EPTLosing players think of it as a fun and pay for it the same as they would bay for footaball matches/cinema/whatever else.
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NeverEndingStory
446 Posts
Losing players think of it as a fun and pay for it the same as they would bay for footaball matches/cinema/whatever else. | ||
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VdP]EpiphaNy
United Kingdom992 Posts
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Clutch3
United States1344 Posts
1. If everyone played poker, there would BE no goods to buy. Society would produce nothing to buy. Playing poker contributes none of the things that people can buy with their earnings. So the ridiculous trickle-down Reaganomics argument that "hey, the money evenetually ends up in the pocket of some hard-working guy" is even more ridiculous in this case. I could use the same argument to argue that I should be made absolute dictator of America and all your money should come to me by executive decision, where I will spend it as I see fit. 2. If you are comparing being a pro poker player to big-money pro sports, I agree that there's a good comparison there. That being said, do you really want to push a lifestyle which is similar to that of pro sports? This reminds of when Tucker Carlson was comparing Crossfire to the Daily Show and Jon Stewart reminded him that one show is supposed to be news and the other is comedy. In particular, do you want to encourage people to take up being a poker player? Would you encourage your kids that the way to go is to devote themselve to being a basketball player to support themselves? 3. If you justify your argument by saying that "well someone else will do it anyway, so it is okay" do you really even deserve to have a say? Apply that same argument to the looters in New Orleans and let me know what the conclusion is. 4. Contrary to what some people think, not everyone can win at poker. As people have mentioned, if a situation really exists now where any "half intelligent" person can win at poker, the inevitable outcome is that better players will flock to this "no-risk investment" until the situation stabilizes. There is no free lunch, people (forgive me for sounding like Ironmentality...) | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
1. If everyone played poker, there would BE no goods to buy. Society would produce nothing to buy. Playing poker contributes none of the things that people can buy with their earnings. How can you say such a thing? If everyone was a firefighter would it be any different? 2. If you are comparing being a pro poker player to big-money pro sports, I agree that there's a good comparison there. That being said, do you really want to push a lifestyle which is similar to that of pro sports? This reminds of when Tucker Carlson was comparing Crossfire to the Daily Show and Jon Stewart reminded him that one show is supposed to be news and the other is comedy. In particular, do you want to encourage people to take up being a poker player? Would you encourage your kids that the way to go is to devote themselve to being a basketball player to support themselves? If they can become really good at it, yes that would be pretty cool. I wouldn't lend my child for a lifetime of trying to become good at something he actually has no future in, as would noone else in their right mind. The difference between poker and other sports mentioned in this topic is that poker is easier to combine with a social life and/or education. You can take years off if you will, come back later and be in the same shape as you were before regardless of age. 3. If you justify your argument by saying that "well someone else will do it anyway, so it is okay" do you really even deserve to have a say? Apply that same argument to the looters in New Orleans and let me know what the conclusion is. I agree with this. | ||
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Codditer
United States70 Posts
Anyways, the way I see it, the Dubaians have a lifestyle not unlike those of professional poker players - sure, you're rich and free to do whatever you want, but what purpose do you have in life, besides making more money or training Arabian racehorses? There needs to be something else that makes you feel useful and happy. Anyone else notice how the happiest players on the WPT seem to be those who have other lives, whether it be as college students, businessmen, or husbands/parents? Surely this is no mistake - there's no way one can identify oneself solely as a "professional poker player" and still feel like a happy, productive, and fulfilled person. That being said, there's nothing wrong with financial security, so your (Rek's) plan of making some more money and then finding a "real" job to do sounds a-ok to me. Freshman year of high school, my history teacher was a retired real-estate businessman with tons of money, and he fulfilled himself by teaching and travelling the world with his wife, among other things. He was one of the most laid-back and contented people that I knew - it seemed as if he had truly found happiness, two decades after making his millions. In any event, may life be so kind to you! P.S. I also hate Scott Fischmann. =] | ||
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LetMeBeWithYou
Canada4254 Posts
On September 02 2005 12:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: How can you say such a thing? If everyone was a firefighter would it be any different? Yes we would be called "firefighters" not "poker players" !!!! Ok I'm sorry | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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AiurZ
United States429 Posts
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Breavman
Sweden598 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
But it just might mean its time to shake things up. Pursue a new hobby, or maybe get into some field of work or charity that youll enjoy. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
There are lots of people who gamble even though they get hurt in the long run finacially, socially and maybe even worse. They know it yet they can't stop because humans are sometimes weak and irrational. Now if you think they get what they deserve, thats fine but don't pretend it's not a problem. It's not fine, it's not what they deserve, and it is a problem. However, are you going to tell the same story to a bartender who serves people alcoholic drinks, because there's people addicted to alcohol? Or the supermarket employee because some fat lady keeps purchasing pizza's? | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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Breavman
Sweden598 Posts
On September 02 2005 12:38 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: It's not fine, it's not what they deserve, and it is a problem. However, are you going to tell the same story to a bartender who serves people alcoholic drinks, because there's people addicted to alcohol? Or the supermarket employee because some fat lady keeps purchasing pizza's? You have a point, I don't mean that poker players are bad people. Just that it is a burden for society. | ||
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
1. Hmnmyea, applies to all "hard working" jobs as well. Would suck if we all were car mechanics or computer programmers or whatever (some people don't qualify the latter as "hard work" either). 2. I wouldn't encourage everyone to do sports for living, but if they'd be set to do it, i wouldn't consider them being evil, immoral or otherwise faulty. 3. I don't think I would use the "everyone else is doing it" argument with poker. I think it's obviously crappy. Of course it can go as a joke "Somebody's getting the money from the fish anyway so why wouldn't it be me", but I don't think this can be used in serious context. 4. I don't think there are many groups of people with average or above IQ that couldn't do well in poker. Of course stupid people can't make it necessarily, but not all people can be scientists, programmers or such anyway so I don't think it makes a valid point. And even for the winning players, it doesn't come "free". People do practice, study etc. to improve their game, it's not like they were born with the talent to be a winning player. Becoming a winning player also requires work... Breavman, sure some people are compulsive gamers with a bad gambling and tilt problem. And like you said already in your post, it's their fault. They got into it, they should be strong enough to suffer the consequences if they prove out to be weak. There are a lot of groups like Gambler's Anonymous that can help with this kinda stuff. Person who belongs to the category you mention, should be willing to seek help. Codditer, you might want to divide your post into paragraphs, just looking at it makes my head ache so I can't read it, sorry. I'm sure it was something very sentimental and sweet! <3 | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
Do what you want, gl with university. Sounds like a pretty interesting thing to do. ... Not as interesting as being a surgeon tho ! In about 6 or 8 years everyone here who needs surgery can get a discount @ me !  I knew you were wise rekrul, although your bad drinking habits kinda disappointed me. | ||
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0x64
Finland4606 Posts
On September 02 2005 13:04 {ToT}Strafe wrote: ive never seen you in such a happy mood muh, you up big? hahah xD What a perfect read! | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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