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On September 02 2005 14:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
what's this argument whether or not poker is needed by society (of course it's not). 99,9% of the jobs we have created in this world aren't needed by society?
It's not a matter of being "needed." It's, "are you contributing something to society, or are you a parasite."
A doctor helps sick people. A carpenter builds. An artist creates. In each of these cases, he adds value to the world by exercising his skills.
Playing poker just moves money from some players to other players. No value is created.
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On September 02 2005 13:32 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
striving for money CAN make you feel happy a long with other things. everybody has something else that makes them happy
Everyone reaches a point where they realize money in and of itself isn't enough to bring happiness. You can try to subdue that feeling with alcohol or drugs or sex, but those who are honest with themselves will admit it and start searching for deeper meaning.
Most people don't reach this point until they are well past the teenage years, though. So it doesn't surprise me that you're not there yet.
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Some thoughts on the topics, some have already been said:
1. Poker vs Sports: Professional athletes are paid with endorsements and salaries. Poker pros aren't except for an elite few with endorsements. You really can't compare the two.
2. Is Pro Poker stealing from rich or poor?: From rich. Anyone whos actually been to a casino and observes who they are up against knows this. One hundred dollar bills are like quarters for a lot of people.
3. Is being a poker pro harming society?: Yes it is. Society is harmed every time a new poker pro comes on the scene, all he's doing is draining money from other players (except better pros). If every other pro except myself suddenly quit poker I would be a lot happier (or at least I would make a lot more money). However, all you have to do is give money to charity and this problem is solved. You're robbing the rich and giving to the poor, thus balancing the gap between the two in a favorable way and helping society. A decent pro giving just a small fraction of his winnings to charity will do more for society than someone who joins red cross or the peace corps.
4. How badly do poker pros harm society?: Practically not at all. There are maybe a few thousands pros in the US, and we couldn't make a dent on any kind of economic chart if we tried. Stock trading, which is similar to poker in that you are strategically moving money around for your own personal benefit, is different. An increase in the number of daytraders in the late nineties helped bring the US into a recession. In theory pro poker is bad, but it just isn't significant enough to cause any real damage, and it might possibly even help the economy if the idea of the "poker pro" encourages more people to play poker which eventually creates more jobs for cities with casinos.
5. Should people drop out of school and become pro poker players?: Please don't. You'll just be taking up seats at my tables that fish could occupy.
6. Is becoming a pro and playing poker 24/7 pathetic? Poker pros don't have to restrict themselves to a schedule like 95% of other professions do. If you're pro all it means is that you play to support yourself. If you're good enough you can afford to play 1 day a month and do something more socially, physically, and intellectually stimulating with the rest of your time. If you wanted to...
7. Can poker really be called a profession? According to most governments the answer is yes, as professional gamblers can receive tax benefits if they register themselves correctly (though I'm not sure of the details and have yet to try this myself). I personally however don't consider it a "job" because its not exactly working. Although its definitely an "occupation" just as a student or homemaker is an occupation.
8. Is pro poker just selfish acquisition of money? Yes it is. Again, you can compensate for this selfishness with contributions to charity if you choose.
Poker is merely a way to make a lot of money in a relatively short amount of time. How you spend that money and how often you play are entirely up to you, and are questions that have little or nothing to do with poker itself.
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I don't really see how Poker is leeching from society or is a bad thing for society, all poker players are in it for the same goal: To make money. If people lose over and over they should find a new hobby/occupation. Ket's (VdP]Epiphany) post summed it all up pretty well.
Also, im sure there are lots of people outside of poker who don't give to charity or who wear some form of brand trainer. Always a downside to everything as Naz said.
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On September 02 2005 14:05 Clutch3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2005 12:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:1. If everyone played poker, there would BE no goods to buy. Society would produce nothing to buy. Playing poker contributes none of the things that people can buy with their earnings. How can you say such a thing? If everyone was a firefighter would it be any different? No, the argument isn't that everyone should or shouldn't have the same occupation. The argument is that society has an obvious need for firefighters. People will pay money for the service that firefighters provide. Poker is a leisure activity. At the very most it can be a money-making activity, but it's NOT really a profession. A profession is something you do that society has a need, and therefore will pay for. In other words, the hot-dog vendor that our hypothetical poker player is patronizing is providing a good or service for sale. But the hot-dog vendor is convinced by one of our fellow TLers to quit and start playing poker, now there's no hot dogs for the first guy to buy. But if the hot-dog vendor goes and becomes a firefighter, he's still providing a service to society. To take it to an extreme case for the purposes of clarity, what if 10% of everyone in the world became poker players? Now we've got 10% fewer cars to buy, so they are more expensive (and less fuel efficient cause 10% of the engineers aren't making better engines). We've got longer response to fires, since there are only 90% as many firefighters. And so on and so on. Now, how is the firefighter different? Well, if 10% of the people applied to be firefighters, only some would get jobs and the rest would be disappointed and would go and do something else. If they all decide to do something that people will pay for, then everything will even out via market forces. The point is that there's a self-regulating market for firefighters, but no "market" for poker players. Poker players contribute nothing to the wealth of the world. The money you make off of poker originally had to come from a profession that actually provided a good or service. Once too many people give those professions up, you've got problems. Obviously it's an extreme number to pick 10%, but I wanted to demonstrate the difference between a poker player and a firefighter. It's the difference between an occupation where you provide something that other people will pay for and one which is a zero-sum game. Going back to the comparison between poker and sports, of course it's fine if some small number of people play poker for a living. But encouraging poker as a mainstream way to make a living is just as bad as encouraging athletics as a mainstream profession. It's clear far too many kids are led to believe that athletics are the way to riches and success. This fact is obvious to anyone who follows NBA and/or college basketball. Encouraging poker as suitable as an occupation for a large group of people (most people here seem to agree that anyone can do it) is just as bad as telling every inner-city American kid who's reasonably athletic that they can become an NBA player, rather than trying to encourage them to get educated in a profession that's more stable and time-tested than "professional gambler". Show nested quote +2. If you are comparing being a pro poker player to big-money pro sports, I agree that there's a good comparison there. That being said, do you really want to push a lifestyle which is similar to that of pro sports? This reminds of when Tucker Carlson was comparing Crossfire to the Daily Show and Jon Stewart reminded him that one show is supposed to be news and the other is comedy. In particular, do you want to encourage people to take up being a poker player? Would you encourage your kids that the way to go is to devote themselve to being a basketball player to support themselves? If they can become really good at it, yes that would be pretty cool. I wouldn't lend my child for a lifetime of trying to become good at something he actually has no future in, as would noone else in their right mind. The difference between poker and other sports mentioned in this topic is that poker is easier to combine with a social life and/or education. You can take years off if you will, come back later and be in the same shape as you were before regardless of age. Yes, I have no problem with people playing poker either as a hobby or as a full-time life. And I think it's good to combine any profession with education and a social life. The problem is when people start to think that it's a given that they can ignore a more traditional life and rely on poker for a livelihood. And, of course, it's not a life for people who want to feel like they are producing something useful for society, because you aren't. Poker players can at the most offer entertainment for people who happen to want to watch them. But that's still not really providing a good or service of any kind. But whether or not your money-making is "societally helpful" is not necessarily important to everyone and so I'm not going to assume anyone agrees with it. Show nested quote +3. If you justify your argument by saying that "well someone else will do it anyway, so it is okay" do you really even deserve to have a say? Apply that same argument to the looters in New Orleans and let me know what the conclusion is. I agree with this. [/QUOTE]
There will a market for poker. If 10% solely plays poker then 5.5% will have to go back to work to bring new money in. The cars wont get more expensive. That reasoning of you is total bullshit.
You say the world has no need for poker players, well we dont have a need for; McDonalds or any fast food company, gokarting, formula1 driving, NFL, NHL, etc..........? All those people working there should quit.
You shouldnt care for people being productive. A fair share of the people will remain to be so. People will always need certain services and those services will always be provided, no matter how many people play poker. The point that you hate the fact that people play poker for fun or hobby doesn't make sense and its probably because you are drilled a certain way by your parents. You should encourage people to not live a traditional life. I mean you should encourage people to actually live all day and not in a 9 to 5 day.
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Playing poker just moves money from some players to other players. No value is created.
entertainment doesn't have value?
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On September 02 2005 14:18 Clutch3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2005 12:48 Muhweli wrote:
To clutch1:
1. Hmnmyea, applies to all "hard working" jobs as well. Would suck if we all were car mechanics or computer programmers or whatever (some people don't qualify the latter as "hard work" either).
2. I wouldn't encourage everyone to do sports for living, but if they'd be set to do it, i wouldn't consider them being evil, immoral or otherwise faulty.
Read my above reply to Nazgul, but I'll summarize. A world can function without poker players. It cannot function without farmers and teachers. And a world without engineers, firefighters, doctors, and so on, is not really worth living in. A world without poker players is like a fish without a bicycle... I can put it another way. Consider a small island with only 7 people: a farmer, a doctor, a mechanic, an engineer, a housebuilder, a teacher, and a poker player. It's obvious that if someone has to die, the most replaceable person is the poker player. But it's also arguable that the poker player is basically leeching off the rest of them and that the society would be stronger without him. You have all the same goods and services but now they are cheaper and better since you need less of them. This is what I meant. At the same time I don't think being a poker player is evil or immoral. I do think that encouraging poker as a way to make a living is bad form because it can convince people to stop doing other more useful things. That's why I posted in this topic. Show nested quote +
Breavman, sure some people are compulsive gamers with a bad gambling and tilt problem. And like you said already in your post, it's their fault. They got into it, they should be strong enough to suffer the consequences if they prove out to be weak. There are a lot of groups like Gambler's Anonymous that can help with this kinda stuff. Person who belongs to the category you mention, should be willing to seek help.
Yes, of course we shouldn't stop people from gambling just because some section of gamblers can't handle it and get addicted. But at the same time we should regulate drugs which are powerful enough to cause addiction, in an attempt to minimize the occurrence of this kind of thing. Just like making people have a prescription for valium can help reduce the number of addicts, I think explaining the risks and "down side" of poker as a living is one way to stop some people who aren't ready from deciding to become a professional gambler. And since TL.net seems to be full of posts from people who are convinced making huge amounts of money off poker is easy for anyone with half a brain, I wanted to provide a counterpoint.
Your story about the island is incorrect. In the situation you provided us, there is no way there will be a poker player. Who the fuck will he play poker with? The farmer? what are they betting for corn? the world as today allows people to play poker. So basicly there is no need for them to do anything else. You wouldnt notice them when they are watching tv all day and accepting welfare. But if they are on ESPN playing poker you go goddamn gambler! Jealous cough
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On September 02 2005 17:09 expostfacto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2005 13:32 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
striving for money CAN make you feel happy a long with other things. everybody has something else that makes them happy Everyone reaches a point where they realize money in and of itself isn't enough to bring happiness. You can try to subdue that feeling with alcohol or drugs or sex, but those who are honest with themselves will admit it and start searching for deeper meaning. Most people don't reach this point until they are well past the teenage years, though. So it doesn't surprise me that you're not there yet.
You are an idiot. Sorry if I offend you, but if you dont want to be offended you should learn to read better. STRIVING for money can make you happy. If you are always trying to get there and have fun in what you do, that can be the essential part of your happynes. If you like to deny that, go ahead, you will probably find this outwhen you are mature enough to admit the truth.
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On September 02 2005 17:04 expostfacto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2005 14:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
what's this argument whether or not poker is needed by society (of course it's not). 99,9% of the jobs we have created in this world aren't needed by society?
It's not a matter of being "needed." It's, "are you contributing something to society, or are you a parasite." A doctor helps sick people. A carpenter builds. An artist creates. In each of these cases, he adds value to the world by exercising his skills. Playing poker just moves money from some players to other players. No value is created.
99,99% is 'duh' not a real figure. 80% would be more likely. I dont need artists, I dont need painters, I dont need carpenters, I dont need docters..........
They create ugly stuff, id still be breathing without them. I can build my own house and then paint it. I just live a little less whitout a doctor. Id die without poker.
I probably dont need to bring up that moviestars, broodwar pro gamers, singers pretty much anything in entertainment are just as useless?
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money = happiness
its not to you?
contact me, and send me the money
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I'm sorry, i dont have enough time reading all the comments :/
Well anyway, i agree with alot of the points rekrul is making.
i mean, how much are pokerplayers contributing to the sociaty?(spelling?)
they arnt doing shit to make the world better. thats the problem with poker.
if everyone was playing poker the world would be a pile of shit, luckaly, everyone isnt, and everyone cant win at it.
at the same time, im a lazy bastard who wouldnt mind making my living at poker, i guess that makes me a hypocrite aswell(spelling again? ;/)
therefore its very hard for me to take a stand at this. since i want to be a rich fuck playing poker, but at the same time i dont want everyone to do it. what would happen if everyone would earn there living through poker? think about it. 
it wouldnt work out.
in other words, poker is nice money, for yourself, but its not good for humanity in general.
sorry for spelling mistakes and other shit, im drunk ;/
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The song is right. You are a slave to money then you die. Might as well get it doing something you enjoy. If you don't enjoy poker anymore, then be a cop. You are in a good position in that you have a huge chunk of money already.
I agree with you that Scott Fischman, Antonio Esfandiari and the like are huge douchers, but I disagree that poker players are that much of a disservice to society. They may not really add too much, but the stealing rich people's money argument is bogus in my opinion. It is a choice to play online poker. In choosing to play online poker you are risking losing your money. If people do not know that going in then they deserve to lose their money.
I am also with you though on trying to help society. Hearing about all these college kids dropping out to play poker professionally is hilarious to me. First of all, I want to hear about all the kids that drop out and go broke. Second of all, why even drop out? I know they figure they have their proffession ahead of them, but seriously, if you have all that money, why not stay? College is a blast, you are only at classes for like 3 hrs. a day, and if you know you want to play poker professionally you could just get Cs in all your classes and get a degree.
For me personally, I am trying to be a teacher or a lawyer (probably should of figured this out by now but what are you gonna do), and poker is just an extremely fun strategic game that can fill in the down time just like BW or any other game (comparable in strategy or mindless i.e. D2). Plus, it is not only the most fun to try and master (imo), it has real life crossover. Not only in making money online, but hell, you can clean up in any college games and any employment games in the future, and can play it pretty much forever.
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good post rek, somewhat sobering
i think poker has it's place in your life, and you shouldn't give it up entirely
i just started playing, partly because I enjoyed home games and partly because I hoped to have a fraction of the success you had experienced.
however, i think that ultimately, poker is a hobby, something to do on top of your current career. otherwise i can see how you can turn into a money-grubbing fiend.
the question is, however, would you be happy living a normal life? like your parents? living in the suburbs, working your ass off for a shitty check, solely for the gain of others?
in a regular nine to five job, unless you are an executive or something along those lines, there are things which you would like to do but due to financial constraints cannot; ie own a summer home, or travel more often than normal. money lets you do these things, it's why we associate money with freedom
i don't know it's all too complicated to think about, there is a balance there
to have gotten as good as you are at poker you must have some love for the game, it would be good for you to continue to play. however, you definitely shouldn't focus all of your energy into it, just make it like a hobby. and if you continue to win, even as little as $300 a week (sounds easy at your stakes, huh?) that's enough money to make a significant difference in your life. then you can enjoy the financial freedom you desire without having to worry about living as a leech
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life aint fair and communism doesnt work because humans arent made for it^^. some guys will always get more $ than they deserve(bill gates), and others less (some guy that works at a supermarket or so)
entertainment has its value =) if a person chooses to play poker and lose on average xx/hour and have fun with it, its his choice. for the same money he could have gone out gokarting or so. considering poker is pretty hyped up lately its obvious that the less talented will give it a try(or more too) and become clueless fishes.
everyone has its personal values of what they rate as important in life. if one can accomplish those by playing poker its okay i guess, its just not my choice^^
the more useful machines are invented, the more stupid/lazy people get. i guess thats where the sudden hype comes from
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In my opinion, i think that after you spend the same amount of time in the career field of your choice as you did with poker you will feel that having this 9-5 job will not make you any more happy. Most people are miserable due to their jobs and have far less freedom than someone making alot of money on poker. I don't really disagree or feel surprised that you've gotten to a point where poker does not make you happy, but I also don't think working for some company will make you happy either. Most jobs where you're doing something "positive" that helps the world out and where you arent working for yourself.... you are a slave to the people which you work for. Your pay depends on what they are paying you, your promotions are decided by if they decide to promote you, and theres pretty much a glass ceiling in terms of success in most of these jobs. I think happiness in life comes from having balance in most other areas of life and that just from a "job/career" perspective poker can provide more benefits contributing to happiness than other jobs. But maybe you actually would be more happy in life to be a teacher and helping out students learnings compared to playing poker.
There are people however who would feel happy just from the money they are making that gives them the financial freedom and extra time to work on other aspects of their life which make them happy. For example, poker players that make alot of money get to work when they chose to and this can lead to spending more time developing your social life and spending time with family which are other things that contribute to happiness. Also, playing poker can give more time for self improvement such as lifting weights.... it also can give you the money to take trips to exotic places with family/friends. I guess what im saying is that the benefits associated with playing poker at the level you were playing it can contribute to happiness in life in ways other than the ethical issues involved, and that a job that helps out society can make you feel good about yourself but is limited in other regards in terms of balancing life. If you however would genuinely be more happy at a 9-5 job then really thats all that matters. If i got to the point where I felt a 9-5 job that helped society is what would make me happy then thats what I would do as well.
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I think the happiness provided solely from a job basis (happiness comes from alot more than your job) is greater in poker (more financial freedom, time to spend with family, working your own hours) than with the happinesss provided by having a job where you feel you are contributing to society. Poker provides time to improve on other things which contribute to happiness in life while the happiness derived from a 9-5 is feeling good about what you do for a living. Also i think feeling happy based solely on what you do for a living would run out after a while... there needs to be balance. Someone happy working at a 9-5 job.... the reason they are happy is likely not because they are an active member of society, its other aspects of their life too... and if they are happy with a 9-5, then they probably can be happy with poker as well, granted all other aspects of their life are the same and the only difference is the moral issues they have with what they do for a living.
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Hey rek, if you're interested in criminalogy and profiling/etc read these two books: Mindhunter and Journey into Darkness. They're both by the same author, one of the world's foremost experts on criminal profiling. I'm kinda intersted in this kinda stuff too. Check these books out.
Both books are pretty macabre, but if you really wanna feel substantial, I think this would be a perfect line of work for you.
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Are basketball players helping society? They "steal" money from rich people (who come to the game). Do they give any real benefit to society? Only entertainment. So if you say that entertainment has no value or that stealing money from people who know they are putting it at risk is wrong, and does not help society, basketball players are evil too.
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On September 02 2005 02:32 Rekrul wrote:I really had hoped I could convey more of my thoughts than this but it's all I got without writing a book that gets all deep and philosophical, but take it for what it's worth pleaseCause it's a bittersweet symphony, that's life. Tryin to make ends meet you're a slave to money and then you die. Between 20 and 3 years ago I was a very humble (don't let my old rampages on tl.net fool you), modest, generous, and philosophical person. From birth my parents raised me to be compassionate for my fellow man and always keep perspective of what really matters in life. They didn't specifically teach me things by sitting me down and talking to me but things like my dad coming home from a day of hard work in a shitty Honda worth about 50$ with a huge smile on his face asking me if I wanted to play catch conveyed those things to me. When I was a little boy I wanted to be a police officer...I ran around the house with various kinds of guns sometimes pretending to be Rambo or whoever was needed to save the day from the imaginary bad guys. Well guess what: If you're a professional poker player you're that bad guy. Anyways, that genuine person was buried under a pile of money. I went to Korea and through a series of events you all already know I got rich quick. For a while year I did not once bother to think about life, philosophy, and all the things I did on an hourly basis the previous 19 years of my life. I was a drunken party animal every night buzzed up and on the hunt. It was the first time I had ever experienced such pleasurable things on a daily basis without sacrifice. None of my childhood dreams of being a police officer were at any point emitting any pleasurable aroma for my soul to sniff. The only thing I had was that wallet with two grand in it at all times emitting the noxious yet irresistible scent of freedom and fun. But was I really free? I was talking last night with a friend, Daniel Lykins aka ilnp, and he made a very interesting point. "Poker money equals freedom. Yet it's just too much freedom. Almost everyone I know who is successful at poker is dangling in neutrality or worse off because they can't handle that freedom. Only a very very select few out of successful poker players are mature enough to handle all the immaturity that being a poker pro allows." He's very right. Sure you're a poker god and you drive a corvette and have a huge house. Your life is only about one thing. Material possession. Does that make you happy? If you really think so then keep going as a poker pro I guess. But lets do a little math: Roughly 20% of people who play poker are winning players I'm guessing. Out of that 20% Roughly 10% can handle it and truly enjoy ever moment of their life at the same time. 2%, 1 out of 50, 40% of your chances to hit a backdoor runner runner flush draw. Do you like your odds? All the thoughts that I'm trying and convey in this article were instantly triggered a little while ago as I sat and watched a WSOP (World Series of Poker) episode that I downloaded onto my computer. I was watching and instantly hated Scott Fischmann. This guy is a very young and successful poker player who is now doing very well in the poker world. Like the very first hand he was already talking in third person, that short little frumpy fuck who plays cards is sitting there saying "Scott Fischmann is about to fold the best hand. Scott Fischmann has the best hand," as if he is something. Sure, maybe he's a nice guy but this just pissed me off. Then they did a little interlude segment for him where he talks about bankroll management and that he didn't finish college (I think) because he decided to pursue a career in poker. Thats when stuff started jumbling around in my brain. I was confused. I sat there watching, half naked in my 1800$/month apartment thinking..."Do I see myself in Vegas at that final table? Would I enjoy that? Do I want to be on ESPN telling the world how cool of a 'poker pro' I am?" For the last year of my life money really did make me happy. But now I'm burnt out and let me tell you now I find people who take great satisfaction and pride in having a bulging wallet and a monstrous bank account quite pathetic. Money cannot make me happy. Do I really want to be a poker pro? No, I do not. All this money even corrupted me to a point where I was actually considering a career in business to maximize the money I could possibly make off poker through investments and such. I am literally laughing out loud as I think about how much of a fool I was not so long ago. Most people struggle really hard all their life to get by...yet when I walk by the Subway Sanwhich place near my house and see the 35-ish year old scrubby couple working there every day for atleast 12 hours and we exchange waves I see a truly genuine smile on their faces that can seriously warm the heart. They work so hard, they have no freedom because of financial issues yet they are truly happy. Happiness equals freedom. Not money. Is the business man who works 10+ hours a day making phone calls non-stop, writing up business plans, and meeting people that don't really give a shit about him a free soul? Well I guess if he enjoys what all that gives him (the ability to go to the most expensive hooker at night and the feeling of being someone known and important) then I cannot slander his lifestyle. But lets face it...odds are he probably does not truly enjoy that. I suppose I'm trying to act like I have been enlightened but I'm still just an animal who has certain values. But my values are much different from most poker pros. They value money and intellectual domination of their fellow man. I value four things with the fourth being the most important: 1. Intellectual domination - Lets face it I enjoy being superior in strategy, mathematic, and intuition based games and things. 2. Bodily Domination - This I have just recently started but I want to get in great shape and take a little bit of martial arts. 3. Ability Domination - Having the experience and knowledge to take advantage of certain things and certain situations where I would normally be clueless. 4. Never ever using any of those three things to harm anyone financially or physically or emotionally but only to benefit my friends, myself, and any average random joe who is in dire need of help. Poker only satisifes one of those four things...the intellectual angle...but even there it only satisfies the gaming angle. So it satisfies like 30% of the intellectual angle, and 0% of everything else. So thats like 30% of one divided by the four others (I'm trying to be funny and serious at the same time help) is 7.5% of what I want to be. Odds are being a poker pro will make me into seven point five percent of what I want to be and do. Thats pretty bad EV. All this being said I am going to change my life. I will have to be a hypocrite and maintain my current poker playing status for another year maybe in order to finance my life with ease (wow i'm a hypocrite!) but after that I'm done for good from a professional standpoint. But I might play for fun in college games once I get back to university. I'm pretty sure that I want to go back and fulfill my childhood dream. I shall study psychology or criminal justice, maybe combined and pursue a career from that angle. Maybe a cop? Maybe FBI? Maybe CIA? Who knows but I know I love that shit. Helping people makes me happy. And you all know banning people makes me happy (or does it!?!?!). But for the next year I shall workout, study Korean rigorously, and save money to prepare myself. I guess I'll have a little fun too...I'm only 20 afterall. I still stand by all my points in my other articles. You don't have to go to college. You can do anything with your life just have fun and make sure you are happy in every moment and don't harm other people. If you play poker and you're losing you won't be happy. If you play poker and you're winning sure you'll be happy but you are harming other people. I used to think 'sure, it's their choice if they want to gamble I'm giving them fun!' but now I totally disagree with that. Even if that person is rich as hell and you're not harming him you are not benefiting society in any way you are just using it's goods for your pleasure. Owning rich people in poker and getting rich your self to me is the exact equivalent to some some spoiled brat living off his parents his whole life with no job. He is a waste of space. I'll go ahead and apologize to all the people I will take money from in my next year of poker playing but rest assured I will put it to good use in the future  . In summary: Winning at poker will not give you true freedom. Stop acting like you're cool wearing sunglasses indoors and get a job you fat fucks. Thank you for reading, Rekrul Your an idiot. First you go to korea to become a progamer and you fail. Then you come on this forum and write a fat bitch fest about how its crap and you shouldnt bother to try it because you dont get paid well or whatever... Then you try to become a pro poker player and your still bitching about how thats a shit career path aswell. What the fuck man? Asif you didnt already know dedicating your life to poker or a stupid game that was made like 10 years ago was a fucking stupid career path. What annoys me the most is when you said and i quote "Stop acting like you're cool wearing sunglasses indoors and get a job you fat fucks." <--- This apply's to you the most you wanker, asif you even think about directing it towards other people when your the loser whos been trying to make it big playing poker, or playinng starcraft 20+ a day? You are just another hipocrite who thinks hes better than the rest well guess what, your not.
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