• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:44
CEST 05:44
KST 12:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris34Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195
StarCraft 2
General
A Eulogy for the Six Pool BoxeR's Wings Episode 2 - Fan Translation Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away
Tourneys
$5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below
Brood War
General
Post ASL20 Ro24 discussion. BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ No Rain in ASL20? How do I speak directly to Coinbase?1-(888)-419-97 Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro24 Group F [IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined! [ASL20] Ro24 Group D [ASL20] Ro24 Group E
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The year 2050 European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2301 users

Bittersweet Symphony - Page 7

Forum Index > Articles
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 11 Next All
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
September 02 2005 14:20 GMT
#121
Well, all I know is, I want rekrul to be godfather of my children.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 02 2005 14:25 GMT
#122
On September 02 2005 17:04 expostfacto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2005 14:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
what's this argument whether or not poker is needed by society (of course it's not). 99,9% of the jobs we have created in this world aren't needed by society?



It's not a matter of being "needed." It's, "are you contributing something to society, or are you a parasite."

A doctor helps sick people. A carpenter builds. An artist creates. In each of these cases, he adds value to the world by exercising his skills.

Playing poker just moves money from some players to other players. No value is created.


it is if you make it an enjoyable environment for the people who are there to have fun.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 02 2005 14:30 GMT
#123
since when is money and how you obtain that money a valid summary of you as a person
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 02 2005 14:44 GMT
#124
I'm going make a career out of scamming people and donate everything to charity.

Either that or I'll become a scrooge of a heart surgeon
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Dirk
Profile Joined May 2003
United States1339 Posts
September 02 2005 15:05 GMT
#125
how is 99.9% of the jobs in the world not needed by society, nazgul?
you don't need firefighters? let the houses burn down?
you don't need police officers? allow criminals to run free?
you don't need doctors? let people get sick and die?
you don't need researchers? let technology never improve and no new knowledge be gained?
you don't need teachers? fuck education?
i could go on and on... btw jobs that are not really "necessary" like... clothing designers are present because there is a demand and a market for that particular job; i don't know if that's the same for poker, but i'm sure there are a whole lot of people that want to play poker

you don't need entertainers? (poker players fall into this category for the most part) let people get bored to death and go crazy? Imagine a world with no forms of entertainment whatsoever. How would you like it if there were no more movies or artists out there in the world because they felt that "providing entertainment" was not as important as saving lives. Entertainment is a big part of some peoples happiness in lives as it helps to relieve strses and enjoy their free time.... contributing to their overall well being.

Take away peoples forms of entertainment and I think this is having a negative effect on society, yes? People who are gambling for entertainment are doing it because they CHOSE to... and the fact that some players actually win during this form of entertainment doesnt change the fact that people are doing it because they want to. Would a more "fair" way to play poker be for just everyone to lose the same amount of money and let the poker sites rake it all up? Part of the entertainment from people comes from the competition and taking out the win/loss this is in essence taking out the entertainment. Who would have fun playing poker by just dealing out the cards and there being no exchange of money? Even if some people would, more entertainment comes from the gambling aspect.
Dont confuse me wit these suckas... cuz when I spit, you here more OOOs than a skip to my lou move.. at the ruckers - Lloyd Banks
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 15:13:08
September 02 2005 15:10 GMT
#126
just for future reference big-time tournament poker is not the same as mid-highstakes cash games on the internet

in regards to giving back to the community with entertainment i mean
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
XG3
Profile Joined December 2002
United States544 Posts
September 02 2005 15:44 GMT
#127
A month ago or so I was having lunch with Tom, Sarah, and Tony and was wondering what the fuck Rekrul had been up to all of this time, and they told me what you were doing and how much $$$ you were raking in, and felt kind of proud for you, but I knew that wouldn't be the direction you would ultimately end up in.

Your gift, I think, is how introspective and self critical you are. You're lucky to be intelligent and mature enough to handle whatever situation you find yourself in, because you know you won't end up like those who are not.

Personally I have the greatest respect for those that know what they want to do, and they go for it. Even if it's being a poker pro, which is obviously a goal you've already achieved. I think the most important thing in general is do whatever makes you happy and fulfilled, fulfilled being the key word. I dropped out of school to pursue that as well, but I plan on finishing it sometime in the upcoming years.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
September 02 2005 17:59 GMT
#128
Buka. Let's change this topic to be about Brood War pro-gamers, they're such leeches to the society, getting paid for playing some dumb game, shouldn't they give all their schmuck to charity? That'd balance it out.

(Awaiting to hear that "but they don't make as much money" comment)
River me timbers.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 02 2005 18:04 GMT
#129
Muhweli, you're an idiot if you think you just made a point.
why so 진지해?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 18:18:27
September 02 2005 18:16 GMT
#130
Rekrul, how much money are you making playing poker? I'm not a poker player, I don't know the potential for monetary gain... could you really make a consistent living by playing poker online?!

EDIT: When I hear people talk about how much they've won online, I usually assume it's with fake money... Sorry for being ignorant, I'm actually quite curious about how lucrative poker could be. How much time do you spend on it daily, and how much do you usually walk away with?
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 02 2005 18:21 GMT
#131
this year i probably averaged 3-4 hours of play per day with an average salary 2-2.5x better than a lawyer ... how much do they make? 100$ / hour?
why so 진지해?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
September 02 2005 18:26 GMT
#132
I'm totally stunned by your response.... making at least $600 in a day is typical for you?

Are there just a bunch of suckers out there throwing money at you, or is the competition fierce? This is easy money (for you)??
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
September 02 2005 18:31 GMT
#133
On September 02 2005 23:15 Rekrul wrote:
You're*






you're*


a moron... plz dont ban me :D
Im back, in pog form!
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 18:35:30
September 02 2005 18:34 GMT
#134
On September 03 2005 03:26 HeadBangaa wrote:
I'm totally stunned by your response.... making at least $600 in a day is typical for you?

Are there just a bunch of suckers out there throwing money at you, or is the competition fierce? This is easy money (for you)??


hmm competition is fierce but i have reached a point where i own them. there are some horrible horrible players but not often. and there were many many days where i didnt play, but yeah on average 600 a day sounds about right, prolly 220-230 on the year due to 4 super hot months (down 20 this month so it was like 250)
why so 진지해?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 18:48:39
September 02 2005 18:47 GMT
#135
Wow, just... wow. It makes me want to trade in my C++ books for a "Poker for Dummies" book.

Contributing to your original post, it's refreshing to see someone like you trying to ground yourself. Of course, when someone is so successful at such a young age, it seems like they might be ungrateful and can't appreciate the character that a hard-earned life builds. Like, I think I know exactly how you felt watching "Scott" of the WSOP being made out to be some sort of prodigy.

Anyways, money versus happiness? I think as long as you keep money in perspective, it won't negatively affect you. Just remember that money is a means to an end, not vice versa. You could use your poker skills to financially support a career in something you'd actually love. That's the kind of freedom your friend was probably talking about, and I think that's great advice. You're on the right path to avoid managing your finances as a career!
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
September 02 2005 18:52 GMT
#136
Did you know that Phil Gordon and some other poker pros have put up a charity program called "Put a bad beat on cancer" and they donate like 1% of everything they make at poker for helping cure cancer?

Just to point out all players aren't evil. And before you say "duh it's just one % duh", it can easily be thousands or tens of thousands of dollars per big tournament sooo.... probably more than the nickle you tossed in to the red cross.
River me timbers.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 02 2005 18:58 GMT
#137
The people themselves are not automatically horrible people. No one ever said that so I don't see why you're trying to make such a statement. What they do with their money is irrelevant for the discussion that this has turned into. The point is there is a fundamental flaw in the way that many people attain money, but for the sake of the topic there is a huge ethical flaw in the way poker players attain their money.
why so 진지해?
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
September 02 2005 18:59 GMT
#138
On September 03 2005 03:21 Rekrul wrote:
this year i probably averaged 3-4 hours of play per day with an average salary 2-2.5x better than a lawyer ... how much do they make? 100$ / hour?


Reputable lawers in major cities can easily charge you 1000 dollars an hour or more.

Reputable doctors will charge you anywhere from 500 - 1000 dollars per visit in private practice, and some of these visits are barely 15 minutes.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 02 2005 19:02 GMT
#139
On September 03 2005 03:59 Gandalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2005 03:21 Rekrul wrote:
this year i probably averaged 3-4 hours of play per day with an average salary 2-2.5x better than a lawyer ... how much do they make? 100$ / hour?


Reputable lawers in major cities can easily charge you 1000 dollars an hour or more.

Reputable doctors will charge you anywhere from 500 - 1000 dollars per visit in private practice, and some of these visits are barely 15 minutes.


What about unreputable ones
why so 진지해?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
September 02 2005 19:11 GMT
#140
To understand the ethical flaw you mention: the law that someone must lose for another to win? Like, for every notch you go up, someone else must go down? And you find it unethical to use your inherent abilities to almost always be the one going up, thus forcing others down?

Is that the flaw you're talking about? Do you feel guilty when you pwn n00bz at poker?
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 11 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
SEL S2 Championship: Ro16
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 160
RuFF_SC2 131
ProTech101
StarCraft: Brood War
NaDa 76
Aegong 57
Icarus 13
Dota 2
monkeys_forever605
NeuroSwarm70
League of Legends
JimRising 684
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K345
Other Games
summit1g9444
shahzam1050
C9.Mang0433
WinterStarcraft393
ViBE115
Hui .92
Mew2King45
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL2496
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo858
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
7h 16m
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Cure vs Rogue
Classic vs HeRoMaRinE
Cosmonarchy
12h 16m
OyAji vs Sziky
Sziky vs WolFix
WolFix vs OyAji
Big Brain Bouts
12h 16m
Iba vs GgMaChine
TriGGeR vs Bunny
Reynor vs Classic
Serral vs Clem
BSL Team Wars
15h 16m
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
15h 16m
Team Hawk vs Team Bonyth
Code For Giants Cup
18h 46m
SC Evo League
1d 8h
TaeJa vs Cure
Rogue vs threepoint
ByuN vs Creator
MaNa vs Classic
Maestros of the Game
1d 12h
ShoWTimE vs Cham
GuMiho vs Ryung
Zoun vs Spirit
Rogue vs MaNa
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 14h
SC Evo League
2 days
[ Show More ]
Maestros of the Game
2 days
SHIN vs Creator
Astrea vs Lambo
Bunny vs SKillous
HeRoMaRinE vs TriGGeR
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Dewalt vs Team Sziky
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Summer 2025
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.