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rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
September 02 2005 14:20 GMT
#121
Well, all I know is, I want rekrul to be godfather of my children.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 02 2005 14:25 GMT
#122
On September 02 2005 17:04 expostfacto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2005 14:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
what's this argument whether or not poker is needed by society (of course it's not). 99,9% of the jobs we have created in this world aren't needed by society?



It's not a matter of being "needed." It's, "are you contributing something to society, or are you a parasite."

A doctor helps sick people. A carpenter builds. An artist creates. In each of these cases, he adds value to the world by exercising his skills.

Playing poker just moves money from some players to other players. No value is created.


it is if you make it an enjoyable environment for the people who are there to have fun.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 02 2005 14:30 GMT
#123
since when is money and how you obtain that money a valid summary of you as a person
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 02 2005 14:44 GMT
#124
I'm going make a career out of scamming people and donate everything to charity.

Either that or I'll become a scrooge of a heart surgeon
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Dirk
Profile Joined May 2003
United States1339 Posts
September 02 2005 15:05 GMT
#125
how is 99.9% of the jobs in the world not needed by society, nazgul?
you don't need firefighters? let the houses burn down?
you don't need police officers? allow criminals to run free?
you don't need doctors? let people get sick and die?
you don't need researchers? let technology never improve and no new knowledge be gained?
you don't need teachers? fuck education?
i could go on and on... btw jobs that are not really "necessary" like... clothing designers are present because there is a demand and a market for that particular job; i don't know if that's the same for poker, but i'm sure there are a whole lot of people that want to play poker

you don't need entertainers? (poker players fall into this category for the most part) let people get bored to death and go crazy? Imagine a world with no forms of entertainment whatsoever. How would you like it if there were no more movies or artists out there in the world because they felt that "providing entertainment" was not as important as saving lives. Entertainment is a big part of some peoples happiness in lives as it helps to relieve strses and enjoy their free time.... contributing to their overall well being.

Take away peoples forms of entertainment and I think this is having a negative effect on society, yes? People who are gambling for entertainment are doing it because they CHOSE to... and the fact that some players actually win during this form of entertainment doesnt change the fact that people are doing it because they want to. Would a more "fair" way to play poker be for just everyone to lose the same amount of money and let the poker sites rake it all up? Part of the entertainment from people comes from the competition and taking out the win/loss this is in essence taking out the entertainment. Who would have fun playing poker by just dealing out the cards and there being no exchange of money? Even if some people would, more entertainment comes from the gambling aspect.
Dont confuse me wit these suckas... cuz when I spit, you here more OOOs than a skip to my lou move.. at the ruckers - Lloyd Banks
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 15:13:08
September 02 2005 15:10 GMT
#126
just for future reference big-time tournament poker is not the same as mid-highstakes cash games on the internet

in regards to giving back to the community with entertainment i mean
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
XG3
Profile Joined December 2002
United States544 Posts
September 02 2005 15:44 GMT
#127
A month ago or so I was having lunch with Tom, Sarah, and Tony and was wondering what the fuck Rekrul had been up to all of this time, and they told me what you were doing and how much $$$ you were raking in, and felt kind of proud for you, but I knew that wouldn't be the direction you would ultimately end up in.

Your gift, I think, is how introspective and self critical you are. You're lucky to be intelligent and mature enough to handle whatever situation you find yourself in, because you know you won't end up like those who are not.

Personally I have the greatest respect for those that know what they want to do, and they go for it. Even if it's being a poker pro, which is obviously a goal you've already achieved. I think the most important thing in general is do whatever makes you happy and fulfilled, fulfilled being the key word. I dropped out of school to pursue that as well, but I plan on finishing it sometime in the upcoming years.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
September 02 2005 17:59 GMT
#128
Buka. Let's change this topic to be about Brood War pro-gamers, they're such leeches to the society, getting paid for playing some dumb game, shouldn't they give all their schmuck to charity? That'd balance it out.

(Awaiting to hear that "but they don't make as much money" comment)
River me timbers.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 02 2005 18:04 GMT
#129
Muhweli, you're an idiot if you think you just made a point.
why so 진지해?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 18:18:27
September 02 2005 18:16 GMT
#130
Rekrul, how much money are you making playing poker? I'm not a poker player, I don't know the potential for monetary gain... could you really make a consistent living by playing poker online?!

EDIT: When I hear people talk about how much they've won online, I usually assume it's with fake money... Sorry for being ignorant, I'm actually quite curious about how lucrative poker could be. How much time do you spend on it daily, and how much do you usually walk away with?
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 02 2005 18:21 GMT
#131
this year i probably averaged 3-4 hours of play per day with an average salary 2-2.5x better than a lawyer ... how much do they make? 100$ / hour?
why so 진지해?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
September 02 2005 18:26 GMT
#132
I'm totally stunned by your response.... making at least $600 in a day is typical for you?

Are there just a bunch of suckers out there throwing money at you, or is the competition fierce? This is easy money (for you)??
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10607 Posts
September 02 2005 18:31 GMT
#133
On September 02 2005 23:15 Rekrul wrote:
You're*






you're*


a moron... plz dont ban me :D
Im back, in pog form!
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 18:35:30
September 02 2005 18:34 GMT
#134
On September 03 2005 03:26 HeadBangaa wrote:
I'm totally stunned by your response.... making at least $600 in a day is typical for you?

Are there just a bunch of suckers out there throwing money at you, or is the competition fierce? This is easy money (for you)??


hmm competition is fierce but i have reached a point where i own them. there are some horrible horrible players but not often. and there were many many days where i didnt play, but yeah on average 600 a day sounds about right, prolly 220-230 on the year due to 4 super hot months (down 20 this month so it was like 250)
why so 진지해?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 18:48:39
September 02 2005 18:47 GMT
#135
Wow, just... wow. It makes me want to trade in my C++ books for a "Poker for Dummies" book.

Contributing to your original post, it's refreshing to see someone like you trying to ground yourself. Of course, when someone is so successful at such a young age, it seems like they might be ungrateful and can't appreciate the character that a hard-earned life builds. Like, I think I know exactly how you felt watching "Scott" of the WSOP being made out to be some sort of prodigy.

Anyways, money versus happiness? I think as long as you keep money in perspective, it won't negatively affect you. Just remember that money is a means to an end, not vice versa. You could use your poker skills to financially support a career in something you'd actually love. That's the kind of freedom your friend was probably talking about, and I think that's great advice. You're on the right path to avoid managing your finances as a career!
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
September 02 2005 18:52 GMT
#136
Did you know that Phil Gordon and some other poker pros have put up a charity program called "Put a bad beat on cancer" and they donate like 1% of everything they make at poker for helping cure cancer?

Just to point out all players aren't evil. And before you say "duh it's just one % duh", it can easily be thousands or tens of thousands of dollars per big tournament sooo.... probably more than the nickle you tossed in to the red cross.
River me timbers.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 02 2005 18:58 GMT
#137
The people themselves are not automatically horrible people. No one ever said that so I don't see why you're trying to make such a statement. What they do with their money is irrelevant for the discussion that this has turned into. The point is there is a fundamental flaw in the way that many people attain money, but for the sake of the topic there is a huge ethical flaw in the way poker players attain their money.
why so 진지해?
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
September 02 2005 18:59 GMT
#138
On September 03 2005 03:21 Rekrul wrote:
this year i probably averaged 3-4 hours of play per day with an average salary 2-2.5x better than a lawyer ... how much do they make? 100$ / hour?


Reputable lawers in major cities can easily charge you 1000 dollars an hour or more.

Reputable doctors will charge you anywhere from 500 - 1000 dollars per visit in private practice, and some of these visits are barely 15 minutes.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 02 2005 19:02 GMT
#139
On September 03 2005 03:59 Gandalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2005 03:21 Rekrul wrote:
this year i probably averaged 3-4 hours of play per day with an average salary 2-2.5x better than a lawyer ... how much do they make? 100$ / hour?


Reputable lawers in major cities can easily charge you 1000 dollars an hour or more.

Reputable doctors will charge you anywhere from 500 - 1000 dollars per visit in private practice, and some of these visits are barely 15 minutes.


What about unreputable ones
why so 진지해?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
September 02 2005 19:11 GMT
#140
To understand the ethical flaw you mention: the law that someone must lose for another to win? Like, for every notch you go up, someone else must go down? And you find it unethical to use your inherent abilities to almost always be the one going up, thus forcing others down?

Is that the flaw you're talking about? Do you feel guilty when you pwn n00bz at poker?
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
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