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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
September 03 2005 02:09 GMT
#161
Overall though, I think greed is a myth

People don't want money, they want so spend money.

They do this because they want respectability.

Everyone purchases some things with their aim on looking good or whatever. Also half the population purchases a beer every now and then, that doesn't mean 'people spend money because they want alcohol'. There's so much more to consumer behavior than this simplistic statement.
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 03 2005 02:14 GMT
#162
On September 03 2005 11:09 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
I prefer to drive a nice car, because I think it looks cool. Sure I rather have that other people think it looks nice too(my friends for example) but if they dont thats fine too. I dont buy it for respect but for myself. Actually I try to drive a nice car as possible so that people dont think im a dork in a hyundai and that hyundai sucks but whatever im getting drunk too!


You consciously think you are buying it for yourself, but at the end of the day as the sun is going down and you're cruising through the streets on after a hot summer day just relaxing and you pass two hotties who smile at you and feel good about it look up tl.net on your twenty thousand dollar car internet screen and re-read his post and you'll comprehend the general point he's getting across. I promise you and nazgul if he devoted more time into writing what he wrote it would make much more sense and you guys would not be able to nit-pick his post as you are.

Damn I'm smart when I'm drunk.
why so 진지해?
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
September 03 2005 03:31 GMT
#163
and you dont make any sense !
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 03 2005 03:34 GMT
#164
after 3 more glasses of beer i have sobered up and re-read my post and it completely makes sense : [
why so 진지해?
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
September 03 2005 03:37 GMT
#165
doesnt make any sense to me! but I stopped reading halfway
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 03 2005 03:51 GMT
#166
i'll read this math problem

x+3=5+.....

there is no answer its a fucking bullshit problem i stopped trying to read the problem after the + sign
why so 진지해?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 03 2005 03:55 GMT
#167
On September 03 2005 12:51 Rekrul wrote:
i'll read this math problem

x+3=5+.....

there is no answer its a fucking bullshit problem i stopped trying to read the problem after the + sign


i have the answer


x = .....
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 03 2005 03:59 GMT
#168
On September 03 2005 12:55 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2005 12:51 Rekrul wrote:
i'll read this math problem

x+3=5+.....

there is no answer its a fucking bullshit problem i stopped trying to read the problem after the + sign


i have the answer


x = .....


actually with your logic it would be x=2+.......

fucking retard
why so 진지해?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 03 2005 04:01 GMT
#169
lol
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-03 07:05:16
September 03 2005 06:40 GMT
#170
99.99 percent comment was funny. Naz your comment would be true if it was 14th century since most of the jobs that exist today wouldn't have existed. The requirements to maintain a basic standard of the living change over time.. I.e is does the car sales person meet today's criteria of needs? most definitely. A car is not a want it's a 'need'. How many people would go by without a car? A person who helps you guide and buy the car according to your needs? It's a need. Sure you could survive without them, but doesn't mean they're not needed.
An insurance worker is a 'need' by today's standard of living. Imagine a world without insurance.
Again, sure you can survive very well without it, but does that mean it's not needed?
Your statement would be true if people would be happy to just go by with breathing fresh air, eat fruits off the trees and shit/urinate on grasses.
An advertising person? you may argue that person is not needed and society can go on very well without em. Imagine globally succesful car company fails to promote its new product and goes bankrupt. it's 80,000 employees would be left without a job.
The jobs today were created in accordance with the implementation of technology, democratic society and increasement of population etc, in other words, evolution of the society. If evolution not a necessity?
I usually ignore strafe's comment but your comment saying you could breathe without doctors is just ridiculous, while this is true, how would you cure if you get chicken pox?

However, there are few things that does not change at the speed of the evolution of societies. Principles.
Though Gambling has existed for thousands of years unlike other activities, it has never been cherished/appreiated by society. It was often regarded criminal activity throughout the history. Today, it is still regarded as criminal activity in many societies or often regarded as addiction. (Gambling in Korea is illegal in many cases unless you're a foreigner - excluding things like horserace)

Anyway long story cut short, I was just disagreeing with naz's comment.
I don't agree with rek on many occasions in this particular thread it's somewhat paradoxical but I can see where he's coming from and I admire his ethics. It would be better to have a perception like his so at least people use easy money to a good use.



1tym is one time for your mind
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 03 2005 06:57 GMT
#171
Queens and Nines
Rekrul: true
Rekrul: lol
Rekrul: anyawys fossil i saw ur interviews and u seem like a very level headed guy
Dealer: bballew22 has a straight, Seven to Jack
Rekrul: i'd like ur input since u have accomplishments
Dealer: Game #2489456317: bballew22 wins pot ($727) with a straight, Seven to Jack
FossilMan: ty; just glanced through your post
FossilMan: as long as you're happy, that is the biggest thing
Dealer: Game #2489462739: bballew22 wins pot ($20)
Rekrul: ya
FossilMan: but why "get it", and then taunt us here online?
Rekrul: like i said
Rekrul: poker drastically changed my life, i am in a certain place with certain responsibilities
Dealer: Game #2489465967: x_Pack_x wins pot ($187)
Rekrul: sure i could throw it all away and change my life and quit poker
Administrator: $380 EPT Baden Qualifier starts in 9 minutes. 1 Seat Guaranteed. To register see T11764851 under the Events/EPT/Cash Satellites tab.
FossilMan: just because the money made you materialistic, and because many are, you shouldn't assume any one of us has that issue
Rekrul: but i'm too selfish to do that for now, so i will continue playing for a year
Rekrul: i taunt you only because im drunk
Rekrul: lol
Rekrul: indeed you are correct
Dealer: Game #2489470785: Rekrul wins pot ($50)
FossilMan: just because something is true for you, doesn't mean it has any relevance to the next guy
Rekrul: but the general trend i see in poker players that is the case
Rekrul: you see it differently?
FossilMan: I see each person for who they are, or at least I try
FossilMan: generalizations are irrelevant when you're dealing with one person
Dealer: Mr.Matrix007 has two pair, Queens and Jacks
FossilMan: gotta do something, brb
Rekrul: very true but then again you also need to consider a general view of society and what is good and bad for it, though that discussion is far too deep and philosophical so lets not
Dealer: Game #2489475180: Mr.Matrix007 wins pot ($77) with two pair, Queens and Jacks
xxTHEJOKERxx: the most important and indisputable point is: scott fischman is a tool
Rekrul: JOKER I AGREE
Rekrul: such a tool
Rekrul: omg
xxTHEJOKERxx: lol
Dealer: Game #2489483171: Mr.Matrix007 wins pot ($67)
Rekrul: i can see that ****er in a club
Rekrul: drunk as hell
Rekrul: telling some hooker he's a poker pro
Rekrul: and feeling good about himself
xxTHEJOKERxx: lol
Rekrul: **** that makes me angry wheni'm drunk
Rekrul: when im sober id ont rly care
Rekrul: lol

i played poker drunk tonight, i talked to raymer WOW I AM COOL, i also lost my chat for life (4th time chat banned 1 week 1 month 6 months now life t.t)

it all seems immature but if u heard what they said it was funny

25242245 Rekrul yo ufcking dutch scumbag 2 9/3/2005 4:06:40 PM
25242245 Rekrul a fucking 2 9/3/2005 4:07:26 PM
25242245 Rekrul homo 2 9/3/2005 4:07:26 PM
25242245 Rekrul h o m O 2 9/3/2005 4:07:30 PM
25242245 Rekrul h O m O ! ! ! !~ @! ~~ 2 9/3/2005 4:07:36 PM
25242245 Rekrul my fucking c O ck is the big essnese 2 9/3/2005 4:08:01
PM
25242245 Rekrul IM BACK BITCHES 2 9/3/2005 4:08:25 PM
25242245 Rekrul fucking Lee Jones 2 9/3/2005 4:09:01 PM
25242245 Rekrul mucvk bitch 2 9/3/2005 4:12:07 PM
25242245 Rekrul scott fischmann is a fucking geek faggot 2 9/3/2005
4:16:05
PM
25242245 Rekrul u ugly no good son of a bitch 2 9/3/2005 4:16:46 PM
25242245 Rekrul suck it 2 9/3/2005 4:21:29 PM
25242245 Rekrul you fucking clown 2 9/3/2005 4:22:37 PM
25242245 Rekrul you fucking Jack Five shi t fish 2 9/3/2005 4:27:31 PM
25242245 Rekrul chiefs ur a hom0 2 9/3/2005 4:33:31 PM
25242245 Rekrul u had a pair of tiny balls

We have received a complaint regarding your use of inappropriate
language at our tables. After reviewing the chat log (see below),
and based on your prior warnings and/or revocations, it was
decided to permanently remove your chat privileges. Your language
was highly offensive and completely unacceptable.





why so 진지해?
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
September 03 2005 07:09 GMT
#172
HAHAHA ROFL
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 03 2005 07:17 GMT
#173
i read to here:

" A car is not a want it's a 'need'."

then realized reading any further was a waste of time
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
September 03 2005 07:27 GMT
#174
On September 03 2005 15:40 1tym wrote:
.....


NO
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
September 03 2005 07:38 GMT
#175
Geez Rekrul, you're sooooo highly offensive and completely unacceptable. Saying stuff like "balls" or "shit" or "homo" in a chatroom.

Half of those comments were obvious jokes too, that sucks :D, notice how you can not actually get banned, just your chat removed because if they did ban you then you couldn't make those pathetic losers a real tiny little amount of extra money anymore !

tssk ... "u had a pair of tiny balls" ....I mean how disturbing can you get, are there no bounds to the horrible comments....
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
September 03 2005 07:53 GMT
#176
Everyone purchases some things with their aim on looking good or whatever.


Yes. I said: "There are very few people who prefer to horde money rather than display outward signs of class vanity."

Also half the population purchases a beer every now and then, that doesn't mean 'people spend money because they want alcohol'.


Of course I was referring to the hierarchy of consumer products, but there does exist a differentiation here too, between classy champagne and six packs, and not for the taste either (both are awful)

I am having incredible difficulty synthesizing the meaning your comments. Maybe you can simplify your position with a broader summary.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 03 2005 07:59 GMT
#177
moltke you didnt answer me! :-(
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
September 03 2005 08:24 GMT
#178
Sorry I missed that. I have to say guardedly yes. Let me tell you what I do not strive for: popularity. And respectability and popularity are not the same things. Indeed, as Nazgul pointed out, a person who judges others solely by material factors is simple indeed. However material culture, like art, is also a form of communication. It is rarely mere simple materialism. One might object that material ownerships should not predominate our judgements about other peoples, but until we have arrived at a stage of human development where the dual-existance of body and soul has been eliminated, leaving body irrelevant and soul predominant, I am content to acquiesce in this strange fact of civilization that history has brought us to.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 03 2005 08:28 GMT
#179
ill go ahead and translate that into english once ive got some sleep
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
September 03 2005 09:01 GMT
#180
On September 02 2005 10:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
1. How does this differ from any other job? Hell, if you work a shitty job at McDonalds you may be working your ass off but in the end all you're doing is making this society more and more unhealthy. Should poor scrubs therefor refuse to work at McDonalds? Hardworking jobs contribute more my ass. I doubt people suffering from hunger in Africa care about whether or not you work hard. When a person becomes rich and donates $200,000 to those people he is the one helping them, not you nor any other hardworking citizen.

2. One of my contributions is this website where every day 5000 people gather for whatever reason they may have. Who are you to judge how much I, as a poker player, contribute to society? I dare to go as far to say that playing poker makes me contribute more to society than I would have been able to otherwise.


Well firstly, I was talking about people who spend their wealth selfishly. Mainly in response to travis's comment about wanting to live selfishly without harming anyone else, which is either very difficult or impossible. Also, I'm under the impression that many or most poker pros spend their money selfishly. And I believe that this is immoral.

If you win money from poker and put most of it to good use, then I would call that a good thing. Some jobs pay you for contributing something to society, but in this case you will be contributing through the money that you've earned (as you already know; just stating it for others). Poker is, in itself, a bad profession for the reasons that Rek has mentioned, but in this case I would say the benefits (money for the poor) outweigh the drawbacks (bad aspects of poker).
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