• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:52
CET 00:52
KST 08:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship4[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win92025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10
StarCraft 2
General
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Practice Partners (Official) [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1520 users

The Friendly HotS Update Thread

Blogs > Umpteen
Post a Reply
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
January 11 2013 15:18 GMT
#1
Welcome!


Perhaps it's just me, but I'm not really enjoying wading through the HotS forum at the moment. I find it to be overwhelmed with bitter, unproductive and usually knee-jerk posts, especially in the aftermath of a balance update before anyone's had a real chance to explore the implications of the changes. Quite frankly it's bumming me out.

Threads with a dedicated purpose, such as this one, tend to fare better, but the update threads are like acid on my soul. I totally understand the tone of the discussion is outside the remit of the TL mods, and that people are just expressing themselves. This blog is in no way a criticism of the way the forum is being run. I'd just like to be able to chat about what's going on in good humour, without having to shout over the theorycrafters of doom and people who think Blizzard employees catch a shorter than usual bus to work.

Therefore, assuming TL considers this to be an appropriate use of my blog, I'll be posting a "Friendly HotS Update Thread" for each balance patch (starting with Update 12, whenever that drops), and pseudo-moderating it with blog-bans. I'm not asking people to suck any particular part of Blizzard's anatomy; I just think we should stick to some basic principles:

1. Positive Theorycrafting. What can we do with what we've been given? Ideas for things to try, and the results of trying them.

2. Good humour and a sense of perspective. This is a beta test of a game. It is not mankind's last desperate stand against the darkness, and Blizzard is not sleeping with your dad.

3. Respect. Everyone in every league is trying their best, including the guy who just beat you with an OP race. So let's say things like "Wow, X unit/strategy seems really strong; I'm all over the place trying to fend it off, and it could have been even stronger if my opponent had macroed / microed better - anyone have any insight?" instead of "Fucking patchzergs."

Hope to see you soon!


*****
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 11 2013 15:35 GMT
#2
Yeah i don't really like the original updates thread as well.

For the last Patch (i think you should post what is there in the 12patch).

There is something i don't understand. I don't really play HOTS for now and play Zerg but what is the point for the tank buff ?

I read the it was for mech in TvP but what are the implication to TvT and ZvT. Because if you have siege mode more early does that make banelings less effective ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 15:53:50
January 11 2013 15:49 GMT
#3
On January 12 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:
There is something i don't understand. I don't really play HOTS for now and play Zerg but what is the point for the tank buff ?


I think the goal is to reduce the cost of 'meching safely'. No siege research means you can:

1. Get tanks with siege much earlier and with less gas, so you can keep more workers on minerals and pump your economy harder whilst also being safer against 1-base attacks.

or

2. Get tanks with siege around the same time, but start them later (and for less gas), so you can keep even more workers on minerals and pump economy / infrastructure even harder.

All of this helps you afford stuff like ghosts, banshees and vikings further down the line: you can be in the exact same shape you were, but with more stuff to support your tanks.

The same applies to the Hellbat changes: now that blue flame isn't necessary to make walker-mode awesome, they're a much more cost-efficient defence.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
mmK_
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden16 Posts
January 11 2013 15:53 GMT
#4
On January 12 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:
Yeah i don't really like the original updates thread as well.

For the last Patch (i think you should post what is there in the 12patch).

There is something i don't understand. I don't really play HOTS for now and play Zerg but what is the point for the tank buff ?

I read the it was for mech in TvP but what are the implication to TvT and ZvT. Because if you have siege mode more early does that make banelings less effective ?


Well ofc they are less effective when you´ll have like another tank. It feels though really odd that I don´t need to upgrade it anymore ^^ The change makes mech early game alot easier and might be a good change if you think of what all the new threats are with MS pushes blinkes and zergie stuff etc... It will probably creat a snowballing effect where a mech player can get a faster expo or third while being safer and then faster fourth and everything will be abit faster. I like that blizzard trying something... very diffrent.

The one change that surprised me evenmore was the reaper chjange. It takes 4-5 shots to kill a worker now. But I´ve find them still effective and you can get a reaper into a zergs base before queen comes out without rushing for them. Really cool but you wont be able to kill more then a few workers tops because well... it takes a long time to kill a drone. Trying them out also in TvT where i 2 rax reaper expand. They may not be strong but if he moves out I´ll kill the workers of his but this is probably really weak to cheese so I´ll see how that goes.
Once the terran race has chosen you, you can´t change because the marines will stim and ratatatat you if you do! :o
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 11 2013 16:09 GMT
#5
Hum yeah i did not thought about the gaz. Means you will always have banshee with cloack. (Or is it just 100gas for Siege mode ?). Damn i need to watch less and play more i forget the costs.

Yeah i was surprise by the 4damage to the reaper (less than a worker) but you can get them super fast so... i don't know. It's been a long time i played terran.

Thx for the explanation

It will really change early game dynamics.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
23:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #17
Liquipedia
LAN Event
18:00
Merivale 8: Swiss Groups Day 2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 57
CosmosSc2 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 549
Artosis 470
LaStScan 72
NaDa 52
Dota 2
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Foxcn271
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox899
Mew2King59
Other Games
tarik_tv5652
Grubby2171
Liquid`Hasu216
C9.Mang0204
ToD101
Maynarde100
ZombieGrub66
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL110
StarCraft 2
CranKy Ducklings80
Other Games
BasetradeTV59
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 83
• RyuSc2 59
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21255
League of Legends
• TFBlade1019
• HappyZerGling86
Other Games
• imaqtpie875
• Scarra677
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
10h 8m
LAN Event
15h 8m
Replay Cast
23h 8m
OSC
1d 12h
LAN Event
1d 15h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
IPSL
2 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
2 days
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
3 days
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
LHT Stage 1
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.