EPTIf a game is worth your free time and dedication then by all means do what you wish to in celebrating your love for it, but if a game isn't doesn't elicit someone's unbridled praise or admiration, then that's simply how it is. Is SC2 good? Yes. Is it a game without flaws or issues? Simply, no. There are very few games that are even close to flawless (BW included), but discourse like this is not at all helpful to your intended goal, as you are basically trying to tell people to stop bitching when they feel they have legitimate concerns.
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If a game is worth your free time and dedication then by all means do what you wish to in celebrating your love for it, but if a game isn't doesn't elicit someone's unbridled praise or admiration, then that's simply how it is. Is SC2 good? Yes. Is it a game without flaws or issues? Simply, no. There are very few games that are even close to flawless (BW included), but discourse like this is not at all helpful to your intended goal, as you are basically trying to tell people to stop bitching when they feel they have legitimate concerns. | ||
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DaCheF
United States305 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:25 Malaz wrote: I used to watch a lot of Sc2 as well as BW, CS and Wc3 before that but I eventually lost interest in those games and now I'm watching some Dota2. So I would consider me an esports-fan for years, but I really couldn't care less for this whole "growing esports" thing. DotA 2 is really in the " right" scheme now I feel. Still a very community driven game, I'm a generalist esport fan, from RTS to Dota'like with fighting game or FPS in the middle, and the mentality SC2 and LoL are showing right now is a bit flawed to what made us love esport. Way too much people thinking over their head and not trying to just enjoy what we have. | ||
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FromShouri
United States862 Posts
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
We all know it, so why do some people act like rats on a sinking ship when the ship is quite safe as it is. Some of us like to think and talk about reality, rather than about a fantasy land where everything is the way we wish it were. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
Esports is the result of a fun, competitive and entertaining game. It's not some kind of dreamy world we can all together make it happen even if we don't enjoy it. That only works if you are Riot and got shit tons of cash. | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:36 wo1fwood wrote: OK, I'm just going to say it, fuck esports. I'm really beginning to dislike what people use that word for these days. No dude see this is where you're wrong.. We don't need to have good gameplay, connectivity between regions of the world, or good future direction for the game. All we need is endless fake hype, dr pepper pregame shows and announcements about someone joining/leaving a team every 12 hours. If you don't want to contribute to that and let the game itself languish, you're literally hitler. Welcome to teamliquid. User was warned for this post User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
On January 14 2013 01:38 Kuni wrote: If you don't care about esports, and believe it or not, there are people who don't give a damn about it and just enjoy playing videogames for what they are, there is no reason to artificially support it by faking activity, viewership, sympathy or anything else. This. "eSports" won't grow by people "trying to make it happen" and going out of their way to have multiple streams open or things like that. It will grow from more people enjoying the game and giving it their time, whether to play or to watch. Football doesn't become popular because people want it to become the "#1 sport" and they want more money to go to the players. It becomes popular because there are many people who wholesomely love the game. No need to force things. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
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iglocska
Norway589 Posts
On January 14 2013 01:24 Luepert wrote: Maybe tournament viewership isn't down, but stream viewership most definitely is. Why would I watch streams when there are tournaments on 24/7? I used to watch streams when there wasn't anything better on, but lately there is so much to watch in terms of awesome well produced content that it leaves no time for streams unless it's a really exceptional one (Nestea streaming). | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I feel like I've read an OP like this on a dozen separate occasions... It happens when enterprising young social media experts see 'negative, cynical' threads and want a piece of the pie. Like all things, it shall pass.. On January 14 2013 04:29 neoghaleon55 wrote: I contribute.... by writing DRG-Blogs <3 See what I mean? | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
by writing DRG-Blogs <3 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=392853 | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
On January 14 2013 01:24 Luepert wrote: Maybe tournament viewership isn't down, but stream viewership most definitely is. Less interesting players are streaming to be honest... | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
If sponsors decide not to invest in the SCII scene then it will not have been because of the community. That is for sure. | ||
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lolmlg
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:41 lolmlg wrote: BW succeeded because the company wasn't involved and the grassroots interest was there. SC2 was born from Blizzard's desire to meddle incessantly and the grassroots support suffered because of that fact and is waning further now. It's not necessarily problematic that Blizzard wants to meddle into the game all the time. What is, however, is the fact that they show little regard to the community's demands or only meet them much, much later, all the while maintaining the facade that they care and listen very much. | ||
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BriMikon
United States82 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
so jokes on you, op. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On January 14 2013 00:52 Nimitz.no wrote: Starcraft is here to stay and I write this in frustration with the negative posts that occur from time to time in the forums. The latest one is "Is HOTS worth it". We all know it, so why do some people act like rats on a sinking ship when the ship is quite safe as it is. Obviously you don't know if "stacraft is here to stay",you aren't a prophet nor do you have a crystal ball. What do you mean by "we all know it"?If by we all know it you mean:"we all know Hots is worth it",than no and if anyone asks me for my advice I'd tell him to not waste your money on Hots now as it is. This is why: When you ask this question and talk constant about how SC2 has no future you contribute to limit the immediate growth of e-sports. Yes you are outright hurting the community you love. I am not going to support something that I think is not worth supporting.Stacraft isn't my whole life,it's my hobby.If I happen to think at a point in time that it isn't worth my time anymore I'll stop following it and ignore it completely. Right now I'm on the edge but I still feel like I care at least enough to tell blizzard that their game sucks in many aspects and that they need to change it. Talking and discussing the direction of the game to help Blizzard take the right decisions and other players to improve their play are all good and well. However the constant whine about the game itself as in having no place in e-sports, it is just plain destructive. The constant whine is there because blizzard is doing a shit job,the main people in charge that is.Obviously people are unhappy and they are voicing their opinion.It took a ridic amount of time and whine to at least make blizzard understand why their ladder maps suck and why they should use tournament maps.If we just sat around and did nothing we would still be playing on kulas ravine probably. Sponsors and players are reading this and making decisions based upon the public opinion. It is common knowledge that those who play and are happy doesn't make posts. It is the other half who does and by doing so dominate the media with destructive information, as mentioned before, limits the immediate growth. So what you are saying is you want us to intentionally mislead a company into thinking everything is all dandy and we all love the game just how it is so people can get money from them?good plan. This can be compared to the stock-marked as well. Would you as a possible investor/buyer invest in stocks which are flooded with negative information ? the information is not from reliable sources but they are the only sources available to you. Who are you to say what's a reliable source and what isn't?I say the game is terrible as is now and you say it's fantastic.So who's in the right? Again it is super to discuss tactic and strategy, but to attack the game itself in frustration based upon lack of success or balance issues you think is unfair, is not contributing to the community it is limiting it's immediate possibilities. Great because if blizzard,by the time of introduction of LotV,still thinks that the colossus is good units design and I have a thing like that in multiplayer than I'd rather have the game die altogether because I sure won't be part of the community anymore.. The pro teams and players depend on sponsors to make a living and to entertain you. Show them the respect they deserve by contributing and not "pissing in the well" I don't owe them anything if I'm not entertained and even if I am I'm paying my dues by not using adblock.The reasons I think the game sucks overall atm has nothing to do with them but with blizzard. So does SC2 have a future ? you all know the answer so the question itself is plain stupid. Stacrafts future is as clear as that of any other esport,it will fade and it will die.The question is how long it will be around. How do we make it grow and look brighter ? That is the real question. By being honest to ourselves and the developer and not being a blind fanboy. Fanboi ? yes of course I am a fan. I love it. Exactly | ||
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:28 yeastiality wrote: It happens when enterprising young social media experts see 'negative, cynical' threads and want a piece of the pie. Like all things, it shall pass.. See what I mean? Not sure i am that young, I am an old 42 year IT consultant with my own company and 5 employees, besides the point tho. But the aggression some of you show is weird as this is just another topic with opinions in it  . My point is about the negative marketing it brings, nothing more and nothing less. However attacking whiners for whining is doomed to have some aggressive responses  | ||
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