Orb vs Isai Cyberground Tournament ruling/issue - Page 4

On September 27 2010 06:53 Ndugu wrote:
I have to say that it sounds like Orb got dicked over.

I cannot honestly see any way he could have possibly lost that game, at all. Like the guy says-- his probes could have waged manly combat. Keep in mind he would be reinforcing RIGHT THERE while the Terran only had what army was with him. Orbs army would have been much larger when the engagement began, and unless the Terran won overwhelmingly, the next round of warp-ins would have mopped up.

That being said, it happens. Admins did their best, it was a slightly bad judgment, but the admins are in charge. You have to remain respectful to them even afterward. A re-game is safer than giving someone an unfair loss, and had Orb won, no one would be complaining. I'm all for BMing your opponent because I'm American and a douchebag, so i can't really comment on that. Treat the refs properly, though.

Obviously this should be a learning experience for admins everywhere. And for Blizzard. Why can't Tournament-games just pause when a DC occurs and resume when Bnet comes back up? Why isn't there LAN? So many people who's fault this is way before the admins or the players.

Talking to both players and coming up with an alternative, like map pick for the person at an advantage, would have been a cutesy move.

On September 27 2010 07:23 ZlaSHeR wrote:


orbs army was smaller and would not have gotten bigger due to being 92/92 food and not having a pylon incoming. The only way to reproduce was to lose his army first, not to mention the 3 medivacs and MM group with stim would defeat that protoss army any day o f the week.

You clearly didn't pay attention to that game if you think he had the game won right there. It's not about who will win, because everyones had comebacks, the only way to award a win is if orb is ready to win the game RIGHT THERE which he had not done, and would not have done.

All of us at that LAN are americans, don't group us with you if you wont even pay attention to the commentary, the game, or the situation.

On September 27 2010 07:58 ZlaSHeR wrote:
You can't honestly see ANY way he would lose, thats my grounds. I'll paint a scenario where he loses for you, he loses his whole army after getting kited and medivacs healing him back up, 10 marauders with stim will take down his Nexus in maybe 10 volleys along with the marines, he runs up the ramp because orb built more stalkers in the attempts to not get kited/killed by the marauders, but unfortunately a wave of 4/8 stalkers will still lose to 10 stimmed marauders and 3 medivacs.

If you did pay attention to the video you'd know there is always a chance orb loses, he his ahead economically and behind in army comp and size.

On September 27 2010 08:08 Ndugu wrote:

There's always a chance for everything. There's a chance that, based on Orb's observations, the other player was going to develop a heart problem and they were gonna have to put the match on hold. Or that he waited a bit to engage and Orb had charge done and an increasing army size advantage.

In my opinion, it is so overwhelmingly likely that Orb would have won that he should have been awarded the victory. Once again, I was not an Admin, and I respect the Admins decisions, just like I hope mine would have been respected had I been an admin.

Don't really care to debate this ad infinitum.

On September 27 2010 07:05 frog HERO wrote:
Is the isai in that video the same as this gentlemen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouUooMEHqig

On September 27 2010 08:22 Sentenal wrote:

I highly HIGHLY doubt its the same Isai as the Smash Isai.

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Subject: Orb's apology
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CC: LuckyFool, GenoZStriker, Nokarot, Zlasher, Torenhire
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Hello, this is orb. Micronesia was kind enough to offer me the ability to contact you all through him.
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I want to personally apologize to you all. While I still firmly disagree with the decision made during the cyberground tournament, it wasn't my tournament. It was your (the admins) tournament. You had every right to make whatever decision you wanted, regardless of the fairness of the decision. While I still feel personally wronged by the decision, I understand it wasn't done with the intention of wronging me. In that moment without a contingency plan it would be difficult for anyone to come up with a fair solution. Also, I understand it must have been difficult dealing with the fact that if you awarded me with the win some people would probably have viewed you as showing favoritism.
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As all of you know, I'm not the best at dealing with my anger. I can't help but think I've become my father as he used to flip out at minor inconveniences, but at this point I don't know how to deal with it. Getting mad at you when you were clearly in a difficult situation wasn't the right thing to do, and truthfully this entire ordeal should not have been placed on your shoulders (if Blizzard would give us LAN mode). While I still do not feel I owe IsAi one bit of an apology due to the amount of BM he displayed towards me both after and before this even happened, clearly none of you deserved that rage that I apparently felt the need to express.
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So many factors built up into the reason why I blew up (not the least of which being that I scheduled off work on a Saturday where I would have made over $300 to end up getting shafted out of the prize-pool by Blizzard's relentless anti-piracy), but that doesn't excuse it. To be honest, if I were in your shoes I'd probably ban me from coming to future LANs, as that kind of behavior and drama is only detrimental to non-Korean ESPORTS development.
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I'll leave the decision on whether to grant me any forgiveness up to you guys. Either way, I'm sorry.
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-orb-