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On August 03 2009 10:25 Aegraen wrote:
People who are challenging Obama's natural born citizenry are going about this the wrong way. It doesn't matter where he was born. His father was a citizen of Britain at Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama is not a natural born citizen and is exempt from becoming the President. There has to be clarification from the SCOTUS with regards to the 14th amendment. It's pretty clear, natural born citizen is someone who was born from parents of American citizenry. In any case, it appears that the SCOTUS is abdicating its most important duty. Go figure.
You're right! We need another George Bush in office. I mean, look at what he did with the Georgian conflict
link to TL thread on news report
Glen Beck is good too
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motbob
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On August 03 2009 10:30 floor exercise wrote:
The only definitive way to prove whether or not he is Kenyan is to make him run long distances
This. also we need a side test to see if he is also part British... I wonder...
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OH MY GOD!!!!
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On August 03 2009 10:30 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. There's no "clarification" needed there. Born OR naturalized. It's the same for every citizenship case that ever was: if you were born on U.S. soil, you're a citizen. Why should Obama suddenly be an exception? EDIT: ooooh, i see what you're saying. That makes it more complicated. just a sec EDIT2: OK, your case still doesn't hold water, I think. Maybe if neither of his parents were citizens, you might have a case. But any court would say that since his mom was a citizen, that makes him a "natural-born" citizen.
I'm glad you jump to such a conclusion as what the SCOTUS would rule. Why even have the SCOTUS when we have you. It's a pretty logical conclusion, based on the writings of John Jay to Washington and the other founders at the time as to what Natural-Born citizen actually means (Born from two citizens of the USA), but the SCOTUS has never clarified the actual meaning. That is why I posit the case that Obama is not a naturalized citizen and is therefore exempt from becoming the President.
Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.
I think this pretty clearly extends a line of logic that a natural born citizen is one born to two naturalized citizens of the US. This is where we should be hammering our case to the SCOTUS. Not on where he was born....we have a much stronger case here on these grounds than in any other.
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On August 03 2009 10:45 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Well if so, he can not be the president of the united states. Which is a good thing. So lets hope its true.
who the fuck else do you want in office? not saying that this is you necessarily, but all the people who think that if only we had the right president, all our problems will magically dissapear in half a year need to pull their heads out of their asses
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motbob
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On August 03 2009 10:54 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 10:30 motbob wrote:Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. There's no "clarification" needed there. Born OR naturalized. It's the same for every citizenship case that ever was: if you were born on U.S. soil, you're a citizen. Why should Obama suddenly be an exception? EDIT: ooooh, i see what you're saying. That makes it more complicated. just a sec EDIT2: OK, your case still doesn't hold water, I think. Maybe if neither of his parents were citizens, you might have a case. But any court would say that since his mom was a citizen, that makes him a "natural-born" citizen. I'm glad you jump to such a conclusion as what the SCOTUS would rule. Why even have the SCOTUS when we have you. It's a pretty logical conclusion, based on the writings of John Jay to Washington and the other founders at the time as to what Natural-Born citizen actually means (Born from two citizens of the USA), but the SCOTUS has never clarified the actual meaning. That is why I posit the case that Obama is not a naturalized citizen and is therefore exempt from becoming the President. Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. I think this pretty clearly extends a line of logic that a natural born citizen is one born to two naturalized citizens of the US. This is where we should be hammering our case to the SCOTUS. Not on where he was born....we have a much stronger case here on these grounds than in any other.
This comes down to founding father intent vs literalism, like the second amendment question (although the shoe's on the other foot this time) and other questions. The Supreme Court will not overturn the election of the President because of the "writings of John Jay and other founders." You can say that I'm unqualified to say this and maybe I am. But until someone brings a case to court arguing what you're pushing, it's simply stupid to talk about it.
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Uh aren't you considered a natural born citizen if your born on US soil no matter who your parents were? Ive heard that illegal immigrant children born here are and that sometimes women will jump the border close to birth to get their children as US citizens. This is all BS anyway. I really love how he hasn't been in office a full year and people are already like "WHAT? PROBLEMS NOT FIXED YET?! HE SUCKS" Jesus people, how many times has he and pretty much everyone else said its going to take YEARS to fix this shit?
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On August 03 2009 10:54 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 10:30 motbob wrote:Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. There's no "clarification" needed there. Born OR naturalized. It's the same for every citizenship case that ever was: if you were born on U.S. soil, you're a citizen. Why should Obama suddenly be an exception? EDIT: ooooh, i see what you're saying. That makes it more complicated. just a sec EDIT2: OK, your case still doesn't hold water, I think. Maybe if neither of his parents were citizens, you might have a case. But any court would say that since his mom was a citizen, that makes him a "natural-born" citizen. I'm glad you jump to such a conclusion as what the SCOTUS would rule. Why even have the SCOTUS when we have you. It's a pretty logical conclusion, based on the writings of John Jay to Washington and the other founders at the time as to what Natural-Born citizen actually means (Born from two citizens of the USA), but the SCOTUS has never clarified the actual meaning. That is why I posit the case that Obama is not a naturalized citizen and is therefore exempt from becoming the President. Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. I think this pretty clearly extends a line of logic that a natural born citizen is one born to two naturalized citizens of the US. This is where we should be hammering our case to the SCOTUS. Not on where he was born....we have a much stronger case here on these grounds than in any other.
So I guess the thousands of Europeans who immigrated to the US in the 1700's didn't give birth to citizens?
Anchor babies get citizenship too last time I checked.
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On August 03 2009 11:12 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
Uh aren't you considered a natural born citizen if your born on US soil no matter who your parents were? Ive heard that illegal immigrant children born here are and that sometimes women will jump the border close to birth to get their children as US citizens. This is all BS anyway. I really love how he hasn't been in office a full year and people are already like "WHAT? PROBLEMS NOT FIXED YET?! HE SUCKS" Jesus people, how many times has he and pretty much everyone else said its going to take YEARS to fix this shit?
No. You are a naturalized citizen of the US, but not a natural born citizen. The 14th needs to get amended anyways to stop anchor babies.
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Braavos36402 Posts
On August 03 2009 11:18 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 11:12 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
Uh aren't you considered a natural born citizen if your born on US soil no matter who your parents were? Ive heard that illegal immigrant children born here are and that sometimes women will jump the border close to birth to get their children as US citizens. This is all BS anyway. I really love how he hasn't been in office a full year and people are already like "WHAT? PROBLEMS NOT FIXED YET?! HE SUCKS" Jesus people, how many times has he and pretty much everyone else said its going to take YEARS to fix this shit? No. You are a naturalized citizen of the US, but not a natural born citizen. The 14th needs to get amended anyways to stop anchor babies.
lol
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On August 03 2009 11:18 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 11:12 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
Uh aren't you considered a natural born citizen if your born on US soil no matter who your parents were? Ive heard that illegal immigrant children born here are and that sometimes women will jump the border close to birth to get their children as US citizens. This is all BS anyway. I really love how he hasn't been in office a full year and people are already like "WHAT? PROBLEMS NOT FIXED YET?! HE SUCKS" Jesus people, how many times has he and pretty much everyone else said its going to take YEARS to fix this shit? No. You are a naturalized citizen of the US, but not a natural born citizen. The 14th needs to get amended anyways to stop anchor babies.
You manage to be the biggest troll/racist/bigot in every thread about anything.
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On August 03 2009 11:17 VictorW wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 10:54 Aegraen wrote:On August 03 2009 10:30 motbob wrote:Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. There's no "clarification" needed there. Born OR naturalized. It's the same for every citizenship case that ever was: if you were born on U.S. soil, you're a citizen. Why should Obama suddenly be an exception? EDIT: ooooh, i see what you're saying. That makes it more complicated. just a sec EDIT2: OK, your case still doesn't hold water, I think. Maybe if neither of his parents were citizens, you might have a case. But any court would say that since his mom was a citizen, that makes him a "natural-born" citizen. I'm glad you jump to such a conclusion as what the SCOTUS would rule. Why even have the SCOTUS when we have you. It's a pretty logical conclusion, based on the writings of John Jay to Washington and the other founders at the time as to what Natural-Born citizen actually means (Born from two citizens of the USA), but the SCOTUS has never clarified the actual meaning. That is why I posit the case that Obama is not a naturalized citizen and is therefore exempt from becoming the President. Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. I think this pretty clearly extends a line of logic that a natural born citizen is one born to two naturalized citizens of the US. This is where we should be hammering our case to the SCOTUS. Not on where he was born....we have a much stronger case here on these grounds than in any other. So I guess the thousands of Europeans who immigrated to the US in the 1700's didn't give birth to citizens? Anchor babies get citizenship too last time I checked.
A natural born citizen is not the same thing as a naturalized citizen.
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On August 03 2009 11:26 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 11:18 Aegraen wrote:On August 03 2009 11:12 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
Uh aren't you considered a natural born citizen if your born on US soil no matter who your parents were? Ive heard that illegal immigrant children born here are and that sometimes women will jump the border close to birth to get their children as US citizens. This is all BS anyway. I really love how he hasn't been in office a full year and people are already like "WHAT? PROBLEMS NOT FIXED YET?! HE SUCKS" Jesus people, how many times has he and pretty much everyone else said its going to take YEARS to fix this shit? No. You are a naturalized citizen of the US, but not a natural born citizen. The 14th needs to get amended anyways to stop anchor babies. You manage to be the biggest troll/racist/bigot in every thread about anything.
Why thank you, I cherish your introspective opinions. /sarc
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Has anyone else noticed how Aegraen is literally the worst poster
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On August 03 2009 10:25 Aegraen wrote:
People who are challenging Obama's natural born citizenry are going about this the wrong way. It doesn't matter where he was born. His father was a citizen of Britain at Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama is not a natural born citizen and is exempt from becoming the President. There has to be clarification from the SCOTUS with regards to the 14th amendment. It's pretty clear, natural born citizen is someone who was born from parents of American citizenry. In any case, it appears that the SCOTUS is abdicating its most important duty. Go figure.
If you think about it, that makes you not a natural born citizen since your ancestors were never citizens by your dumb rule, and thus their kids weren't either, and then on down to you. Show us your green card or get out.
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Canada15390 Posts
On August 03 2009 11:29 floor exercise wrote:
Has anyone else noticed how Aegraen is literally the worst poster
pretty much everyone by now I think
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On August 03 2009 11:29 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 10:25 Aegraen wrote:
People who are challenging Obama's natural born citizenry are going about this the wrong way. It doesn't matter where he was born. His father was a citizen of Britain at Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama is not a natural born citizen and is exempt from becoming the President. There has to be clarification from the SCOTUS with regards to the 14th amendment. It's pretty clear, natural born citizen is someone who was born from parents of American citizenry. In any case, it appears that the SCOTUS is abdicating its most important duty. Go figure. If you think about it, that makes you not a natural born citizen since your ancestors were never citizens by your dumb rule, and thus their kids weren't either, and then on down to you. Show us your green card or get out.
You obviously have no understanding. Let me clarify in the simplest of terms.
A Naturalized Citizen is a citizen who was born in America, however their parents either one or both were not either Natural Born citizens or Naturalized Citizens. Also, in order for an immigrant to become a Naturalized Citizen of the US, they must pass a test on the history of America and our Constitution and residing continuosly in America for 5 years. Once they pass this test they become a Naturalized Citizen. For a more indepth read about naturalization read this: http://www.visaus.com/citizen.html
A Natural Born Citizen is a person born to either two Natural Born Citizens, or two Naturalized Citizens.
In Obama's case, his Father was NOT a Citizen either Naturalized or Natural Born of America. He was a British citizen. Therefore Obama is not a Natural Born citizen which is a REQUIREMENT to become the President of the US. The reason why people like Gov. Shwarzenaeggar who is a Naturalized Citizen cannot become the President is precisely because he is not a Natural Born citizen.
If you make no distinction between the two, then you nullify the Constitution and allow any immigrant who becomes a naturalized citizen to become President. If you don't know this causes significant and grave danger to the citizens of the US. If you have never heard of a Manchurian Candidate and the possibilities then I suggest a little reading up.
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On August 03 2009 11:29 floor exercise wrote:
Has anyone else noticed how Aegraen is literally the worst poster
In view of the "TL Bot", I happen to hold that title.
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United States44291 Posts
On August 03 2009 11:41 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 11:29 Trezeguet23 wrote:On August 03 2009 10:25 Aegraen wrote:
People who are challenging Obama's natural born citizenry are going about this the wrong way. It doesn't matter where he was born. His father was a citizen of Britain at Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama is not a natural born citizen and is exempt from becoming the President. There has to be clarification from the SCOTUS with regards to the 14th amendment. It's pretty clear, natural born citizen is someone who was born from parents of American citizenry. In any case, it appears that the SCOTUS is abdicating its most important duty. Go figure. If you think about it, that makes you not a natural born citizen since your ancestors were never citizens by your dumb rule, and thus their kids weren't either, and then on down to you. Show us your green card or get out. You obviously have no understanding. Let me clarify in the simplest of terms. A Naturalized Citizen is a citizen who was born in America, however their parents either one or both were not either Natural Born citizens or Naturalized Citizens. Also, in order for an immigrant to become a Naturalized Citizen of the US, they must pass a test on the history of America and our Constitution. Once they pass this test they become a Naturalized Citizen. A Natural Born Citizen is a person born to either two Natural Born Citizens, or two Naturalized Citizens. In Obama's case, his Father was NOT a Citizen either Naturalized or Natural Born of America. He was a British citizen. Therefore Obama is not a Natural Born citizen which is a REQUIREMENT to become the President of the US. The reason why people like Gov. Shwarzenaeggar who is a Naturalized Citizen cannot become the President is precisely because he is not a Natural Born citizen. If you make no distinction between the two, then you nullify the Constitution and allow any immigrant who becomes a naturalized citizen to become President. If you don't know this causes significant and grave danger to the citizens of the US. If you have never heard of a Manchurian Candidate and the possibilities then I suggest a little reading up.
If a foreign spy manages to win an election I think the country has bigger issues at hand. I don't think a rule about natural born citizens is the biggest obstacle to planting an agent in the Oval Office. The whole election aspect probably poses a bigger hurdle.
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