Obama born in Kenya!

On August 03 2009 10:03 Sunyveil wrote:
lol some of the people in the world on TL

On August 03 2009 10:13 Athos wrote:
you Republicans should want the law changed anyways. Then you can have Schwarzenegger run for president.....Besides, everybody knows he's your best chance in 2012.

On August 03 2009 10:13 Athos wrote:
you Republicans should want the law changed anyways. Then you can have Schwarzenegger run for president.....Besides, everybody knows he's your best chance in 2012.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

On August 03 2009 10:25 Aegraen wrote:
People who are challenging Obama's natural born citizenry are going about this the wrong way. It doesn't matter where he was born. His father was a citizen of Britain at Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama is not a natural born citizen and is exempt from becoming the President. There has to be clarification from the SCOTUS with regards to the 14th amendment. It's pretty clear, natural born citizen is someone who was born from parents of American citizenry. In any case, it appears that the SCOTUS is abdicating its most important duty. Go figure.

On August 03 2009 10:30 floor exercise wrote:
The only definitive way to prove whether or not he is Kenyan is to make him run long distances

On August 03 2009 10:30 motbob wrote:


There's no "clarification" needed there. Born OR naturalized. It's the same for every citizenship case that ever was: if you were born on U.S. soil, you're a citizen. Why should Obama suddenly be an exception?

EDIT: ooooh, i see what you're saying. That makes it more complicated. just a sec

EDIT2: OK, your case still doesn't hold water, I think. Maybe if neither of his parents were citizens, you might have a case. But any court would say that since his mom was a citizen, that makes him a "natural-born" citizen.

On August 03 2009 10:45 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Well if so, he can not be the president of the united states. Which is a good thing. So lets hope its true.

On August 03 2009 10:54 Aegraen wrote:


I'm glad you jump to such a conclusion as what the SCOTUS would rule. Why even have the SCOTUS when we have you. It's a pretty logical conclusion, based on the writings of John Jay to Washington and the other founders at the time as to what Natural-Born citizen actually means (Born from two citizens of the USA), but the SCOTUS has never clarified the actual meaning. That is why I posit the case that Obama is not a naturalized citizen and is therefore exempt from becoming the President.

Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.


I think this pretty clearly extends a line of logic that a natural born citizen is one born to two naturalized citizens of the US. This is where we should be hammering our case to the SCOTUS. Not on where he was born....we have a much stronger case here on these grounds than in any other.

On August 03 2009 10:54 Aegraen wrote:


I'm glad you jump to such a conclusion as what the SCOTUS would rule. Why even have the SCOTUS when we have you. It's a pretty logical conclusion, based on the writings of John Jay to Washington and the other founders at the time as to what Natural-Born citizen actually means (Born from two citizens of the USA), but the SCOTUS has never clarified the actual meaning. That is why I posit the case that Obama is not a naturalized citizen and is therefore exempt from becoming the President.

Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.


I think this pretty clearly extends a line of logic that a natural born citizen is one born to two naturalized citizens of the US. This is where we should be hammering our case to the SCOTUS. Not on where he was born....we have a much stronger case here on these grounds than in any other.

On August 03 2009 11:12 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
Uh aren't you considered a natural born citizen if your born on US soil no matter who your parents were? Ive heard that illegal immigrant children born here are and that sometimes women will jump the border close to birth to get their children as US citizens. This is all BS anyway. I really love how he hasn't been in office a full year and people are already like "WHAT? PROBLEMS NOT FIXED YET?! HE SUCKS" Jesus people, how many times has he and pretty much everyone else said its going to take YEARS to fix this shit?

On August 03 2009 11:18 Aegraen wrote:


No. You are a naturalized citizen of the US, but not a natural born citizen. The 14th needs to get amended anyways to stop anchor babies.

On August 03 2009 11:18 Aegraen wrote:


No. You are a naturalized citizen of the US, but not a natural born citizen. The 14th needs to get amended anyways to stop anchor babies.

On August 03 2009 11:17 VictorW wrote:


So I guess the thousands of Europeans who immigrated to the US in the 1700's didn't give birth to citizens?

Anchor babies get citizenship too last time I checked.

On August 03 2009 11:26 Trezeguet23 wrote:

You manage to be the biggest troll/racist/bigot in every thread about anything.

On August 03 2009 10:25 Aegraen wrote:
People who are challenging Obama's natural born citizenry are going about this the wrong way. It doesn't matter where he was born. His father was a citizen of Britain at Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama is not a natural born citizen and is exempt from becoming the President. There has to be clarification from the SCOTUS with regards to the 14th amendment. It's pretty clear, natural born citizen is someone who was born from parents of American citizenry. In any case, it appears that the SCOTUS is abdicating its most important duty. Go figure.

On August 03 2009 11:29 floor exercise wrote:
Has anyone else noticed how Aegraen is literally the worst poster

On August 03 2009 11:29 Trezeguet23 wrote:

If you think about it, that makes you not a natural born citizen since your ancestors were never citizens by your dumb rule, and thus their kids weren't either, and then on down to you. Show us your green card or get out.

On August 03 2009 11:29 floor exercise wrote:
Has anyone else noticed how Aegraen is literally the worst poster

On August 03 2009 11:41 Aegraen wrote:


You obviously have no understanding. Let me clarify in the simplest of terms.

A Naturalized Citizen is a citizen who was born in America, however their parents either one or both were not either Natural Born citizens or Naturalized Citizens. Also, in order for an immigrant to become a Naturalized Citizen of the US, they must pass a test on the history of America and our Constitution. Once they pass this test they become a Naturalized Citizen.

A Natural Born Citizen is a person born to either two Natural Born Citizens, or two Naturalized Citizens.

In Obama's case, his Father was NOT a Citizen either Naturalized or Natural Born of America. He was a British citizen. Therefore Obama is not a Natural Born citizen which is a REQUIREMENT to become the President of the US. The reason why people like Gov. Shwarzenaeggar who is a Naturalized Citizen cannot become the President is precisely because he is not a Natural Born citizen.

If you make no distinction between the two, then you nullify the Constitution and allow any immigrant who becomes a naturalized citizen to become President. If you don't know this causes significant and grave danger to the citizens of the US. If you have never heard of a Manchurian Candidate and the possibilities then I suggest a little reading up.

Check out the name on the certificate, Signature of Registrar: E. F. Lavender. E. F. Lavender is a common soap in Kenya.

On August 03 2009 11:28 Aegraen wrote:


Why thank you, I cherish your introspective opinions. /sarc

On August 03 2009 11:54 HuskyTheHusky wrote:


When was the last time you played Starcraft?

Just curious since I believe every single one of your posts is political.

On August 03 2009 12:01 travis wrote:
personally I don't give a fuck where he was born because I don't think it is relevant to anything

On August 03 2009 12:04 SkY)CosMoS wrote:
Aegraen are you sure about taking that history exam? I thought that was only for applying for residency(ship?)/citizenship.

On August 03 2009 09:54 motbob wrote:
Obama's birth date on the certificate is in 1961. The date of issuance on the birth certificate is in early 1964.

LOLOLOL

On August 03 2009 10:30 floor exercise wrote:
The only definitive way to prove whether or not he is Kenyan is to make him run long distances

On August 03 2009 11:55 Aegraen wrote:

I've been playing CS:S

On August 03 2009 11:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
How is Aegraen not banned or is he an alt of a mod?

On August 03 2009 12:04 Hot_Bid wrote:

its relevant to him being president of the united states lol

On August 03 2009 11:18 Aegraen wrote:


No. You are a naturalized citizen of the US, but not a natural born citizen. The 14th needs to get amended anyways to stop anchor babies.

On August 03 2009 11:41 Aegraen wrote:




A Naturalized Citizen is a citizen who was born in America, however their parents either one or both were not either Natural Born citizens or Naturalized Citizens. Also, in order for an immigrant to become a Naturalized Citizen of the US, they must pass a test on the history of America and our Constitution and residing continuosly in America for 5 years. Once they pass this test they become a Naturalized Citizen. For a more indepth read about naturalization read this: http://www.visaus.com/citizen.html

On August 03 2009 12:20 Jibba wrote:

Why? Are you a big fan of rng and bad netcode?

On August 03 2009 12:36 Jayme wrote:


I honestly think anyone who claims to be a US citizen should take this test.

Most of them would fail fucking miserably. Beyond miserably in fact. I remember taking a citizenship test back in history 1301 just to see what we knew as a class.

I was one of like three people out of THIRTY FIVE that passed the thing. It was embarrassing and by your definition I'm "merely" a naturalized citizen because my mother is not a citizen of the United States.

It just enrages me when your entire post comes off as if only a Natural Born citizen has any clue about how the United States works. I personally find the law regarding that a president has to be Natural Born and it's definition to be insanely ludicrous and irrelevant.

More problems have surfaced

1. In was dated Feb 14, 1964 and had the designation Republic of Kenya. However that designation was not official until December 1964.
2. It’s number 44 O 47 is a bit coincidental with 44th President Obama 47th President
3. The name EF Lavender. Earth Friendly Lavender is a detergent
4. Mombasa did not become part of Kenya until 1963. It used to be part of Zanzibar
5. The Coast General Hospital is actually called the Coast Provincial General Hospital
6. There are unconfirmed statements that women who would give birth in 1961 would go to the “Lady Grigg Maternity Hospital” which was later rolled into the Coast Provincial General hospital.

On August 03 2009 12:04 Hot_Bid wrote:

its relevant to him being president of the united states lol

On August 03 2009 12:54 Aegraen wrote:


Look, I just want the damn truth. I don't see why Obama is so reluctant and has spent so much money hiding his Birth Certificate. Personally, there are better avenues and more legit avenues to pursure congruent to his invalidation of Presidency. Most of this would be over if he just furnished his Birth Certificate just like pretty much every other President. End-game GG no re.

On August 03 2009 12:54 Aegraen wrote:


Look, I just want the damn truth. I don't see why Obama is so reluctant and has spent so much money hiding his Birth Certificate. Personally, there are better avenues and more legit avenues to pursure congruent to his invalidation of Presidency. Most of this would be over if he just furnished his Birth Certificate just like pretty much every other President. End-game GG no re.

On August 03 2009 13:04 d(O.o)a wrote:
Oh my god seriously guys what does it matter where he's born... Where did he grow up? and do you doubt that he'd be a great president?

On August 03 2009 12:08 zeppelin wrote:
Chester A. Arthur's father was a British subject at the time of the future president's birth, and there was a bit of a "birther" movement back then claiming he was actually born in Canada and not northern Vermont as claimed.

The "natural born citizen" argument is just a sad moving of goalposts that were fixed over a hundred years ago. The term appears exactly once in the Constitution and any other founding documents, so anyone who claims to say it's "obvious" what it means are simply pushing an agenda. It's especially funny since if it means what Orly Taitz and friends say it does, it means any president prior to Van Buren would have been constitutionally ineligible by those exact same standards.

WASHINGTON – California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.

On August 03 2009 13:06 Sunyveil wrote:


iirc the white house posted his birth certificate on the internet...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg

conservatives these days...

On August 03 2009 10:59 skronch wrote:

who the fuck else do you want in office? not saying that this is you necessarily, but all the people who think that if only we had the right president, all our problems will magically dissapear in half a year need to pull their heads out of their asses

On August 03 2009 13:26 redtooth wrote:
so is this guy boned?

On August 03 2009 13:26 redtooth wrote:
so is this guy boned?

On August 03 2009 13:28 Aegraen wrote:


That was a copy not the original. I had to furnish my birth certificate upon entering into the USCG, but yet the President of the US doesn't have to? No double standards there. Simply furnish the original and this whole arguement would be null and void. Then we can move on to the substantive issue of the 14th amendment and clarification of natural born citizen.

To be quite honest, I'd expect and want this of any President that has such an auspicious background. It is the damn law, the supreme law of the land which no one is above and damn well, will be abided by.

On August 03 2009 13:30 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I'd rather a true conservative or a libertarian get in office; definitely not the incompetent bumbling socialist wannabe that is Oh bam bam.

On August 03 2009 12:47 Aegraen wrote:
When you have people so willing to blow themselves up against America, it is not too far fetched for them to home grow a Manchurian Candidate. What other way to best destroy America than from the inside? In fact, that is the only way America will fail and is failing.

On August 03 2009 13:52 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:



http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Edit: People like you only look at one or two evidence that supports your conspiracy hypothesis while ignoring thousands of logical and proven evidence that prove you hypothesis wrong.

On August 03 2009 10:17 NicolBolas wrote:
It is truly shameless that these "birther" lunatics would try to pass off such an obvious forgery.



Have you seen his poll numbers these days? He wouldn't even carry California today, and they forcibly yanked someone out of the governorship to put his ass there 7 years ago.

After (as though it's over) the California budget mess, he'll be lucky not to get tarred and feathered and run out of the state. And that's only because California doesn't have a tradition of doing that.

On August 03 2009 12:47 Aegraen wrote:


That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying, per the law only a Natural born Citizen may become President. That is the only thing that matters, that is why we are a Republic, and why we have a Constitution that is the supreme law of the land. That is what makes this country so great.

You are entitled to all the freedoms and liberties america has to offer as with any other citizen, no more, no less, unless of course you fall under any categories in which the Government discriminates in based on creed, ethnicity, etc.

The point of the law is in John Jays explicit context. No Foreigners should have any proclivity to being so easily able to influence this country. If we were to amend and repel this pre-requisite then anyone who comes here as an illegal immigrant or otherwise yet a naturalized citizen and gives birth; their son or daughter can lawfully become the President. When you have people so willing to blow themselves up against America, it is not too far fetched for them to home grow a Manchurian Candidate. What other way to best destroy America than from the inside? In fact, that is the only way America will fail and is failing. I think having the most safe guards to prevent this scenario is a wise and just law. I guess you will disagree in the end, but I defer to the wisdom of my Founding Fathers and their timeless forethought.

On August 03 2009 12:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


For the love of God.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

On August 03 2009 17:03 Vedic wrote:

Are you even aware that Obama was chairman of the Annenberg Challenge?

On August 07 2009 00:11 Aegraen wrote:
I thought I would bring this up for some brevity.

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-debunks-birther-conspiracy.html


Have at it.

On August 03 2009 09:58 mptj wrote:
i hope he is because then maybe we can get someone capable in office. Once i see it on the news though ill get my hopes up.