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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
May 27 2009 17:14 GMT
#41
lifting buildings in perfectly legit strategy, there's always the chance his internet could go out or he breaks his computer in anger... I'm pretty surprised he just left in a ladder game though, that's pretty unusual.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
May 27 2009 18:13 GMT
#42
On May 28 2009 02:14 Jonoman92 wrote:
lifting buildings in perfectly legit strategy, there's always the chance his internet could go out or he breaks his computer in anger... I'm pretty surprised he just left in a ladder game though, that's pretty unusual.


I've also started doing it lately. If someone starts being lame as lifting buildings, lagging uncontrollably past 2 minutes or pausing for long, I usually just leave. I think most foreigners are taking iccup ladder way too seriously, it's just a tool for practise.
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HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
May 27 2009 19:38 GMT
#43
He couldn't have just made a scout or corsair to snipe your buildings? Fight to the end man!
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
May 27 2009 19:40 GMT
#44
i float my buildings alot when they cheese or gg for me.
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-27 19:51:36
May 27 2009 19:49 GMT
#45
On May 28 2009 04:40 arb wrote:
i float my buildings alot when they cheese or gg for me.


It's funny when people who can't defend cheese get all pissy about it, as if it is unfair in any way.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 27 2009 19:56 GMT
#46
On May 27 2009 13:42 omninmo wrote:
just goes to show that your opponent doesnt care about winning but rather playing.
if you get proxy gated and you have no marines to deal with it.. you lose. he just wanted to play. his strat beat yours and so he quit to do it again. the 50 points he lost means nothing to him since he prolly played 12 games after you lifted your CC... btw, where were you gonna relocate to? just GG and try again man


that argument is fine except the opposing player is being a douche, i would have done the same thing in his position and just alt-tabbed, talking after the game is w/e, talking during the game is just pointless douchebaggery.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 28 2009 11:24 GMT
#47
i dont know what a strawman argument is, to me its basically just a term people use during arguments so they dont have to explain themselves

lol nice strawman argument man

anyway, heres six paragraphs about my point again
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MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
May 28 2009 12:38 GMT
#48
On May 27 2009 12:28 Shattered wrote:
okay thanks everyone was really worried here ^_^



you won't get reported, but still you should be worried because of ur manners.
Because it WAS indeed very BM. I don't even understand how people can do such shit.

And even if he was BM before, what is this attitude to BM back?

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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
May 28 2009 13:37 GMT
#49
On May 28 2009 20:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i dont know what a strawman argument is, to me its basically just a term people use during arguments so they dont have to explain themselves

lol nice strawman argument man

anyway, heres six paragraphs about my point again


A strawman is the second most used fallacy by people and it's best defined as the following: "Disputing a position by exaggerating it, or otherwise distorting it. Pulling negative spin on an opponent's ideas."

Like comparing the saying 'two wrongs don't make a right' with someone randomly smashing you in the face and not being allowed to do anything back. I did actually point out why it was a strawman, I only accompanied it with the word strawman to make it easier for the other side to realize the weakness of the argument so the other person doesn't endlessly repeat the argument anyway.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-28 15:14:02
May 28 2009 15:12 GMT
#50
i once met an especially big asshole, i built an extarctor on every geyser i could and let him waste his time, and i gone to have lunch... some guys deserve it, not for ordinary cheese though...
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gettodaroflchoppa
Profile Joined May 2009
104 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-28 16:50:46
May 28 2009 16:49 GMT
#51
On May 27 2009 19:07 Nytefish wrote:
It's not about right or wrong it's about growing up and ignoring whatever bullshit some little nerd is flinging at you online.

Show nested quote +

Cases we won't be investigating:
- Not reported games due dischack or disc
- Opponent floating buildings
- Opponent not wanting to leave the game
- Opponent using manner pylon
- Game leaver before 2 mins
- Changing race right before game started
- Any bugs used during game
- All related ladder complaint issue


This is just one particular sub-forum, it doesn't mean icc ignores disc etc.


OP asked if he could be reported for bm. I quoted the subforum for BM reporting.

On May 27 2009 16:01 LxRogue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2009 14:58 writer22816 wrote:
On May 27 2009 14:54 coolcrimefighter wrote:
On May 27 2009 14:45 Mastermind wrote:
On May 27 2009 14:28 Patriot.dlk wrote:
why won't they investigate leaving before 2 minutes?

i like the 2 minute rule. it gives you enough time to determine if the game will be laggy so you can leave. Losing points for that would suck.

but if you scout their proxy or 4 pool/all in build within 2 minutes they can leave


So can you if you fail to fend it off


No you can't... By the time a 4 pool or any rush arrives at your base, it will be past 2 minutes.

I think iCCup does give wins if your opponent leaves under 2 mins and he was at a disadvantage, just not extra points for BM.

You don't get a win for reporting leavers under 2 minutes but they will be subtracted -100, and increased amounts of 100 per offense.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 28 2009 17:23 GMT
#52
On May 28 2009 22:37 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2009 20:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i dont know what a strawman argument is, to me its basically just a term people use during arguments so they dont have to explain themselves

lol nice strawman argument man

anyway, heres six paragraphs about my point again


A strawman is the second most used fallacy by people and it's best defined as the following: "Disputing a position by exaggerating it, or otherwise distorting it. Pulling negative spin on an opponent's ideas."

Like comparing the saying 'two wrongs don't make a right' with someone randomly smashing you in the face and not being allowed to do anything back. I did actually point out why it was a strawman, I only accompanied it with the word strawman to make it easier for the other side to realize the weakness of the argument so the other person doesn't endlessly repeat the argument anyway.


so why dont you tell them whats wrong with what they said instead of using a phrase that makes you look like an ass

(ps i know what a strawman argument is it just appears in every other post where people are arguing and im preeeeetty sick of it )
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
May 28 2009 18:05 GMT
#53
Strawman is just a bad analogy. Sometimes the guy calling a strawman is right and it's indeed a bad analogy. But sometimes the guy calling strawman is wrong because it was actually a good analogy that he just couldn't understand.

This time I do agree with Frits because it was indeed a ridiculously bad analogy that had nothing to do with the subject lol
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 28 2009 18:16 GMT
#54
if your opponent BMs I see nothing wrong with BMing back.

If people knew that initiating BM would lead to longer more annoying games and BM back at them they would be less likely to do it. Not BMing back is just being an enabler.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 28 2009 18:27 GMT
#55
On May 29 2009 03:05 VIB wrote:
Strawman is just a bad analogy. Sometimes the guy calling a strawman is right and it's indeed a bad analogy. But sometimes the guy calling strawman is wrong because it was actually a good analogy that he just couldn't understand.

This time I do agree with Frits because it was indeed a ridiculously bad analogy that had nothing to do with the subject lol


the phrase itself is what's annoying
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
May 28 2009 19:50 GMT
#56
I love strawmen !!

WHAT THE FUCK!

Without them I could never be considered well endowed....

Steve your a bad person, nothing done in game besides vulture drops can be called bm.

Strawmen > tinmen 2-0 GG NO RE, Neck Snap EZ noob.
ishob
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Norway143 Posts
May 28 2009 21:47 GMT
#57
On May 28 2009 00:16 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2009 22:55 ishob wrote:
On May 27 2009 18:13 jello_biafra wrote:
On May 27 2009 17:35 ishob wrote:
On May 27 2009 17:02 jello_biafra wrote:
If they initiate the BM then you're free to do as you like.


Since when did two wrongs make one right?

So if you were to walk up to me and punch me in the face, I couldn't hit you back because "two wrongs don't make a right"? BS


I guess you've never heard of being the bigger man.

Of course I have, that doesn't mean I'd just walk away if attacked by some guy, that would be called being the pussy.

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2009 23:09 Frits wrote:
On May 27 2009 18:13 jello_biafra wrote:
On May 27 2009 17:35 ishob wrote:
On May 27 2009 17:02 jello_biafra wrote:
If they initiate the BM then you're free to do as you like.


Since when did two wrongs make one right?

So if you were to walk up to me and punch me in the face, I couldn't hit you back because "two wrongs don't make a right"? BS


I love it when people use strawmen like these, because people walk up to eachother and punch eachother in the face for no reason on a daily basis, great example, not to mention that would be called self defense. Hitting him out of revenge after the incident would definately be wrong.

Maybe you should adopt a less egotistical philosophy instead simply of obeying your primal urges as if they constitute morality.

Actually I was very recently punched in the face by some guy for no reason whatsoever, that's why I used it as an example, my point was that his gay little idiom thing, while technically true, will deliver injustice in many instances.


The two hardly compare you know. And even if someone were to punch you in the face why would you hit back? I've been punched several times for no reason because i work part-time as a bouncer, but I've never punched anyone back.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-28 23:25:08
May 28 2009 23:22 GMT
#58
On May 28 2009 22:37 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2009 20:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i dont know what a strawman argument is, to me its basically just a term people use during arguments so they dont have to explain themselves

lol nice strawman argument man

anyway, heres six paragraphs about my point again


A strawman is the second most used fallacy by people and it's best defined as the following: "Disputing a position by exaggerating it, or otherwise distorting it. Pulling negative spin on an opponent's ideas."

Like comparing the saying 'two wrongs don't make a right' with someone randomly smashing you in the face and not being allowed to do anything back. I did actually point out why it was a strawman, I only accompanied it with the word strawman to make it easier for the other side to realize the weakness of the argument so the other person doesn't endlessly repeat the argument anyway.

Dude... That's probably the worst way to define a strawman argument... Strawman argument is just when you compare an argument to something else, and then attack the something else instead of the argument (hence the name ). It has nothing to do with distorting the argument, it's ignoring the argument altogether.

EX: 1: two wrongs don't make a right
2: saying two wrongs don't make a right is like saying -2 x -2 doesn't equal 4, and that's clearly wrong.
1: What?

Person one is obviously talking about moral issues. Person two then claims that person one's argument is just like this other argument, and then proceeds to claim victory attacking the much weaker, but irrelevant argument.

@ OP... If you would have done that whether he called you a noob or not, you're a BM little jerkoff... There's no way you can come back from something like that... However... Whenever someone offensive gg's or is otherwise 'verbally' insulting you, you can pretty much do whatever you want and call it karma. Their strategy and what they chose to build (proxy gateway cheese) is not a reason to do this though.
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Shattered
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States267 Posts
May 29 2009 00:21 GMT
#59
On May 29 2009 08:22 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2009 22:37 Frits wrote:
On May 28 2009 20:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i dont know what a strawman argument is, to me its basically just a term people use during arguments so they dont have to explain themselves

lol nice strawman argument man

anyway, heres six paragraphs about my point again


A strawman is the second most used fallacy by people and it's best defined as the following: "Disputing a position by exaggerating it, or otherwise distorting it. Pulling negative spin on an opponent's ideas."

Like comparing the saying 'two wrongs don't make a right' with someone randomly smashing you in the face and not being allowed to do anything back. I did actually point out why it was a strawman, I only accompanied it with the word strawman to make it easier for the other side to realize the weakness of the argument so the other person doesn't endlessly repeat the argument anyway.


@ OP... If you would have done that whether he called you a noob or not, you're a BM little jerkoff... There's no way you can come back from something like that... However... Whenever someone offensive gg's or is otherwise 'verbally' insulting you, you can pretty much do whatever you want and call it karma. Their strategy and what they chose to build (proxy gateway cheese) is not a reason to do this though.


did u read the part where he was doing both :/?

he did a gay proxy gate wich is very annoying and before that he asked where i was from so i said usa and he said lol noob usa noob.

so it was a combo of both of those things
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6638 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-29 14:27:47
May 29 2009 14:18 GMT
#60
On May 29 2009 06:47 ishob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2009 00:16 jello_biafra wrote:
On May 27 2009 22:55 ishob wrote:
On May 27 2009 18:13 jello_biafra wrote:
On May 27 2009 17:35 ishob wrote:
On May 27 2009 17:02 jello_biafra wrote:
If they initiate the BM then you're free to do as you like.


Since when did two wrongs make one right?

So if you were to walk up to me and punch me in the face, I couldn't hit you back because "two wrongs don't make a right"? BS


I guess you've never heard of being the bigger man.

Of course I have, that doesn't mean I'd just walk away if attacked by some guy, that would be called being the pussy.

On May 27 2009 23:09 Frits wrote:
On May 27 2009 18:13 jello_biafra wrote:
On May 27 2009 17:35 ishob wrote:
On May 27 2009 17:02 jello_biafra wrote:
If they initiate the BM then you're free to do as you like.


Since when did two wrongs make one right?

So if you were to walk up to me and punch me in the face, I couldn't hit you back because "two wrongs don't make a right"? BS


I love it when people use strawmen like these, because people walk up to eachother and punch eachother in the face for no reason on a daily basis, great example, not to mention that would be called self defense. Hitting him out of revenge after the incident would definately be wrong.

Maybe you should adopt a less egotistical philosophy instead simply of obeying your primal urges as if they constitute morality.

Actually I was very recently punched in the face by some guy for no reason whatsoever, that's why I used it as an example, my point was that his gay little idiom thing, while technically true, will deliver injustice in many instances.


The two hardly compare you know. And even if someone were to punch you in the face why would you hit back? I've been punched several times for no reason because i work part-time as a bouncer, but I've never punched anyone back.

No in terms of seriousness they don't compare, but the principle is the same and the point remains, if someone punches you in the face you're ENTITLED to hit them back, if someone BMs you you're ENTITLED to BM back, simple fact.
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