• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:21
CEST 14:21
KST 21:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!17Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)84Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!18
StarCraft 2
General
August World Ranking Watchlist: Serral back to #1? How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
Animated Gateway BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion HORROR STARCRAFT MOVIE How Famous was FlaSh before his Debut?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Role of Gaming on Mental Hea…
TrAiDoS
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11239 users

PvT@Destination

Blogs > Racenilatr
Post a Reply
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
March 18 2009 22:09 GMT
#1




For the sake of learning, I would like some help as how I won this game. I was literally very shocked when he moved out yet I survived taking little damage. For a 4 fac push, do you want to \"hard push\" or \"soft push\" so you can get to the base quicker before any reinforcements come? Somehow I don\'t think this guy used a 4 fac push correctly and he should have taken a third much earlier.

Also for self improvement, I really really really need to practice using arbiters, making arbiters, and using stasis because that really is preventing me from being able to play at higher levels of PvT

Also a further side note, could someone help me forward my router? My dad got a new one and I can't host/obs games on starcraft because my ports won't forward.

http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/WRT310N/Starcraft.htm I followed those directions, I have a WRT310N linkys router and I have tried turning my firewall on and off to see if that interfered with the ports. I need help! Otherwise I think I'll kill myself from lack of starcraft


*
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
March 18 2009 22:47 GMT
#2
Eh I don't really see the point in trying to learn what you did right, because clearly you already know it and it worked -.- Better off to spend that time learning what you did wrong in games you lost.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
March 18 2009 22:56 GMT
#3
It's so something like this doesn't happen by chance again and I know the reason I won. I was 100% sure I was going to lose too
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
March 18 2009 23:16 GMT
#4
On March 19 2009 07:47 Resonance wrote:
Eh I don't really see the point in trying to learn what you did right, because clearly you already know it and it worked -.- Better off to spend that time learning what you did wrong in games you lost.


I disagree with the notion of not reviewing replays you won, and I hear it repeated here quite often (so not just you personally). I think there's a great benefit from reviewing both. With the wins, see what you did that changed the tide or what you did to gain an advantage. Maybe you'll notice some weaknesses in your average opponents against certain types of play. And even if you won, you can still find some things you did wrong or could have done better.
Undefeated TL Tecmo Super Bowl League Champion
xhuwin
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States476 Posts
March 18 2009 23:17 GMT
#5
4 fac pushes are designed to kill fast thirds... but when he moved out, he seiged up instead of hitting you. I can't tell if he scanned your third or not but assuming he knew you had a third, probably would have chosen 4 or 5 fact. I was surprised by how few units he had after you killed his first move. I think you won priamrily because you just out macroed him. Though he did do a lot of damage early with vultures...do you have the replay? How was his macro?

From the FPVOD it's also kind of hard to know exactly how many facts he did, especially because you can't see when he took HIS third.

I just started learning pvt with arbiters these last two weeks so I'm kind of in the same boat as you. From the little experience I have:
using arbiters: stasis to stop his first push, freeze the tanks in the back
making arbiters: you seem to know how to do this =P
recall: use the obs that you sneak in early game, the one by the factories, and see if. Try to recall over the armories. Killing depots and ccs of course. I don't know about factories; I always feel that it takes too long to kill a factory, but I guess if you can snipe the tanks that spawn to keep his tank count low. In general at my level, I use recall to keep T off balance, not really to do substantial damage, though if T doesn't react / clean up the recall, you can destroy a lot of infrastructure.

I haven't played a good pvt on destination yet, but for 4 player maps, having stargates at two different mains helps immensely because you can recall on pretty much every terran base. (Flanking attacks from your rallies also helps a lot, on say python).
xyn
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
March 18 2009 23:33 GMT
#6
http://files.filefront.com/0067 D11desti NaNMaT RacePrep/;13490208;/fileinfo.html

fuck I have to make a static IP adress for my router to port forward AND I can't do it because I don't know the 10 digit number that my internet uses -.-
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
March 19 2009 00:27 GMT
#7
there is no such thing as a 4 fac push. Its 5 fac or more. 4 fac pushes should never kill you and are designed for double expo builds.

To the OP, work on not doing useless clicks on your gateways and probes at your expos, you click on THE DUMBEST SHIT like fifty times for no reason. Make all your units at the same time too, never have them staggered.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 19 2009 00:29 GMT
#8
lol where the hell were his vultures?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
March 19 2009 00:31 GMT
#9
On March 19 2009 09:27 Hypnosis wrote:
there is no such thing as a 4 fac push. Its 5 fac or more. 4 fac pushes should never kill you and are designed for double expo builds.

To the OP, work on not doing useless clicks on your gateways and probes at your expos, you click on THE DUMBEST SHIT like fifty times for no reason. Make all your units at the same time too, never have them staggered.

4 fac pushes can work in the right situations
hell 2 fac pushes can work in the right situations
if your opponent double expos or techs fast enough then waiting for too many facs will kill your timing.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 19 2009 00:33 GMT
#10
On March 19 2009 09:31 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2009 09:27 Hypnosis wrote:
there is no such thing as a 4 fac push. Its 5 fac or more. 4 fac pushes should never kill you and are designed for double expo builds.

To the OP, work on not doing useless clicks on your gateways and probes at your expos, you click on THE DUMBEST SHIT like fifty times for no reason. Make all your units at the same time too, never have them staggered.

4 fac pushes can work in the right situations
hell 2 fac pushes can work in the right situations
if your opponent double expos or techs fast enough then waiting for too many facs will kill your timing.

Now that you mention it didnt boxer use a 4fact push to kill rekrul in a game?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
March 19 2009 00:55 GMT
#11
LOL when was that?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 19 2009 01:32 GMT
#12
On March 19 2009 09:55 Racenilatr wrote:
LOL when was that?

there used to be a replay of it on the site im not sure if its still here
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
March 19 2009 01:53 GMT
#13
On March 19 2009 09:31 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2009 09:27 Hypnosis wrote:
there is no such thing as a 4 fac push. Its 5 fac or more. 4 fac pushes should never kill you and are designed for double expo builds.

To the OP, work on not doing useless clicks on your gateways and probes at your expos, you click on THE DUMBEST SHIT like fifty times for no reason. Make all your units at the same time too, never have them staggered.

4 fac pushes can work in the right situations
hell 2 fac pushes can work in the right situations
if your opponent double expos or techs fast enough then waiting for too many facs will kill your timing.


I understand this, but I would say waiting for the 5th and/or 6th fac is better in general. 4 fac is just an accelerated 5 fac push that relies on a small window, it it doesnt work you are kinda dead but you can win with it too. 5 fac is a smoother transition to mid game.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
11:00
2026 Week 16
IntoTheiNu 1256
WardiTV511
RotterdaM425
Ryung 197
TKL 159
SteadfastSC106
Rex98
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 425
Ryung 197
TKL 159
SteadfastSC 106
Rex 98
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3587
Bisu 2382
Jaedong 779
Horang2 696
BeSt 674
Soma 621
Snow 277
firebathero 262
Leta 249
EffOrt 236
[ Show more ]
Mini 227
Hyun 201
Rush 191
Stork 190
Light 166
Zeus 147
Last 137
Killer 129
Dewaltoss 124
Soulkey 123
Pusan 116
ZerO 113
ggaemo 98
Mong 78
hero 46
Mind 45
ToSsGirL 42
[sc1f]eonzerg 41
sorry 41
NaDa 31
Aegong 26
Icarus 24
JYJ 20
JulyZerg 20
Hm[arnc] 16
Sacsri 16
Sexy 15
GoRush 15
Movie 14
yabsab 12
Yoon 10
Nal_rA 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
Noble 8
Rain 0
Dota 2
XcaliburYe255
League of Legends
KnowMe18
Counter-Strike
fl0m2155
byalli303
Other Games
FrodaN3215
singsing1455
B2W.Neo610
Lowko401
uThermal266
Liquid`LucifroN175
hiko157
Pyrionflax145
ArmadaUGS84
Trikslyr37
CosmosSc2 20
ZerO(Twitch)12
Mlord0
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 17
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2009
League of Legends
• Stunt643
• TFBlade538
Upcoming Events
OSC
11h 39m
CrankTV Team League
22h 39m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
CrankTV Team League
1d 22h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Serral vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
Online Event
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Clem vs ByuN
Rogue vs Lambo
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-21
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.