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DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
March 06 2009 16:40 GMT
#1
I bought a new laptop and its sort of capable of running most current games with this ATI Radeon 4350 HD 512MB. So I am searching now for good play on the pc, I am a fan of RTS(obviously), FPS, and RPG. Would anyone recommend anything for me to try out?

***
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
March 06 2009 16:44 GMT
#2
Starcraft
DotA
Kotor
Hmm... WoW is fun in the right guilds ;P
mmm.... Doom 3 with lights off good sound system/monitor/small dark room
Bioshock was nice too....
as was Call of Duty, whatever the latest one is

And otherwise I'm not very up to date with games
Sanity.
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States704 Posts
March 06 2009 16:56 GMT
#3
left 4 dead is great with friends.
hazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom570 Posts
March 06 2009 17:00 GMT
#4
TF2 is nice for some casual fun
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
March 06 2009 17:08 GMT
#5
Dont' forget ZSNES.
You'd just need to find some roms.
SNES games are awsome.
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LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
March 06 2009 17:09 GMT
#6
Acronyms don't help anyone if they don't already know the games.
Chains none
bludragen88
Profile Joined August 2008
United States527 Posts
March 06 2009 17:12 GMT
#7
On March 07 2009 02:08 Trozz wrote:
Dont' forget ZSNES.
You'd just need to find some roms.
SNES games are awsome.


+100. First thing I did when I got a new computer. If you need roms of great games I can send them to you.
Sanity.
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States704 Posts
March 06 2009 17:33 GMT
#8
On March 07 2009 02:12 bludragen88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2009 02:08 Trozz wrote:
Dont' forget ZSNES.
You'd just need to find some roms.
SNES games are awsome.


+100. First thing I did when I got a new computer. If you need roms of great games I can send them to you.
ill +1 that too... and you can get a pack of like every game on virtually any big torrent site.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
March 06 2009 17:45 GMT
#9
If you're big on FPS's, Call of Duty is a must... either the latest (CoD5, World at War - incredible graphics), or the prior one (CoD4, Modern Warfare - incredible gameplay) are worth getting.
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Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
March 06 2009 17:46 GMT
#10
On March 07 2009 02:12 bludragen88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2009 02:08 Trozz wrote:
Dont' forget ZSNES.
You'd just need to find some roms.
SNES games are awsome.


+100. First thing I did when I got a new computer. If you need roms of great games I can send them to you.

Want my address?
No no no no its not mine!
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
March 06 2009 17:52 GMT
#11
rpgs:
Not new but great Gothic, and Gothic 2 - little specific you can find demo to see if you like it, seems to be love or hate for many.
The Witcher - there is also a demo.
armed_
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada443 Posts
March 06 2009 17:57 GMT
#12
Are you new to PC gaming in general, or do you just want recent games?
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
March 06 2009 18:00 GMT
#13
Fallout 3
Oblivion

I usually don't like that many one player games unless its a good story RPG or I can run around and do whatever I want. The story in Oblivion is kinda weak but both those games are entirely open ended so it's great to just sit down and chill. Fallout 3 is cool and looks amazing.
Nak Allstar.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8166 Posts
March 06 2009 18:11 GMT
#14
orange box
crysis
left 4 dead

ehhh
dawn of war 2 /world in conflict if you like new RTSs that arent as good as SC but still cool (I also hear the new empire total war game's demo that just came out is cool)
Free Palestine
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 18:48:22
March 06 2009 18:16 GMT
#15
Old games are the best.

Rpgs:
Baldur's Gate 1-2 / Planescape Torment.
Baldur's Gate has the best ratio between dialogs/awesome scenario/epic battles imo.
Planescape has the weirdest universe in all Rpgs and is really dialog oriented.

FPS-RPG hybrid:
Deus Ex 1: Killer game. The only thing bad about this game is the graphics ( and for me it isn't a problem ). Everything else is just so good. Level design, scenario, music, characters. Even 8 years later very few games are as good.

Turn based game:
Civilisation 2-3 ( 4 is ok too but it isn't my fav ).

FPS:
Ut99 for life <3.
I would play just for the music
edit: <3<3<3 + Show Spoiler +


If you are a geek + hardcore gamer try dwar fortress ( deepest RTS/gestion game ever made ). Even if it has the worst graphics on this lists ( ASCII lol ) you will need a good comp to run without lag. Also you can always try to dl a graphic pack if you really hate ASCII.
+ it is free :p

You can get easily all this games. They are all cheap and easy to find. ( except maybe Torment but you can torrent it anyway i don't think it really matter because Black Isle is dead )


fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
March 06 2009 18:18 GMT
#16
If you haven't played KOTOR, do it. Just the first one, though.
Oblivion is fun for quite a while.
GuildWars is sort of a hybrid of all the game genres you mentioned, though it's not forgiving to newcomers, and has too many expansions (that you don't need to buy, honestly. Having the original is enough for many, many hours of playtime.)
World of Goo! Short, fun puzzler.
If you're looking for something different in the FPS genre, and by different I mean lightning fast, look at Nexuiz. And by lightning fast, I mean quake3 has absolutely nothing on this game. Has an interesting learning curve (mostly as you figure out how to move very, very, very fast.) Fast.
Civ4 is still brilliant.

I prefer over-the-table games to PC ones, though. Magic and chess.
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Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-07 03:04:32
March 06 2009 18:20 GMT
#17
Some games off the top of my head:
+ Show Spoiler +

a * next to the game means that it has nice graphics and will make full use of your videocard.
a @ next to the game indicates a game that I found to be good but not unique (boring after a bit)
FPS
*Bioshock - FPS with RPG elements. Good story. Nice graphics.
Half-life 1 and *HL2 - Sci-fi FPS. Good story. Good gameplay. Excellent mods made with engines.
HL1 Mods
Science and Industry - Premise is to capture enemy scientists to make more money than your rival company. The more scientists you have, the faster you research technology of your choice to kill the enemy. There are additional ways to make money depending on the map.
Natural Seleciton - FPS/RTS hybrid. Humans vs aliens. Human team has one commander
(RTS) that places structures and the FPS team members build them and kill the aliens. Aliens don't have a commander but they can choose a builder-unit to place structures in first person.

Counter-Strike and *CS:Source - FPS. Basic terrorist vs counter-terrorist shooter. Not a mod anymore since it's sold seperately but based on HL1 engine. Source version HL2 engine.
Day of Defeat and OD:Source - WWII FPS. Same deal as CS and CS:S.
HL2 Mods
ystopia - Sci-fi FPS. Cyberpunk game where Punks are trying to hack/break into Corps stuff to complete objectives. To get into cyberspace to hack you need to find a jack-in point (computer terminal) and so the two "worlds" are well connected. Classes are fairly customizable for different tactics.
*@Pirates Vikings and Knights 2 - Remake of PVK for HL1. Very nice graphics. Basic deathmatch between three sides.

*Left 4 Dead (L4D) - Co-op FPS. Lots of fun with friends.
*Team Fortress 2 (TF2) - Teamplay FPS. Different gamemodes from Team Fortress classic and it plays out quite a bit differently. Cartoony feel.
*@Call of Duty 4 - Modern day FPS
*@Battlefield 2 - Another shooter like call of duty. 2142 is the sci-fi version. Neither BF2 or CoD are unique so I got bored of them.

Other
*@Assassin's Creed - Action game, I guess. Cool graphics. Unique gameplay.
*@Prince of Persia - Platform game, I guess. Cool graphics.
Aquaria - Adventure game. 2D with nice graphics. Cool movement and story.
Armadillo Run - Puzzle game where you make devices to get a ball from one place to another. Realistic physics.
Subspace (a.k.a. Continuum) - Spaceship shooter. Not new, not good graphics.
Escape Velocity Nova - Spaceship RPG. 2D but very fun. If you want something newer try Freelancer.
Portal - puzzle game.

RTS
Metal Fatigue - Older RTS. Gameworld is split into three levels: air, land, and underground. Each level is important to control for different reasons. Regular C&C style RTS except you can make customizable mechs as well. Your mechs are your main fighting unit except they can't fit underground, which is where you have to use tanks.
NetStorm - I wrote a blog about it here. Only RTS I've ever played as seriously as SC because it has large room for perfection.
Dawn of War - RTS where you capture control points for resources. Most squads are customizable and reinforceable. Lots of races.
*@Dawn of War 2 - More tactical version of Dawn of War. Don't have a base to manage and instead you control a few squads of units that have many abilities.
*Company of Heroes - Very similar to Dawn of War except it's WWII instead of sci-fi.
RPG
*The Witcher - Only good new RPG I've played. Quite long.
*@Knights of the Old Republic 2 - Pretty decent. Heard 1 was better but it doesn't have as nice graphics if you care.
*Sacred 2 - an RPG similar to diablo 2. It has much nicer graphics, completely different classes, and a more open world. You can also get mounts and customize your skills.

Hybrids - the first genre mentioned is the major one
*@Fallout 3 - RPG/FPS (or TPS) elements. Open world compared to Bioshock which is linear. Also, more of an RPG than Bioshock.
*@Oblivion - Same thing as Fallout 3 but medieval.
Heroes of Annihilated Empires - Fun RTS/RPG hybrid that's fun to play with friends. Little buggy and imbalanced but it's still very fun.
Savage 2 - FPS(or TPS)/RTS hybrid. It's "free" now and runs on win+linux+mac, so worth checking out. Similar to natural selection, main difference is that it's beast vs humans instead of aliens vs humans.
Mount & Blade - Medieval FPS(or TPS) RPG. Good combination of commanding army and fighting as a soldier.

These are some games that I've found enjoyable. It really depends on the style of game you want to play as each one is unique. The one's I called repetitive I didn't bother beating but they're still fun games. For this reason, I didn't list many RPGs (really only Fallout 3 and Mount & Blade) because I get bored of them as none are unique.

I would suggest downloading Steam and looking at the valve games for FPS (L4D, CS, DOD, TF2) and buying HL1 and HL2 for their great gameplay and excellent free mods. For RTS, I would suggest NetStorm as it's unique and SC players tend to like it. However, it's not demanding on your new computer so you could try Dawn of War 2. The only RPG that I actually got into was The Witcher and it's excellent or try an FPS/RPG hybrid like Bioshock, Fallout3, or Oblivion.

Edit: My post got a lot longer than I expected. Spoiler'd.
Edit2: Also added some games that other people mentioned and I forgot.
hugitout
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
March 06 2009 18:30 GMT
#18
battlefield 2
feathers
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States236 Posts
March 06 2009 18:32 GMT
#19
company of heroes is good.
Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
March 06 2009 18:33 GMT
#20
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 07 2009 03:16 Boblion wrote:
Old games are the best.

Rpgs:
Baldur's Gate 1-2 / Planescape Torment.
Baldur's Gate has the best ratio between dialogs/awesome scenario/epic battles imo.
Planescape has the weirdest universe in all Rpgs and is really dialog oriented.

FPS-RPG hybrid:
Deus Ex 1: Killer game. The only thing bad about this game is the graphics ( and for me it isn't a problem ). Everything else is just so good. Level design, scenario, music, characters. Even 8 years later very few games are as good.

Turn based game:
Civilisation 2-3 ( 4 is ok too but it isn't my fav ).

FPS:
Ut99 for life <3.
I would play just for the music

If you are a geek + hardcore gamer try dwar fortress ( deepest RTS/gestion game ever made ). Even if it has the worst graphics on this lists ( ASCII lol ) you will need a good comp to run without lag. Also you can always try to dl a graphic pack if you really hate ASCII.
+ it is free :p

You can get easily all this games. They are all cheap and easy to find. ( except maybe Torment but you can torrent it anyway i don't think it really matter because Black Isle is dead )




Gonna second the Deus Ex 1 mention. Must play game imo.
defenestrate
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
March 06 2009 18:56 GMT
#21
Dosbox + Master of Orion 1. Probably the most time-sucking single player I've played since HoMM2. Best economy/research model ever.
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0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
March 06 2009 19:31 GMT
#22
- Planescape: Torment
- Baldur's Gate 1+2
- Deus Ex 1
- Thief 1+2
- Jagged Alliance 2
If you haven't played *all* of the games mentioned above, kill yourself now.

More recent great games:
- Portal
- Bioshock
- Fallout 3
- The Dark Eye: Drakensang
boongee
Profile Joined November 2004
United States967 Posts
March 06 2009 19:32 GMT
#23
KOTOR
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 06 2009 19:41 GMT
#24
Deus Ex.

DO IT.

What a great fucking game.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 22:26:34
March 06 2009 19:49 GMT
#25
FPS
Quake 3, Unreal Tournament 2004

RTS
Total Annihilation, Red Alert : Tiberian Sun
AoE II: Conquerer's Expansion

TBS
Heroes of Might and Magic III (Complete set)
Masters of Orion series (I think 1 or 2 was the best, probably 2)
Civilization 3
Peace~
ilistis
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States828 Posts
March 06 2009 20:07 GMT
#26
I have a text file full of games I've played/have not played/need to play. These games are more recent but still good nonetheless.

world of goo
far cry 2
call of duty world at war
'Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3
'Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Colonization'
'Left 4 Dead'
1) Empire: Total War

5) Rise of the Argonauts

9) Sins of a Solar Empire

10) The Agency

Prince of Persia
FEAR



mirror's edge

Team games

NBa 2k9
Pure
Worldwide Soccer Manager 2009
motohp 08

Games to play:

Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir
Tomb Raider: Underworld

King's Bounty: The Legend
Project Aftermath
X3: Terran Conflict
motohp 08
STALKER: Clear Sky
#7. S.T.A.L.K.E.R: Shadow of Chernobyl

The Witcher: Enhanced Edition
Bionic Commando Rearmed

Lost Planet Colonies
GRID

Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Soulstorm
The Dawn of War jug

Unreal Tournament III
Portal


Rpgs to play:
the witcher
sacred 2 fallen angel
Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir
fallout 3
the elder scrolls oblivion

2007 rpgs:

1.The Witcher
2.Oblivion: Shivering Isles
3.Mythos
4.Hellgate: London
5.Titan Quest: Immortal Throne


recent games-

warhammer 40k:dow II
drakensang
empire:total war
street fighter 4
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Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 20:22:58
March 06 2009 20:21 GMT
#27
Try Gothic/Gothic 2 little specific hate or love for many people, there is a demo:
http://www.worldofgothic.com/dl/?go=dlfile&fileid=57 ~230mb, use original controls they are good when you get used to them, fighting is timed based so don't spam attack and you will be fine, only changes: bind z/x to strafe.

Mount & Blade, while game lacks in context it s worth to check just for a fight system, there is also a demo.

The Witcher -new crpg.
Xiberia
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden634 Posts
March 06 2009 21:13 GMT
#28
DEUS EX
XejO
Profile Joined October 2007
Czech Republic9 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 22:58:56
March 06 2009 22:58 GMT
#29
i'm playing Neverwinter Nights 2 now, it's quite good game. but of course if you haven't played Baldur's Gate or Planescape Torment (best game ever made ) try these.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
March 06 2009 23:03 GMT
#30
Fallout 3 is pretty awsome in very high graphics <3
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 23:22:50
March 06 2009 23:21 GMT
#31
On March 07 2009 03:16 Boblion wrote:
Old games are the best.

Rpgs:
Baldur's Gate 1-2 / Planescape Torment.
Baldur's Gate has the best ratio between dialogs/awesome scenario/epic battles imo.
Planescape has the weirdest universe in all Rpgs and is really dialog oriented.

FPS-RPG hybrid:
Deus Ex 1: Killer game. The only thing bad about this game is the graphics ( and for me it isn't a problem ). Everything else is just so good. Level design, scenario, music, characters. Even 8 years later very few games are as good.

Turn based game:
Civilisation 2-3 ( 4 is ok too but it isn't my fav ).

FPS:
Ut99 for life <3.
I would play just for the music
edit: <3<3<3 + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBnaKD7CU6M&feature=related


If you are a geek + hardcore gamer try dwar fortress ( deepest RTS/gestion game ever made ). Even if it has the worst graphics on this lists ( ASCII lol ) you will need a good comp to run without lag. Also you can always try to dl a graphic pack if you really hate ASCII.
+ it is free :p

You can get easily all this games. They are all cheap and easy to find. ( except maybe Torment but you can torrent it anyway i don't think it really matter because Black Isle is dead )



OMG you stole every game I was going to recommend.

All I have to add is:
Civilization 2 > Civilization 4 > Civilization 3

Edit: I think its funny that almost all the games that have been recommended don't need anything close to modern hardware to play.
Moderator
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
March 06 2009 23:48 GMT
#32
Deus Ex

zomg
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
March 07 2009 01:23 GMT
#33
Yay for deus ex!!

Just dont go near its sequel.

Id reccommend the Civ games. Play Civ 4 if your newish to the game. Theres debate over which is best, but they are all really good and Civ 4 wont dissapoint. Lots of strategy and learning to be had with that one.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
March 07 2009 01:43 GMT
#34
On March 07 2009 08:21 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2009 03:16 Boblion wrote:
Old games are the best.

Rpgs:
Baldur's Gate 1-2 / Planescape Torment.
Baldur's Gate has the best ratio between dialogs/awesome scenario/epic battles imo.
Planescape has the weirdest universe in all Rpgs and is really dialog oriented.

FPS-RPG hybrid:
Deus Ex 1: Killer game. The only thing bad about this game is the graphics ( and for me it isn't a problem ). Everything else is just so good. Level design, scenario, music, characters. Even 8 years later very few games are as good.

Turn based game:
Civilisation 2-3 ( 4 is ok too but it isn't my fav ).

FPS:
Ut99 for life <3.
I would play just for the music
edit: <3<3<3 + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBnaKD7CU6M&feature=related


If you are a geek + hardcore gamer try dwar fortress ( deepest RTS/gestion game ever made ). Even if it has the worst graphics on this lists ( ASCII lol ) you will need a good comp to run without lag. Also you can always try to dl a graphic pack if you really hate ASCII.
+ it is free :p

You can get easily all this games. They are all cheap and easy to find. ( except maybe Torment but you can torrent it anyway i don't think it really matter because Black Isle is dead )



OMG you stole every game I was going to recommend.

All I have to add is:
Civilization 2 > Civilization 4 > Civilization 3

Edit: I think its funny that almost all the games that have been recommended don't need anything close to modern hardware to play.

Because old games are the best.

BTW.

2 > 3 > 4 sorry.
Peace~
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
March 07 2009 01:53 GMT
#35
Fallout 3 - FPS/RPG
Devil May Cry 3 - Action RPG
Dead Space - FPS/RPG
Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare - Most amazing single player campaign of any FPS I've ever played.
Far Cry 2
Gears of War and Bioshock are quite good too even though they're a bit 'old'.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
March 07 2009 02:23 GMT
#36
Deus ex is an obvious choice.

As for snes roms zelda 3 and chrono trigger are guaranteed to be awesome.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-07 03:31:18
March 07 2009 03:30 GMT
#37
On March 07 2009 10:43 fanatacist wrote:
BTW.

2 > 3 > 4 sorry.

Its probably de-railing, but I'd like to know why you think this? I thought 3 introduced a lot of good concepts, but they seemed to be really unpolished. Special resources were a good idea, but there were too many of them, so they got cumbersome by the end of the game. A lot of victory conditions were kind of screwy too. Its really stupid if you have to intentionally retard the culture of your cities if you want a late-game victory thats not a culture victory (almost every time I wanted to try space victory, I got culture first on accident because spreading culture was way too easy).

Then again, Civ 4 has its crazy balance issues. Chop rushing > all before Prince, and Incans > all after Prince.

Still, I'd say in spite of all that, there's one reason why I'd say Civ 4 is better: more and more developed MODS.

If you think Civ 3 > Civ 4, you clearly haven't played enough Civ 4 mods.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
March 07 2009 06:12 GMT
#38
On March 07 2009 12:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2009 10:43 fanatacist wrote:
BTW.

2 > 3 > 4 sorry.

Its probably de-railing, but I'd like to know why you think this? I thought 3 introduced a lot of good concepts, but they seemed to be really unpolished. Special resources were a good idea, but there were too many of them, so they got cumbersome by the end of the game. A lot of victory conditions were kind of screwy too. Its really stupid if you have to intentionally retard the culture of your cities if you want a late-game victory thats not a culture victory (almost every time I wanted to try space victory, I got culture first on accident because spreading culture was way too easy).

Then again, Civ 4 has its crazy balance issues. Chop rushing > all before Prince, and Incans > all after Prince.

Still, I'd say in spite of all that, there's one reason why I'd say Civ 4 is better: more and more developed MODS.

If you think Civ 3 > Civ 4, you clearly haven't played enough Civ 4 mods.

I have played 0 mods. So you may be correct. The stand-alone game itself I think is superior. Civ 4 is way too imbalanced compared to 2 and 3. That was my major issue, as well as the dumbing down of resource management. Also I got the sense that AI difficulty was kind of capped, Civ 2/3 AI always seemed stronger to me, but that is just imo.
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Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 07 2009 08:52 GMT
#39
On March 07 2009 15:12 fanatacist wrote:
I have played 0 mods. So you may be correct. The stand-alone game itself I think is superior. Civ 4 is way too imbalanced compared to 2 and 3. That was my major issue, as well as the dumbing down of resource management. Also I got the sense that AI difficulty was kind of capped, Civ 2/3 AI always seemed stronger to me, but that is just imo.

I agree with your assessment of balance issues, though, IMO that doesn't make a game (particularly given that its entirely irrelevant to mods). I'm curious what you mean about dumbing down resource management. Civ 2 definitely has the most simplified resource management scheme of all of them. Civ 4 is less complex than Civ 3, but at the same time I feel the system is more polished.

In regards to the AI, did you play vanilla or with Beyond the Sword? Because Beyond the Sword gives the AI a pretty substantial update (I think its also available as an add-in to vanilla Civ 4).
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Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
March 07 2009 11:48 GMT
#40
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March 07 2009 20:18 GMT
#41
On March 07 2009 17:52 TheYango wrote:
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On March 07 2009 15:12 fanatacist wrote:
I have played 0 mods. So you may be correct. The stand-alone game itself I think is superior. Civ 4 is way too imbalanced compared to 2 and 3. That was my major issue, as well as the dumbing down of resource management. Also I got the sense that AI difficulty was kind of capped, Civ 2/3 AI always seemed stronger to me, but that is just imo.

I agree with your assessment of balance issues, though, IMO that doesn't make a game (particularly given that its entirely irrelevant to mods). I'm curious what you mean about dumbing down resource management. Civ 2 definitely has the most simplified resource management scheme of all of them. Civ 4 is less complex than Civ 3, but at the same time I feel the system is more polished.

In regards to the AI, did you play vanilla or with Beyond the Sword? Because Beyond the Sword gives the AI a pretty substantial update (I think its also available as an add-in to vanilla Civ 4).

Since I don't play mods, it was relevant to me :p

Yes, resource management is 3 > 4 > 2, but in 2 it was more understandable whereas in 4 it is a step back.

Beyond the Sword... Never played it.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 07 2009 22:21 GMT
#42
On March 08 2009 05:18 fanatacist wrote:
Yes, resource management is 3 > 4 > 2, but in 2 it was more understandable whereas in 4 it is a step back.

Except, IMO, it isn't a step back. Civ 3's resource management is complex, but also unrefined and cumbersome (e.g. uneven importance of resources and much more difficult to achieve certain victory types compared to others because of sheer number of resources). Civ 4's resource management is simpler, but also is less intrusive upon other mechanics. Simpler =/= dumbing down.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
March 07 2009 22:40 GMT
#43
On March 08 2009 07:21 TheYango wrote:
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On March 08 2009 05:18 fanatacist wrote:
Yes, resource management is 3 > 4 > 2, but in 2 it was more understandable whereas in 4 it is a step back.

Except, IMO, it isn't a step back. Civ 3's resource management is complex, but also unrefined and cumbersome (e.g. uneven importance of resources and much more difficult to achieve certain victory types compared to others because of sheer number of resources). Civ 4's resource management is simpler, but also is less intrusive upon other mechanics. Simpler =/= dumbing down.

It's a matter of opinion. You see it as intrusive on other mechanics, I see it as higher level of management.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 07 2009 22:44 GMT
#44
On March 08 2009 07:40 fanatacist wrote:
It's a matter of opinion. You see it as intrusive on other mechanics, I see it as higher level of management.

And either way, we've derailed this thread quite enough.
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Sunhay
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada303 Posts
March 08 2009 07:02 GMT
#45
the last remnant is coming out for pc, so just load that up and have fun =)
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