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To me the meaning of life is to be happy. There is no higher supernatural purpose to serve. There is no afterlife paradise to enjoy upon judgement of the worthiness of our lives. Other primal desires that derive satisfaction all fall within the category of being happy. Humans do possess a higher intelligence and consciousness, enough that sometimes the pursuit of happiness instead becomes deep despair, which can surpass the instinct of preservation of life.
In economics many people are familiar with the concept of utility. The units of utility are what drive our decision-making, measuring the marginal utility gained versus sacrifice. Meshing this concept with the meaning of life, one's overall happiness is equivalent to utility. A life is worth living if one's overall happiness levels exceed their unhappiness levels. For most people this is luckily positive; for others, it is not, which may lead to suicidal behaviour.
People perceive happiness differently. Some people are fortunate to experience great joys and contentment in their lives. Other, even in the exact same situations, simply feel less enjoyment. On the other side of the equation, people will also experience sadness, anger, hatred, and other negative emotions to differing degrees of intensity, again even in the exact same circumstances. Those who experience little joy and heavy sorrow live a life in which unhappiness exceeds happiness, marginal sacrifice is greater than marginal utility, and their life is meaningless. What else do they have to live for?
One important thing to note is that this graph largely focuses on the projected happiness vs sadness of an individual, rather than the historic. An optimistic person will be able to forecast greater happiness in their remaining life and choose to remain alive in order to try to attain that enjoyment. Another person may project a negative happiness balance in their remaining lifespan... what is the meaning of that life?
This leads to my main issue: I have nothing left to live for. My perceived happiness levels are not enough to overcome my perceived sadness levels. I know that many people would absolutely love to be in my shoes, that I am very fortunate and could hardly ask for more in my life, that many of my friends envy to be the person that I am. But they would not understand the madness in my mind. I guess this sounds rather suicidal and emo, but don't worry, I do not do anything recklessly.
I regularly daydream of a painless, instant death. Ask yourself this question: what is the most pleasant time of your day or life routine? FOr me, it is unquestionably going to sleep or waking up in bed and being able to stay there. My mind is clear, my world is safe, my body is comfortable. Death is simply going to sleep permanently. What is wrong with that? It halts the happiness deficit from deepening and limits my surplus of sorrow. Every night when I go to sleep, I wish a meteor would fall from the sky and smash me to smithereens. Then I would never wake up.
But yet I cannot go for now. I owe too much to my family. I saw how hard my parents worked to bring me up. I know I will never be able to repay them, in terms of sheer hard work and effort. If I selfishly end my own life, it would simply be too unfair for them, in my eyes, in having invested so much and having it all wasted. In a way, the injustice in their resultant unhappiness is enough for me to stick around. Due to this, I must rely on a form of death that is not my borne from my own cause, from spontaneous combustion to a uncontrollable quick acting cancer. It would have been beyond my control.
Writing this stuff is my form of therapy. I feel that if someday I did die, my legacy must continue in this world. My torment would end, but my words and thoughts do not suffer in the same way I do. If I can record them somewhere, at least my ideas do not go down with me. To satisfy my enormous ego, I must let the world know my brilliance while I still have the chance.
And I have much more to say.
  
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Belgium6768 Posts
Buddy, you need to get laid.
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=(
sad to hear
i dont know why you feel this way but try talking to your family or friends. if you're in canada then maybe smoke some weed?
life is precious
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hahaha first 2 suggestions are to get laid and smoke weed.
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Good luck, I fucking hate life too right now
Not joking.
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Dying is not sleeping forever. Dying is nothing for an instant. I've lost a few friends because they felt they didn't have a reason to live anymore, and I myself have had those thoughts (not really uncommon between the ages of 12 and 20), and I've decided nobody else can tell you what you have to live for. If you think you would be better off dead, I won't argue with you, because your pain is your own.
+ Show Spoiler +Though it's kinda hard to take you seriously when you're writing like some 18th century poet.
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You need something to live for, I mean there has to be something you want to do or experience. Go around, and look for something that you want to do. Life is always worth living!
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im no psychologist but... maybe just take a break and have a little vacation? that might readjust some perspectives for you in a favorable way
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Are you referring to the utilitarian principle of Greatest Happiness?
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Go do something extraordinary. You said you want your legacy to be remembered? Climb Mount Everest. Ski on the Swiss Alps. Run the Great Wall of China. Swim through the Pacific. Go base jumping. Liberate a third-world country. Create world peace.
There's lots of things you can do. Find something and motivate yourself.
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can u sell me your pc for cheap if you kill yourself? Mine is getting old.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On February 20 2009 11:13 gg_hertzz wrote:
can u sell me your pc for cheap if you kill yourself? Mine is getting old.
LMFAO HAHAHA
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but...but Mabonjwa is back and ready to rumble how could your happiness not supersede your discomfort But really a single moment of happiness is princeless, uncorruptable, and well worth a lifetime of sorrows. Its stupid to consider your life like a seesaw of happiness and unhappiness, the human experience, regardless of how miserable, is the pinnacle of existence in this world and to throw that away is most grievous of errors
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I used to think the same way, actually caused initially by that bad guy from final fantasy X's speech (seymour i think) about death.
Look, all sadness and pain is a learning experience and shade to the light of happiness. Strive to find what you love in the world and surround yourself with it. YOU NEED TO GET involved in something. KEEP BUSY. Find shit to do. Learn a language, a skill, go out and socialise, go to music gigs, play sports, go to libraries and read cool shit. Just keep doing shit, and also if you don't have a job GET ONE, and if you do then quit it and find something more stimulating!
Sadness is a lovely emotion to experience in moderation. It really is. To feel emotion in any way is a blessing. You just need to keep the sadness in check, it gives gravity and profundity to life, and makes the happiness all that much better. Living life is all about taking in the entire experience of being human  , try to enjoy everything you do and are challenged with.
Mr Spock:
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."
The secret to enjoying life is trying to enjoy life.
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First two replies are from graphix team dudes too. HMM
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whether you're happy or not primarily depends on yourself and your perception of things. happiness won't come to you by itself, especially not if you spend your time in bed.
go out, enjoy the simple things. don't expect anything and something good will come your way. you just need to learn to appreciate things. make a conscious effort to feel happy and don't let things you can't control pull you down.
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I think my advice would fall into the category of you need to get laid man... Dont be so dramatic, I mean if your life was THAT BAD, you wouldn't be playing starcraft... or posting on TL.net.
You would sit in your room and do nothing.
I bet that your upper middle class... white... if your of driving age you have a not so old car... probably year 2000+. You probably smoke cigs and party on the weekends.. I think you need a girlfriend/get laid. Get over yourself
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United States22883 Posts
In economics many people are familiar with the concept of utility. The units of utility are what drive our decision-making, measuring the marginal utility gained versus sacrifice. Rational choice is only a theory, and it's usually not modeled very accurately. People defy utilitarian calculations all the time.
You can live for any number of reasons besides immediate pleasure, such as helping other people attain pleasure or simply for enlightening yourself. Long stretches of unhappiness can be nearly unbearable, but they're not completely and as much as it sucks, your struggles help define your character and test your strength more than happiness will. As you said, with no afterlife there is no intrinsic purpose to living besides to pro-create, but socially constructed reasons can be just as real.
If you truly do want to stick to a projected cost/benefit analysis, just realize that human beings are terrible at making accurate projections. We don't learn from the past very well and we usually don't trust those that have come before us, nor are we able to accurately predict what will make us happy. Simply put, you don't know if you'll be happy in 5 or 10 years, but you do live in a country that offers second and third chances to life. Most of the world doesn't get multiple chances, and since you're being a pussy over hurting your family, you might as well take advantage of that fact.
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On February 20 2009 10:43 Shiverfish wrote:
In economics many people are familiar with the concept of utility. The units of utility are what drive our decision-making, measuring the marginal utility gained versus sacrifice. Meshing this concept with the meaning of life, one's overall happiness is equivalent to utility. A life is worth living if one's overall happiness levels exceed their unhappiness levels. For most people this is luckily positive; for others, it is not, which may lead to suicidal behaviour.
Can't compare it to economics imo. Economic theories are interesting, but many people don't adhere to them when making decisions. How do you explain gambling behavior? It's common knowledge that the odds are stacked in the house's favor, but people do it anyway. Or, look up st. petersburg paradox or ellsberg paradox.
Similarly, I don't think this concept of utility (as happiness) vs unhappiness is the scale that decides whether life is worth living. I'm sure that for everyone, their scale might be tipped towards the unhappiness side at any given point in time, but they don't choose to end their life right then.
It's kind of like a gamble. Everyone's scale fluctuates, perhaps even tipping one way or the other several times during just a single day (for those who are more emotionally labile than others). Maybe you wake up feeling great, but some bad news has you really down by the afternoon. But regardless of where on the scale they currently are, most people choose to keep living. They're making a gamble.
Sure, it might turn out that you will lead a completely shitty and unhappy life, so it wasn't worth it after all. I think that's something you can only decide in retrospect, on your deathbed. You don't know a priori how your life will turn out.
Now, there's no hard and fast data on this, but in the general population, I would wager that more people describe themseselves as happy than miserable, and way more people choose to live than to commit suicide. I think it's fair to say, based on how many people seem pretty satisfied with their lives in general, that unlike vegas, it's one gamble where the odds are in your favor.
Edit: basically what Jibba said except he said it first lol.
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What I heard alot was that if you're not happy, go make others happy. Help the less fortunate, go volunteer in your community.
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you don't need to "live" for anything. lol
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dunno what you've already done on your checklist.. but finding a decent girlfriend could give you fulfillment? Or write a book.. you seem to enjoy writing - even if it's only "a form of therapy" - do something bigger as a bigger therapy which may span over the whole of your life.
uwaa.. dunno what's really making you happy but for me it's getting shit done and progress in life. I'm master in procrastination and the endless delay of tasks I gotta do is what I'm best at, but when I finally pull myself together and finish the crap I always feel happier and freed.
I also find it funny to get nerdy at times.. a decent obsession is really cool.. if it may be some hardcore game like WoW (which may fuck up your life in other ways) or other (better) games like sc, dota, cs... a bit of "lose control" is always good. a bit.
are you bored by our comfortable, decadent society? Maybe you miss the natural predators and life on the edge? Equip yourself only with a Haori and a Katana and live the lonely life of a last samurai in the Japanese highlands (that's what I dream about sometimes.. but I guess I would really regret it after the first few nights).
if u have much more to say then go for it Mr. 3 posts.
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why did i think this was gonna be a thread about savior loosing a game...
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ending your life would be worse than living it out, based on the concept of perceived happiness (which i agree with). why? you said it yourself - "I owe too much to my family."
ending your life to soothe your own self would hurt your family and friends, which is obviously a bad thing - the sadness caused to your family would exceed the happiness you gain from suiciding. and judging from your op, it seems that sadness caused to your family would also bring sadness to you. that's why you wouldn't end your life. sure itll seem like youd feel better, but youd actually feel worse because you know what you had done to your family and friends if you commit suicide.
this means you have a conscience.
but then you also bring up death through other means - other means that arent your doing. would you still not feel guilty if you had wanted such a death - it would still cause the same sadness in your family and friends. maybe a bit less. is it not the best thing to keep yourself going through life to bring happiness to those youre close with? if you think about it, it may seem like loved ones are being selfish. they want you to be alive and well so that they may be happy, have peace of mind. not a great way to think about it....i guess this is for another topic.
i think you need to change your perspective. could you talk more about what your situation is?
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[Corrected so it is relavent to TL.net: "Nothing Left to Live For... A Zerg's Perspective"]
To me the meaning of life is to be happy. There is no higher supernatural purpose to serve, other than the Overmind. There is no afterlife paradise to enjoy upon judgement of the worthiness of our lives. Other primal desires that derive satisfaction all fall within the category of being happy. Such as mauling scouting SCVs, having carnal orgies with other zerglings, and teasing slow moving Overlords. Zergs do possess a higher intelligence and consciousness, enough that sometimes the pursuit of happiness instead becomes deep despair, which can surpass the instinct of preservation of life. *Cough*: Banelings
In economics many people are familiar with the concept of utility. The units of utility are what drive our decision-making, measuring the marginal utility gained versus sacrifice. Indeed, every lowly drone understands this, marginal mineral mined vs marginal satisfaction of hauling ass 24/7 to the same goddamn mineral patch. Meshing this concept with the meaning of life, one's overall happiness is equivalent to utility. A life is worth living if one's overall happiness levels exceed their unhappiness levels. For most zergs this is luckily positive; for others, it is not, which may lead to suicidal behaviour. *Cough, Cough*: Banelings
Zergs perceive happiness differently. Some zergs are fortunate to experience great joys and contentment in their lives. Such as a Lurker behind mineral line ^-^ Other, even in the exact same situations, simply feel less enjoyment: Drone destined to morph into hatcheries and forever feel their orifices stretched as they force larvae from their three holes. On the other side of the equation, zergs will also experience sadness, anger, hatred, and other negative emotions to differing degrees of intensity, again even in the exact same circumstances. Who knows, maybe one of those three Drones actually LIKE the smell of vespene gas. Those who experience little joy and heavy sorrow live a life in which unhappiness exceeds happiness, marginal sacrifice is greater than marginal utility, and their life is meaningless. What else do they have to live for? FOR THE SWARM.
One important thing to note is that this graph largely focuses on the projected happiness vs sadness of an individual, rather than the historic. An optimistic zergling will be able to forecast greater happiness in their remaining life and choose to remain alive in order to try to attain that enjoyment. Another zerglingmay project a negative happiness balance in their remaining lifespan... what is the meaning of that life? Why not just stay burrowed forever and live life in a dark hole?
This leads to my main issue: I have nothing left to live for. My perceived happiness levels are not enough to overcome my perceived sadness levels. MUST MINE MOAR HAPPY  I know that many zergs would absolutely love to be in my shoes, that I am very fortunate and could hardly ask for more in my life (except for moar minerals), that many of my friends envy to be the person that I am. HAR HAR I BETTAR THN ALL THE OTHER 4sz5sz6sz7sz. But they would not understand the madness in my overminds. I guess this sounds rather suicidal and emo, but don't worry, I do not do anything recklessly. IE: Rush a bunker.
I regularly daydream of a painless, instant death by ninja scarab or Random DT. Ask yourself this question: what is the most pleasant time of your day or life routine? For me, it is unquestionably burrowing or unburrowing and being able to stay there. My mind is clear, my world is safe, my body is comfortable. Death is simply burrowing too deep. What is wrong with that? It halts the happiness deficit from deepening and limits my surplus of sorrow. AGAIN: MUST MINE MOAR HAPPY. Every night when I go to sleep, I wish to be visited by a little red lazer dot and Nuclear Launch Detected would fall from the sky and smash me to smithereens. Then I would never have to unburrow again.
But yet I cannot go for now. I owe too much to the swarm. I saw how hard those drones worked to harvest my 25 mineral worth. I know I will never be able to repay them, in terms of sheer hard work and effort. If I selfishly end my own life, it would simply be too unfair for them, in my eyes, in having invested so much and having all 25 minerals wasted, without even getting off a scout. In a way, the injustice in their resultant unhappiness is enough for me to stick around. THINK OF ALL THOSE SAD DRONES WHEN YOU MIS MICRO Due to this, I must rely on a form of death that is not my borne from my own cause, from spontaneous irradiation to a uncontrollable defiler plague followed by accidentally tripping. It would have been beyond my control.
Writing this stuff is my form of selfish comedy. I feel that if someday I did die, my legacy must continue in this world. My torment would end, but my words and thoughts do not suffer in the same way I do. If I can record them somewhere, at least my ideas do not go down with me. To satisfy my enormous ego, I must let the world know my 5, unupgraded damage while I still have the chance.
And I have much more to say.
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I must apologize for the injustice i do to your serious blog post, but it was for the lulz.
Dont use your obligation to your parents/friends to guilt yourself into living. Live because you like them and want to give back. Live because you enjoy life, because you like noticing <insert small cheesey overused insignificant detail of daily life: eg bird chirp, beautiful pattern of bird-poop-splat on car>. Live because you like to play Starcraft. Projecting that your future sadness will outweigh your future happiness is pure bullshit. Since when did you become all-knowing? Assuming that you are at the average age of TL.net of early twenties/late teens (i pull this out of my ass), you base your assumptions of the rest of your life on just 1/5th of your time on earth.
Journaling is definitely a good form of self therapy, but if you really do need help go ring up a therapist. Idly toying with thoughts of suicide is an insult to those who suffer major depression + insomnia and cant get out of bed. If something caused this vile spew of nihilistic thought, it is much better for you to address the core issue/event rather than to disassociate, project and philosophize.
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everything is temporary. happiness, pleasure, sadness, fear, anger, etc. all of that is temporary and subject to change at any time.
if you truly are so dispassioned towards the world that you feel you have no reason left to live, then master the way in which you experience the world and you will not suffer regardless of what is happening.
perceptions are not universal.
1 person suffers from hunger, another does not suffer from that same hunger.
1 person laughs at a joke, another does not.
1 person gets lonely, another does not.
1 person gets defensive at being insulted, another does not.
1 person responds to violence with violence, another does not.
1 person has a low pain tolerance, another has a high pain tolerance.
you can change your own perceptions through mindfulness and proper understanding
p.s: I am basically convinced that rebirth is real. if you kill yourself the experiences will be reborn, regardless of a perceived connection to your past life.
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On February 20 2009 11:54 Railxp wrote:
Idly toying with thoughts of suicide is an insult to those who suffer major depression + insomnia and cant get out of bed. If something caused this vile spew of nihilistic thought, it is much better for you to address the core issue/event rather than to disassociate, project and philosophize.
you don't know what you are talking about.
On February 20 2009 11:54 Railxp wrote:
Idly toying with thoughts of suicide
as opposed to committing suicide without thinking about it? or thinking about it while you do it?
is an insult to those who suffer major depression + insomnia and cant get out of bed.
again, you don't know what you are talking about. people suffer in many ways. not having a purpose is one of those ways.
If something caused this vile spew of nihilistic thought, it is much better for you to address the core issue/event rather than to disassociate, project and philosophize.
what does this even mean. stop judging people you can't identify with.
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Rofl, guy gives his gf a time out and now some one is writing a suicide note? I thought TL was a place to discuss SC and happy things not this bull shit. Seriously, if you felt like that no one can help you but your self. You can see all of the psychiatrists you want but it dosn't matter if you don't care about what they are saying. Don't post stuff saying that your gonna kill yourself, that is for your family/friends and a shrink. So, please, for the love of god, go see a shrink and post a happy post after that saying how good it is to get high and laid!
Edit: Dude, if you die you don't feel shit. YOUR FUCKING DEAD. You won't notice not having sorrow, you won't notice not being happy, you won't notice the comfertableness, you won't notice your computer is still on and you won't notice how fucking bad you will smell in 4 days.
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Sounds like a mid-life crises, realizing that you lack a life goal, or a dream to work for.
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If they'd rather die, they had better do it and decrease the surplus population. Good night, gentlemen.
Humbug!
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Nono, wanting to die is just lack of motivation to live. Of course, if you have nothing to live for, you could pretty much just kill yourself although see there isn't much more point than doing that except for an own personal yet selfish desire to have to live without motivation. Then again, I'm a pessimist so I would just say go kill yourself and wish something good comes out of it although since you brought up the topic about having to pay back your parents I'm assuming you're not really old and probably around my age since you say you cannot pay them back.
I mean, you probably are ready to kill yourself if you have nothing to do besides actually post your very deep emotions in a community dealing about video games mostly, but since I'm expected to be nice I should probably just say if posting here about that was honestly more enjoyable than doing something else like playing games that is probably just indicating you have some social problems and isn't getting enough social enjoyment that you just have to share something to an online community lol.
It's ok I can relate to pretty much almost everything you said up there personally but yeah I'm a kid, not an intellectual and don't plan to be one nor do i think of myself as one, so don't really take my word for anything but if you honestly are stuck between the dilemma of guilt of killing yourself and wanting to kill yourself due to lack of motivation to live, I'd like to think that you start caring less about your social image. What I mean is, you start doing whatever the fuck you want and embarrass yourself but don't care so much about it.
Of course, living to not embarrass yourself is pretty pointless but I mean it's better than living for nothing so I guess there's a start. But yeah, you don't have to be so emotional about it either cause yes from my pessimistic viewpoint, no matter what the shit humans do, its not going to affect anything universally. What I mean is, no matter how advanced we get, no matter how much we colonize, we're still stuck on an infinitely endless path to perfection if you look at it from a universal perspective (I'm not religious, to you religious people, this won't make sense). Life in general has no ultimate goal... from what I believe, we're just mere pawns to the infinite universe and no matter what we do or try to do, its not like the universe really cares and has no ultimate meaning in whatever we do (yes this doesn't make sense either but I'm not good at expressing my thought into words so oh well). I mean yeah we'll probably end up with like total domination of everything if human race lives on but i mean what are you accomplishing you're just colonizing more planets infinitely and advancing technology infinitely without end.
I gotta say, you're not the only one that feels this way, and I'm pretty sure you either respect people who live knowing this or look down upon them cause they're too stupid and ignorant to care. But I mean, you don't have to take it so deep as to kill yourself just because you're way more conscious of this "pointlessness" of life you just think about it too much and if you can't really get rid of the feeling of lack of motivation just start doing random shit and try to feel good about it because you know you actually have some shit to do. Or like other people already said, get involved in things because they will keep you preoccupied so you don't actually think about killing yourself. I mean, the reason you would actually POST this is because you're so not preoccupied and thus nothing to live for, but either way you wouldn't be posting let alone thinking about this if you had something to do. I could try to like be soft and try to convince you that life is a wonderful thing to enjoy but being the bluntly honest person I am I just have to say this: get a life. (Or you can live like me and just live like a robot since I don't have a life; just be motivated in life through a passion of hatred. Rant to your friends about people you hate and other things like that etc.)
Yeah I realize how egotistical and hypocritical and wannabe I sound but hey, please don't judge me since I'm just trying to respond to the OP as best I can in my own way. Also don't take my post seriously if you don't want to cause i realize my opinion is just retarded to other people so if you think its kiddy, immature, or stupid, just at least don't try to make a point out of it. I actually enjoy my immature youthfulness since it covers up my emo nature that I'd like to say i share with the OP.
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If the meaning of life is to be happy, then why do people come into the world crying? huh huh???
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In other words, you physically do not know what you want. The act of sitting around pondering it is apparently what fucks you up.
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On February 20 2009 12:43 Pengu1n wrote:
If the meaning of life is to be happy, then why do people come into the world crying? huh huh???
its of pure joy....
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WTF just happened... i was about to rape that zerg and you disc me? it was so warm in there... WTF
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On February 20 2009 12:11 travis wrote:as opposed to committing suicide without thinking about it? or thinking about it while you do it? Show nested quote +
is an insult to those who suffer major depression + insomnia and cant get out of bed.
again, you don't know what you are talking about. people suffer in many ways. not having a purpose is one of those ways.
Most people that commit suicide have thought about it over a long period of time. It's not something you rush into, it's a build-up to the end.
And this guy is being insulting. Most real suicides/attempts are done in an act of shame and desperation. Most people that actually do commit suicide either leave a note or nothing at all and the note tends to be full of shame and apologies. This guy is looking for attention.
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From what I remember coming back from being unconcious and pretty much braindead after having head trauma, it was just nothingness... I remember black, and that's it. I found a new appreciation for life when it was close to not having it, just like any other thing in your life, a gf you loved, etc.
Depression is a strong motivator to do stupid things, and to bash on yourself. Whatever you do, learn to live another day, every time. Our days are numbered and precious no matter how bad life can get, because all you can do is learn from it. My suggestion is to dig deep, not seek any type of counselling other than from your loved ones, because you feel nothing from some guy/girl you just met.
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game?
the guy that taught lastshadow?
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Bye, too bad we couldn't be friends.
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dude get a hobby.... seriously. A hobby that'll drive you out of bed to do. If you want try playing more competitive starcraft, you'll wake up being excited to reach your new rank.
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On February 20 2009 12:43 Pengu1n wrote:
If the meaning of life is to be happy, then why do people come into the world crying? huh huh???
Because inside they know whats coming.
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Do you know what I do if I have a bad day (or year)? I imagine living life as a legless cripple. A homeless legless cripple. A homeless legless blind cripple. A homeless legless blind cripple with AIDS. A homeless legless blind cripple with AIDS on fire. Then I eat some ice cream and think, "Hey, it could be worse..." and life doesn't seem so bad~
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^That...might be surprisingly imaginative and good advice.
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Dying is dying. It's nothing like going to sleep.
No matter how much you want to join the dead poets society, it's not going to happen.
Kill yourself, don't kill yourself, I don't think a lot of us care. But your romantic notions of death are wrong.
Also, you're worried about how other people might take it, which tells me you don't really want to die.
Eat some chocolate.
If that doesn't work go see a psychiatrist and get some happy pills.
Then make a happy blog about something remotely interesting <3
Love you <3
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On February 20 2009 12:43 Pengu1n wrote:
If the meaning of life is to be happy, then why do people come into the world crying? huh huh???
Yea man, I was born cold, wet, crying and naked..... Things have gotten worse.
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I don't like a lot of people jumping down his throat. He feels terrible.. but wants to keep going for the sake of his parents / family. That is fairly admirable imo.
Listen dude: I know it sucks right now. But it won't always suck. Live in this moment and learn to handle your pain so that you can understand it and be there for a person that will need someone who KNOWS what this feels like.. that person can be you.
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I think that you need motivation, so if i was you, i would set myself a goal, what it is is not necessarily important, as long as it can take your time and effort. what is something you like or are interested i learning? start doing it, the worst that can happen is that it will distract you from your sorrow.
i think that in life it is very hard to live without a passion, so you should experiment with different things until you find the one thing (or the several things) that you truly enjoy, and feel good doing, and then proceed to master them. it is not your fault you feel this way, many people who are not lucky enough to discover a passion feel the same way.
P.S. Apparently some TL'ers like critisizing/mocking people who consider suicide...wtf?
(I hope he reads this post i really meant what I said.)
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I haven't read the other replies, so I hope I'm not just repeating what someone else already said.
It seems to me that, even though you claim the meaning of life is to be happy, your post implies something else. The fact that you're willing to live so that your parents' efforts won't go to waste means that their happiness matters to you. In that sense, you seem to be saying that the meaning of life isn't just to pursue your own happiness, but the happiness of others as well, specifically those you care about. The calculation of utility is a bit more complex in this case.
(The phrase meaning of life is vague. I took it to be equivalent to "purpose of life", though you might have meant something else).
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Things will get better. I know others have probably told you this, but its true. I was severely depressed at 16, but I just toughed it out and slowly things got better. I got on antidepressants and got a gf and a new view on life. It can be tough at times, but it WILL get better. Live for the good times. Force yourself to get out and do stuff. Stay strong and dont end it.
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On February 20 2009 13:27 SnowFantasy wrote:
game?
the guy that taught lastshadow?
If you consider someone following around and watching your replays a lot teaching someone, then yes. As far as me ever helping him, no.
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Its pretty nice to hear what all of you had to say. As a new poster in any sort of forum, I didnt expect to enjoy reading all the replies that were directly attributable to my post. It is indeed very rewarding to read all the comments regardless of them being supportive, humourous, or derogatory (I know its all in good fun).
Some things I wanted to add in response.
On February 20 2009 11:31 1a2a3aGG wrote:
I think my advice would fall into the category of you need to get laid man... Dont be so dramatic, I mean if your life was THAT BAD, you wouldn't be playing starcraft... or posting on TL.net.
You would sit in your room and do nothing.
I bet that your upper middle class... white... if your of driving age you have a not so old car... probably year 2000+. You probably smoke cigs and party on the weekends.. I think you need a girlfriend/get laid. Get over yourself
Haha I had a bit of a laugh from this one. The person you describe is definitely not me... and probably the type of person I would least like to be.
I wholeheartedly agree that I need to get laid. Except that's a topic I have saved for my own girl problems post hahaha. Dont deprive me of one of my basic TL rights of passage.
This attitude I've described is not something recent or urgent at all. I have had this my mind for ages, probably even traceable to my pre-highschool days. I would claim that I mentally developed or matured at a relatively fast rate, such that I was emo at a pretty young age. Except I do my best, perhaps too good a job, to hide from everyone what I truly think.
Suggesting I need some motivation seems to be a common comment. However, I do not think that's the large problem; instead, I would say my motivations and desires are so grand that they are not realistically achievable. Or if they are, simply too troublesome for the someone too afraid of uncalculated risks.
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//only read the OP
On February 20 2009 10:43 Shiverfish wrote:
Death is simply going to sleep permanently.
Not it's not. Death is complete absence of thought. In sleep you can dream and think.
Life isn't about happiness. It's about satisfaction. Happiness is just serotonin being released into your brain to reward it for whatever you feel like you've accomplished. If all you do is sit around being bored every day, then it has no reason to release those feelings of satisfaction. You could cheat, and take drugs that force you to be happy, but then why doesn't everyone do it if the only purpose in life is to be happy? It frankly isn't.
You can feel satisfied without having excessive regular releases of serotonin into your brain. Satisfaction is about experiencing a variety of emotions in life. Even when something is painful sad, sometimes we feel like better people for having experienced it.
Human beings are utilitarian to an extent, but happiness isn't the goal and never was. Happiness is the byproduct. If you think the only meaning in life is to be happy, go get addicted to heroin and when it looks like it's running out, overdose  If you can see that this is a stupid plan, then congratulations, your life isn't just about being happy.
You sound young, and like you've got a lot of life ahead of you. Just live it out and stop being so damn negative and maybe you'll start to enjoy it
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On February 20 2009 10:43 Shiverfish wrote:
To me the meaning of life is to be happy. There is no higher supernatural purpose to serve. There is no afterlife paradise to enjoy upon judgement of the worthiness of our lives. Other primal desires that derive satisfaction all fall within the category of being happy. Humans do possess a higher intelligence and consciousness, enough that sometimes the pursuit of happiness instead becomes deep despair, which can surpass the instinct of preservation of life.
In economics many people are familiar with the concept of utility. The units of utility are what drive our decision-making, measuring the marginal utility gained versus sacrifice. Meshing this concept with the meaning of life, one's overall happiness is equivalent to utility. A life is worth living if one's overall happiness levels exceed their unhappiness levels. For most people this is luckily positive; for others, it is not, which may lead to suicidal behaviour.
People perceive happiness differently. Some people are fortunate to experience great joys and contentment in their lives. Other, even in the exact same situations, simply feel less enjoyment. On the other side of the equation, people will also experience sadness, anger, hatred, and other negative emotions to differing degrees of intensity, again even in the exact same circumstances. Those who experience little joy and heavy sorrow live a life in which unhappiness exceeds happiness, marginal sacrifice is greater than marginal utility, and their life is meaningless. What else do they have to live for?
One important thing to note is that this graph largely focuses on the projected happiness vs sadness of an individual, rather than the historic. An optimistic person will be able to forecast greater happiness in their remaining life and choose to remain alive in order to try to attain that enjoyment. Another person may project a negative happiness balance in their remaining lifespan... what is the meaning of that life?
This leads to my main issue: I have nothing left to live for. My perceived happiness levels are not enough to overcome my perceived sadness levels. I know that many people would absolutely love to be in my shoes, that I am very fortunate and could hardly ask for more in my life, that many of my friends envy to be the person that I am. But they would not understand the madness in my mind. I guess this sounds rather suicidal and emo, but don't worry, I do not do anything recklessly.
I regularly daydream of a painless, instant death. Ask yourself this question: what is the most pleasant time of your day or life routine? FOr me, it is unquestionably going to sleep or waking up in bed and being able to stay there. My mind is clear, my world is safe, my body is comfortable. Death is simply going to sleep permanently. What is wrong with that? It halts the happiness deficit from deepening and limits my surplus of sorrow. Every night when I go to sleep, I wish a meteor would fall from the sky and smash me to smithereens. Then I would never wake up.
But yet I cannot go for now. I owe too much to my family. I saw how hard my parents worked to bring me up. I know I will never be able to repay them, in terms of sheer hard work and effort. If I selfishly end my own life, it would simply be too unfair for them, in my eyes, in having invested so much and having it all wasted. In a way, the injustice in their resultant unhappiness is enough for me to stick around. Due to this, I must rely on a form of death that is not my borne from my own cause, from spontaneous combustion to a uncontrollable quick acting cancer. It would have been beyond my control.
Writing this stuff is my form of therapy. I feel that if someday I did die, my legacy must continue in this world. My torment would end, but my words and thoughts do not suffer in the same way I do. If I can record them somewhere, at least my ideas do not go down with me. To satisfy my enormous ego, I must let the world know my brilliance while I still have the chance.
And I have much more to say.
stfu
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On February 20 2009 10:46 Xeofreestyler wrote:
Buddy, you need to get laid.
I second that.
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Why exactly do you feel you have no reason to live? Strictly from the perspective that you are just unhappy, and that your unhappiness exceeds your happiness? If you don't know why you are this way, then find out why. Delve into reasons that cause you to feel this way, and whatever the reason is, work it out. If you can't do it yourself, find a therapist, or a friend that will listen, or your family, but whoever it is talk to them and get help.
I've been depressed since I was in my early teens (im almost 20 now, so since around 12ish), and it really has hit me hard all of my life. The reason for suicide is not so much not wanting to live, or having no reason to live, it's to escape the pain. There is always a reason why someone thinks about suicide, or attempts suicide, but often times its when there is no hope left. It's when you lose all hope that anything will change that the situation becomes really dire. If you aren't at that point, then you can still find a way to remedy the situation and figure out what's causing everything. There's always a cause, be it a chemical imbalance in your body, or something from your past that ate away at you. Find out what's bothering you and focus on resolving that.
If you just aren't happy with your situation in life, or goals, or whatever, than change them, or find the ways to change them. If you don't, then things get worse, and this is from personal experience. Ignoring the real problems and just trying to get by in life by avoiding those problems doesn't work, it'll make things worse. Giving yourself outside reasons to stay live, such as in your case your parents, eventually those reasons won't be enough. Get help if you can't find the reason yourself, but don't ignore whatever it is in your life that makes you feel this way. Ignoring will just make things worse. Death isn't sleeping, and suicide isn't a sleeping pill.
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i agree with the person who said you should help other people.
use your experience and your understanding of sadness to help another person who can't cope as well with it as you.
you may find that very rewarding and may even find your purpose in life.
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On February 20 2009 12:07 travis wrote:
everything is temporary. happiness, pleasure, sadness, fear, anger, etc. all of that is temporary and subject to change at any time.
if you truly are so dispassioned towards the world that you feel you have no reason left to live, then master the way in which you experience the world and you will not suffer regardless of what is happening.
perceptions are not universal.
1 person suffers from hunger, another does not suffer from that same hunger.
1 person laughs at a joke, another does not.
1 person gets lonely, another does not.
1 person gets defensive at being insulted, another does not.
1 person responds to violence with violence, another does not.
1 person has a low pain tolerance, another has a high pain tolerance.
you can change your own perceptions through mindfulness and proper understanding
p.s: I am basically convinced that rebirth is real. if you kill yourself the experiences will be reborn, regardless of a perceived connection to your past life.
travis...
shut up please
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On February 21 2009 14:39 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2009 10:43 Shiverfish wrote:
To me the meaning of life is to be happy. There is no higher supernatural purpose to serve. There is no afterlife paradise to enjoy upon judgement of the worthiness of our lives. Other primal desires that derive satisfaction all fall within the category of being happy. Humans do possess a higher intelligence and consciousness, enough that sometimes the pursuit of happiness instead becomes deep despair, which can surpass the instinct of preservation of life.
In economics many people are familiar with the concept of utility. The units of utility are what drive our decision-making, measuring the marginal utility gained versus sacrifice. Meshing this concept with the meaning of life, one's overall happiness is equivalent to utility. A life is worth living if one's overall happiness levels exceed their unhappiness levels. For most people this is luckily positive; for others, it is not, which may lead to suicidal behaviour.
People perceive happiness differently. Some people are fortunate to experience great joys and contentment in their lives. Other, even in the exact same situations, simply feel less enjoyment. On the other side of the equation, people will also experience sadness, anger, hatred, and other negative emotions to differing degrees of intensity, again even in the exact same circumstances. Those who experience little joy and heavy sorrow live a life in which unhappiness exceeds happiness, marginal sacrifice is greater than marginal utility, and their life is meaningless. What else do they have to live for?
One important thing to note is that this graph largely focuses on the projected happiness vs sadness of an individual, rather than the historic. An optimistic person will be able to forecast greater happiness in their remaining life and choose to remain alive in order to try to attain that enjoyment. Another person may project a negative happiness balance in their remaining lifespan... what is the meaning of that life?
This leads to my main issue: I have nothing left to live for. My perceived happiness levels are not enough to overcome my perceived sadness levels. I know that many people would absolutely love to be in my shoes, that I am very fortunate and could hardly ask for more in my life, that many of my friends envy to be the person that I am. But they would not understand the madness in my mind. I guess this sounds rather suicidal and emo, but don't worry, I do not do anything recklessly.
I regularly daydream of a painless, instant death. Ask yourself this question: what is the most pleasant time of your day or life routine? FOr me, it is unquestionably going to sleep or waking up in bed and being able to stay there. My mind is clear, my world is safe, my body is comfortable. Death is simply going to sleep permanently. What is wrong with that? It halts the happiness deficit from deepening and limits my surplus of sorrow. Every night when I go to sleep, I wish a meteor would fall from the sky and smash me to smithereens. Then I would never wake up.
But yet I cannot go for now. I owe too much to my family. I saw how hard my parents worked to bring me up. I know I will never be able to repay them, in terms of sheer hard work and effort. If I selfishly end my own life, it would simply be too unfair for them, in my eyes, in having invested so much and having it all wasted. In a way, the injustice in their resultant unhappiness is enough for me to stick around. Due to this, I must rely on a form of death that is not my borne from my own cause, from spontaneous combustion to a uncontrollable quick acting cancer. It would have been beyond my control.
Writing this stuff is my form of therapy. I feel that if someday I did die, my legacy must continue in this world. My torment would end, but my words and thoughts do not suffer in the same way I do. If I can record them somewhere, at least my ideas do not go down with me. To satisfy my enormous ego, I must let the world know my brilliance while I still have the chance.
And I have much more to say. stfu
Classic rekrul answer in threads like this.
Man, you need to get laid i think.
And you know, not many people's legacy will continue in this world after 100 years of their death, so dont make this as a life goal, just enjoy the life and try to be happy.
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if u decide to go. Try not to take people with u. Kinda douchey imo. Seems to me lots of people that say stuff like wanting their legacy to be remembered shoot schools up and what not. Not cool dude.... just incase... Please dont kill me...
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