Chess Training vs Racenilatr - Page 3

On February 02 2009 14:31 TaP.Nuada wrote:

High speed games force players to think quickly when mid game hits and rely less on their endless bounds of memorized counters and openings.

IMO competitive chess has really changed and I used to be a big chess fanatic but it's just not what it used to be. Players with no intuition can still win against better players with opening knowledge and counters alone.

And it's not similar to saying "you memorize starcraft bo's same kind of thing" because it isn't.

I stopped playing chess when it moved from a game of intuition/foresight to a game of memorization. Don't get me wrong, there are still loads of intuition and foresight, it just seems to make more of a difference in advanced levels of play.


It's not perfectly balanced, how can it be, it's turn based (someone has to go first). So it's like only getting to make your 5th worker after your opponent already made his.

Scheduling chess tournaments can be difficult sometimes because you need to make players alternate colors due to the imbalance in the game.

Wikipedia article on white's advantage in chess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chess

On February 02 2009 16:33 kefkalives wrote:
What cements my love of go is that the game has almost a 50% win rate for both white and black (White gets compensated 6.5 points [7.5 under area scoring] for taking the second move). this rule is called komi.

On February 02 2009 17:20 motbob wrote:
I just played the greatest game ever.... here it is:

http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game-replayer.php?id=12470

I'm white. Yes, I know I suck, but apparently he sucks more haha.
The moral of the story is: when you're ahead, simplify.

On February 02 2009 15:51 ChoboCop wrote:


You're just way way off. You're viewing chess in a very miopic prism.

Let me be succinct...
Blitz chess is inferior for the purpose of strategy -- it makes the tactics artificial to the clock.

The reason the Chess bonjwa's are bonjwa's is because of their incredible understanding and calculation, all levels are a reflection of understanding + calculation... you seem to want to only play on understanding and not calculation.

You say inferior players win with opening traps... yes, sometimes they do. In practice though they usually attain winning positions and then falter. You have to give inferior players time to make inferior choices... (very sage advice in chess) Anyone who has played chess competitively on any level understands that the game is an excruciating struggle.

Your thesis is essentially that in today's Chess game (memorizing good positions) > (other aspects of chess) such that those with superior (other aspects of chess) cannot seem to topple those that (memorize good positions). What about what it takes to win good positions... you're just dismissing so much about the competition of Chess.

I think you need to further explore how chess knowledge is created/expounded, the trappings of competition, and your definition of 'memory' as it relates to them.

On February 03 2009 01:07 TaP.Nuada wrote:

I think you misunderstand.

I'm not saying memorizing openings/counters = 100% win. I'm saying it's becoming more important to have incredible knowledge and have a very large amount of openings/counters memorized because the understanding+calculation you talk about has reached such a high level. Strategy for chess games isn't really developed during the game anymore as it's been studied so much that players already know the best moves in many given situations.

On February 03 2009 06:36 3clipse wrote:
I've just realized that I'm only a decent player when there is no (or a very long) time limit. Just knowing that my turn is being timed makes me really nervous. :S I guess it's something you have to get used to.

On February 03 2009 06:52 gg_hertzz wrote:
losing weight and learning to play chess?

surely that is not possible.

On February 03 2009 06:55 micronesia wrote:

Er I'm not really trying to lose weight.

Are you saying that all chess players are fat...?

On February 03 2009 16:39 gg_hertzz wrote:


are you the guy that posted about trying to drop 10 lbs or something? or am i thinking of another guy?>

On February 03 2009 06:40 micronesia wrote:

In my experience you get over this pretty quickly. When I first started playing vs the computer a few months ago with a timer, even if it was a pretty big timer it messed me up... but now the timer doesn't bother me at all. I play 10 minutes +5 seconds per move without feeling pressured most of the time.

On February 10 2009 23:33 IMlemon wrote:


Bump .

Dont know if you sir have participated in real tournaments (IE, not online stuff which kinda sucks...), but time screws up so many players there. Im not even talking about blitz, but rapid (30 minutes for those of you who dont know). It would seem like its plenty of time, but all it takes is decent opponent and there's a fair chance it will come down to serious clock smashing .

On February 11 2009 06:09 micronesia wrote:

Yeah I can imagine. I might play in rated games IRL someday and then the fun begins.