• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:25
CEST 00:25
KST 07:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview2[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris34Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview BoxeR's Wings Episode 2 - Fan Translation Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update A Eulogy for the Six Pool #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) Esports World Cup 2025
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Post ASL20 Ro24 discussion. Easiest luckies way to get out of Asl groups BW General Discussion No Rain in ASL20?
Tourneys
[IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined! [ASL20] Ro24 Group F [ASL20] Ro24 Group E [ASL20] Ro24 Group D
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The year 2050
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 854 users

Practicing Theorycraft Ideas

Blogs > Salv
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-08 11:53:59
January 08 2009 11:53 GMT
#1
There are a lot of threads that theorycraft ideas. Usually the thread incorporate using a new unit or spell, or trying a new unit combination. The ones you often see are about queen usage in ZvT or dark archons in PvZ. So I've decided I'm going to start anew on iCCup & play all match ups with a special style or incorporating under-used units & spells.

I'm a Protoss player and thus far I have decided on:
  • Protoss vs Terran: Incorporating corsairs & disruption web. Idea from: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85496
  • Protoss vs Zerg: Dark archons (early DA; as a regular part of my unit composition). Idea from: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85463
  • Protoss vs Protoss: I have no ideas for this yet. I don't really think there is a unique or different way for playing this. You could always try to incorporate DA, that's the only idea I have so far.


If you have any ideas for match ups, please post them here. I'll be posting replays & some write-ups about how they worked or didn't work later in the day.

BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
January 08 2009 11:58 GMT
#2
PvP: Mass goons and use a probe shield of about 10 probes to counter the opponent's more expensive zealot supplements.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-08 12:13:49
January 08 2009 12:06 GMT
#3
reaverhallucination in midgame PvP

if he focus fires at all he's fucked
edit: ofcourse archon hallucination is a classic one too. gets focusfired automatically, and you can have a shitload of real ones too after you merged your hallucinating ht's
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 08 2009 12:44 GMT
#4
pvp - corsair dt, you hunt down observers with the corsairs
And all is illuminated.
stet_tcl
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Greece319 Posts
January 08 2009 12:46 GMT
#5
Yea, you can work with hallucination alot imo maybe in PvP and definitely PvT.
Give it a try and tell us how it went!
Chameleon
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States604 Posts
January 08 2009 13:05 GMT
#6
I remember seeing a pro game pvp on katrina where one of the players made a DA and used it to feedback his opponents HT's, that was pretty sweet.

I'd also like to see a PvT where toss gets arbs and constantly sends dts around the map and then makes DA's to feedback science vessels

Something i was just thinking about today was a build that takes advantage of the uniqueness of Andromeda having that min only up your main ramp. Instead of the normal forge FE you put down a gate instead and expo at your main into a power zeal timing attack. I dont know if this would actually work since you're stuck on 1 gas forever but since you're mostly just pumping zeals as fast as possible you might find a timing window where you would be able to get away w/ it.
TL's #1 Horang2 fan
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
January 08 2009 13:21 GMT
#7
I'll say it again. Skipping Robo completely and using DA's MC to MC Overlords for detection.
Moderator
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
January 08 2009 13:43 GMT
#8
In the recent pgl games the chinese players used early dweb vs terran, early da vs zerg, late game hallucination

so.. yea...

Bit of a shame nowdays everyone just copies the pro league scene and throwing creative play out the window
bisu fanboy
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
January 08 2009 14:37 GMT
#9
I use DA's in almost every PvZ.
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
January 08 2009 14:52 GMT
#10
On January 08 2009 22:21 Chill wrote:
I'll say it again. Skipping Robo completely and using DA's MC to MC Overlords for detection.


Chill is Gosu, This way you could skip observers for Lurkers.

DA/HT DROP, Da's for Maelstrom and then you Psi Storm, or use archon to kill stacked workers
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
January 08 2009 14:54 GMT
#11
PvT get a scout to take hits from turrets for your reaver drop (with zealots to take hit from tanks)

PvZ hallucinate shuttles for storm drops

On January 08 2009 22:21 Chill wrote:
I'll say it again. Skipping Robo completely and using DA's MC to MC Overlords for detection.

Never thought of that one, it's fun but lose the ovie (to 2 scourges) and you are fucked.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 08 2009 15:25 GMT
#12
multi robo zealot/reaver doom drop pvp
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
January 08 2009 16:20 GMT
#13
The dweb PvT is so freaking strong.

The way Ive done it and I have seen a really good protoss friend of mine do it is by just massing goons only and since early in the game getting corsairs but dont let em in sight...
These strat is good to beat those turtlers T's that come out when they have a huge mass, you will be surprised how quickly their army goes down with dweb.. so basically start researching and gatherin a good amount of corsairs since early in the game and dont show them until the big deciding battle comes into place
+ Show Spoiler +

One of the best feelings in the world, seeing GOONS ONLY destroying a massive Terran Army just because of DWEB
w/e
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42868 Posts
January 08 2009 16:32 GMT
#14
On January 08 2009 22:21 Chill wrote:
I'll say it again. Skipping Robo completely and using DA's MC to MC Overlords for detection.

How are you meant to protect them from scourge?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
January 08 2009 16:33 GMT
#15
On January 09 2009 01:32 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2009 22:21 Chill wrote:
I'll say it again. Skipping Robo completely and using DA's MC to MC Overlords for detection.

How are you meant to protect them from scourge?

With Corsairs?
Moderator
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
January 08 2009 16:50 GMT
#16
On January 08 2009 21:06 RaGe wrote:
reaverhallucination in midgame PvP

if he focus fires at all he's fucked
edit: ofcourse archon hallucination is a classic one too. gets focusfired automatically, and you can have a shitload of real ones too after you merged your hallucinating ht's

Hallu reavers don't fire so they will probably be spotted easily ):
Peace~
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
January 08 2009 16:51 GMT
#17
On January 09 2009 01:20 InfeSteD wrote:
The dweb PvT is so freaking strong.

The way Ive done it and I have seen a really good protoss friend of mine do it is by just massing goons only and since early in the game getting corsairs but dont let em in sight...
These strat is good to beat those turtlers T's that come out when they have a huge mass, you will be surprised how quickly their army goes down with dweb.. so basically start researching and gatherin a good amount of corsairs since early in the game and dont show them until the big deciding battle comes into place
+ Show Spoiler +

One of the best feelings in the world, seeing GOONS ONLY destroying a massive Terran Army just because of DWEB

God I love that shit, goon/sair is probably my favorite build of all time.
Peace~
Chau
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada408 Posts
January 08 2009 17:19 GMT
#18
Even if the reaver's don't fire, you may be able to get them to think the scarabs are just building and you have horrible timing... xD
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
January 08 2009 17:22 GMT
#19
PvP slow push with proxied shield batteries.

On January 08 2009 20:53 Salv wrote:
[*]Protoss vs Terran: Incorporating corsairs & disruption web. Idea from: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85496


Lol, game?
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
ish0wstopper
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)342 Posts
January 08 2009 17:36 GMT
#20
using dweb is a really old strat though
ish0wstopper effect
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 134
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 608
ZZZero.O 54
NaDa 19
Dota 2
syndereN519
capcasts108
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K552
Foxcn252
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox310
Chillindude30
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu385
Other Games
tarik_tv26292
gofns15710
summit1g3814
FrodaN2241
Grubby1853
fl0m966
KnowMe288
RotterdaM260
C9.Mang0116
ViBE46
PPMD13
ProTech6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1231
BasetradeTV14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta71
• LUISG 39
• RyuSc2 28
• poizon28 3
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 31
• iopq 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22056
League of Legends
• Doublelift3617
Other Games
• imaqtpie763
• Scarra563
Upcoming Events
Code For Giants Cup
5m
SC Evo League
13h 35m
TaeJa vs Cure
Rogue vs threepoint
ByuN vs Creator
MaNa vs Classic
Maestros of the Game
17h 35m
ShoWTimE vs Cham
GuMiho vs Ryung
Zoun vs Spirit
Rogue vs MaNa
[BSL 2025] Weekly
19h 35m
SC Evo League
1d 13h
Maestros of the Game
1d 17h
SHIN vs Creator
Astrea vs Lambo
Bunny vs SKillous
HeRoMaRinE vs TriGGeR
BSL Team Wars
1d 20h
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
BSL Team Wars
1d 20h
Team Dewalt vs Team Sziky
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Summer 2025
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.