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There are a lot of threads that theorycraft ideas. Usually the thread incorporate using a new unit or spell, or trying a new unit combination. The ones you often see are about queen usage in ZvT or dark archons in PvZ. So I've decided I'm going to start anew on iCCup & play all match ups with a special style or incorporating under-used units & spells.
I'm a Protoss player and thus far I have decided on:
If you have any ideas for match ups, please post them here. I'll be posting replays & some write-ups about how they worked or didn't work later in the day.
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PvP: Mass goons and use a probe shield of about 10 probes to counter the opponent's more expensive zealot supplements.
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Belgium9950 Posts
reaverhallucination in midgame PvP
if he focus fires at all he's fucked
edit: ofcourse archon hallucination is a classic one too. gets focusfired automatically, and you can have a shitload of real ones too after you merged your hallucinating ht's
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pvp - corsair dt, you hunt down observers with the corsairs
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Yea, you can work with hallucination alot imo maybe in PvP and definitely PvT.
Give it a try and tell us how it went!
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I remember seeing a pro game pvp on katrina where one of the players made a DA and used it to feedback his opponents HT's, that was pretty sweet.
I'd also like to see a PvT where toss gets arbs and constantly sends dts around the map and then makes DA's to feedback science vessels
Something i was just thinking about today was a build that takes advantage of the uniqueness of Andromeda having that min only up your main ramp. Instead of the normal forge FE you put down a gate instead and expo at your main into a power zeal timing attack. I dont know if this would actually work since you're stuck on 1 gas forever but since you're mostly just pumping zeals as fast as possible you might find a timing window where you would be able to get away w/ it.
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Calgary26003 Posts
I'll say it again. Skipping Robo completely and using DA's MC to MC Overlords for detection.
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In the recent pgl games the chinese players used early dweb vs terran, early da vs zerg, late game hallucination
so.. yea...
Bit of a shame nowdays everyone just copies the pro league scene and throwing creative play out the window
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I use DA's in almost every PvZ.
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On January 08 2009 22:21 Chill wrote:
I'll say it again. Skipping Robo completely and using DA's MC to MC Overlords for detection.
Chill is Gosu, This way you could skip observers for Lurkers.
DA/HT DROP, Da's for Maelstrom and then you Psi Storm, or use archon to kill stacked workers
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PvT get a scout to take hits from turrets for your reaver drop (with zealots to take hit from tanks)
PvZ hallucinate shuttles for storm drops
On January 08 2009 22:21 Chill wrote:
I'll say it again. Skipping Robo completely and using DA's MC to MC Overlords for detection.
Never thought of that one, it's fun but lose the ovie (to 2 scourges) and you are fucked.
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Canada15390 Posts
multi robo zealot/reaver doom drop pvp
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The dweb PvT is so freaking strong.
The way Ive done it and I have seen a really good protoss friend of mine do it is by just massing goons only and since early in the game getting corsairs but dont let em in sight...
These strat is good to beat those turtlers T's that come out when they have a huge mass, you will be surprised how quickly their army goes down with dweb.. so basically start researching and gatherin a good amount of corsairs since early in the game and dont show them until the big deciding battle comes into place
+ Show Spoiler +
One of the best feelings in the world, seeing GOONS ONLY destroying a massive Terran Army just because of DWEB
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United States44291 Posts
On January 08 2009 22:21 Chill wrote:
I'll say it again. Skipping Robo completely and using DA's MC to MC Overlords for detection.
How are you meant to protect them from scourge?
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Calgary26003 Posts
On January 09 2009 01:32 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2009 22:21 Chill wrote:
I'll say it again. Skipping Robo completely and using DA's MC to MC Overlords for detection. How are you meant to protect them from scourge?
With Corsairs?
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On January 08 2009 21:06 RaGe wrote:
reaverhallucination in midgame PvP
if he focus fires at all he's fucked
edit: ofcourse archon hallucination is a classic one too. gets focusfired automatically, and you can have a shitload of real ones too after you merged your hallucinating ht's
Hallu reavers don't fire so they will probably be spotted easily ):
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On January 09 2009 01:20 InfeSteD wrote:The dweb PvT is so freaking strong. The way Ive done it and I have seen a really good protoss friend of mine do it is by just massing goons only and since early in the game getting corsairs but dont let em in sight... These strat is good to beat those turtlers T's that come out when they have a huge mass, you will be surprised how quickly their army goes down with dweb.. so basically start researching and gatherin a good amount of corsairs since early in the game and dont show them until the big deciding battle comes into place + Show Spoiler +
One of the best feelings in the world, seeing GOONS ONLY destroying a massive Terran Army just because of DWEB
God I love that shit, goon/sair is probably my favorite build of all time.
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Even if the reaver's don't fire, you may be able to get them to think the scarabs are just building and you have horrible timing... xD
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Netherlands6142 Posts
PvP slow push with proxied shield batteries.
Lol, game?
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using dweb is a really old strat though
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On January 09 2009 02:19 Chau wrote:
Even if the reaver's don't fire, you may be able to get them to think the scarabs are just building and you have horrible timing... xD
well, the reavers will be only 100hp each, so it shouldn't matter. If he focus fire in them most probably they'll die instantly. Hell even 1 scarab shoot will do, but if it does it would have already paid off.
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I think the point of hallu reavers is to make the opponent move a bit too close.
i.e. playing PvP, the other guy will see your reaver moving slowly in the back, and charge their goons in to try and focus it down before it gets a chance to shoot.
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queen usage isnt theorycraft anymore.
we just dont have a proper BO down for it... but it's being used pretty consistently, usually off of two base no hydra den --> lair --> spire, queen+evo --> hive tech. july uses a greater spire variation while jaedong uses it with hydra lurkerling defiler
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overlords take 2 scourge to die, i really dont see any holes in this gameplan
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If you go DA vs Protoss who goes Reavers. MC his shuttle and BAM. Free reavers without needing the tech.
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^^
From my favorite thread:
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i played some faggot on iccup PVP when i was at c- level. this guy dt rushed me and it failed while i went reaver with speed shuttle upgrade. This guy then builds a crapload of cannons, and warps his dt's that didn't work into dark archons. i move all my units in front of his choke, then i start to run the shuttle around the back to harass. he freaking mind controls my damn speed shuttle with two reavers in it, runs to my base and rapes all my probes. i haven't played iccup since.
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On January 10 2009 11:21 tekushikume wrote:
i played some faggot on iccup PVP when i was at c- level. this guy dt rushed me and it failed while i went reaver with speed shuttle upgrade. This guy then builds a crapload of cannons, and warps his dt's that didn't work into dark archons. i move all my units in front of his choke, then i start to run the shuttle around the back to harass. he freaking mind controls my damn speed shuttle with two reavers in it, runs to my base and rapes all my probes. i haven't played iccup since.
This is why i hate protoss
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