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Few questions on PvT

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imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
December 31 2008 00:20 GMT
#1
These are some questions that have been killing my PvT.
Maybe I should put this in the strategy section?
I have no rep though;

1) PvT: is there any other indication that the terran is preparing for a timing push beside checking if he is building scvs? today i was up 3 bases to his 2, with dt drop doing decent damage (i think), but the push came a lot sooner than i expected, and after a few minutes, vultures rolled me.

which leads into
2) as a protoss, when you make reinforcements do you always make zealots? I fight the push by doing as much damage as I can with zealots / goons, but I pull back when all the zealots are dead and there are a few tanks with vulture support. This consequently results in a group of vultures going into my natural or my third and killing all probes as zealots can't kill them fast enough.

3) Forge timing. I mean this specifically for cannons.. when the timing push comes, i use most of my goons at my third as well to fight it off. but even if i kill the push, vultures go in and kill my probes T-T Should I not fight with the goons at my third?

4) Fighting 200/200 2-2 or 3-3 Terran - what the hell am i supposed to do!? I always miss the arbiter/carrier tech timing so i end up fighting the push without even storm. Is the only way to tech up? and is storm really essential? i've been noticing without storms, a push with 1-1 really kills me as well, not to mention a 200/200 terran.

5) Lastly, on a iccup game today, i had blocked the ramp with a goon, but then a scv who had no vision of my mineral patches proceeded to go through my goon.. how can I do this? is this even allowed?

Thank you if can answer! even if it's just one, try and help out T-T.

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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-31 00:41:28
December 31 2008 00:41 GMT
#2
For number 5, he probably did a gas trick (check replay first), you can post a complaint.

1) Terrans that open with FE have a lot of options, and it's very difficult to tell if the Terran is preparing for a timing push. Typically, if he has five or six factories (two with add-on), odds are he's going to roll out at around 100 food, targeted to take you out after you take your third. Some Terrans cut SCVs, but some don't, so that's not the determining factor.

2) I typically do 2 gate range goons and take my third as soon as I know Terran is doing FE. You need to add up to 8 or 9 gates after you take your third. You HAVE TO cut probes if you want to stop the timing push. There is no way around it. Make lots of Zealots. You should have him out-numbered if you cut probes. Flank as soon as he rolls out.

3) I add forge after I take my third as part of wall (either on ramp or around my nexus) to protect my probes. You don't necessarily have to add cannons if you wall well and have a few goons rallied near your nat and third. Your problem sounds like you aren't macroing hard enough when you are fighting. Don't build pure zealots, build some goons after you kill off the first push.

4) Arbiters. If he is playing Turtle, fly your arbiters around the map and try to recall into unprotected areas. Take over the entire map as Terran typically tries to get to 200/200 on three bases. Make LOTS of gateways and upgrade everything you can, since you will have a lot of resources.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24678 Posts
December 31 2008 00:47 GMT
#3
For 5 he may have right clicked on a mineral patch before the previous scv died.
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imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-31 01:19:59
December 31 2008 01:17 GMT
#4
On December 31 2008 09:47 micronesia wrote:
For 5 he may have right clicked on a mineral patch before the previous scv died.


oh maybe i should've clarified; it was his first scouting scv. i saw it run around in my natural for awhile then it did some ninja shit and went through my goon T-T
and i'm sure it was some kind of trick; i had my goon on hold position


cambium thanks!

my pvp and pvz is at around 60% combined, but my pvt is at like 30.
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 31 2008 02:07 GMT
#5
On December 31 2008 10:17 imperfect wrote:
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On December 31 2008 09:47 micronesia wrote:
For 5 he may have right clicked on a mineral patch before the previous scv died.


oh maybe i should've clarified; it was his first scouting scv. i saw it run around in my natural for awhile then it did some ninja shit and went through my goon T-T
and i'm sure it was some kind of trick; i had my goon on hold position


cambium thanks!

my pvp and pvz is at around 60% combined, but my pvt is at like 30.


From your description, I'm almost 100% it's the gas trick. You hold down shift and right click the empty geyser until the work's waypoint is full, then you click inside the base.
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