• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:02
CEST 06:02
KST 13:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL46Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th12Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0EWC 2025 Regional Qualifier Results26
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview Magnus Carlsen and Fabi review Clem's chess game. Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing
Tourneys
Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Mihu vs Korea Players Statistics BW General Discussion [BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 2
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Cognitive styles x game perf…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 21935 users

Few questions on PvT

Blogs > imperfect
Post a Reply
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
December 31 2008 00:20 GMT
#1
These are some questions that have been killing my PvT.
Maybe I should put this in the strategy section?
I have no rep though;

1) PvT: is there any other indication that the terran is preparing for a timing push beside checking if he is building scvs? today i was up 3 bases to his 2, with dt drop doing decent damage (i think), but the push came a lot sooner than i expected, and after a few minutes, vultures rolled me.

which leads into
2) as a protoss, when you make reinforcements do you always make zealots? I fight the push by doing as much damage as I can with zealots / goons, but I pull back when all the zealots are dead and there are a few tanks with vulture support. This consequently results in a group of vultures going into my natural or my third and killing all probes as zealots can't kill them fast enough.

3) Forge timing. I mean this specifically for cannons.. when the timing push comes, i use most of my goons at my third as well to fight it off. but even if i kill the push, vultures go in and kill my probes T-T Should I not fight with the goons at my third?

4) Fighting 200/200 2-2 or 3-3 Terran - what the hell am i supposed to do!? I always miss the arbiter/carrier tech timing so i end up fighting the push without even storm. Is the only way to tech up? and is storm really essential? i've been noticing without storms, a push with 1-1 really kills me as well, not to mention a 200/200 terran.

5) Lastly, on a iccup game today, i had blocked the ramp with a goon, but then a scv who had no vision of my mineral patches proceeded to go through my goon.. how can I do this? is this even allowed?

Thank you if can answer! even if it's just one, try and help out T-T.

*
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-31 00:41:28
December 31 2008 00:41 GMT
#2
For number 5, he probably did a gas trick (check replay first), you can post a complaint.

1) Terrans that open with FE have a lot of options, and it's very difficult to tell if the Terran is preparing for a timing push. Typically, if he has five or six factories (two with add-on), odds are he's going to roll out at around 100 food, targeted to take you out after you take your third. Some Terrans cut SCVs, but some don't, so that's not the determining factor.

2) I typically do 2 gate range goons and take my third as soon as I know Terran is doing FE. You need to add up to 8 or 9 gates after you take your third. You HAVE TO cut probes if you want to stop the timing push. There is no way around it. Make lots of Zealots. You should have him out-numbered if you cut probes. Flank as soon as he rolls out.

3) I add forge after I take my third as part of wall (either on ramp or around my nexus) to protect my probes. You don't necessarily have to add cannons if you wall well and have a few goons rallied near your nat and third. Your problem sounds like you aren't macroing hard enough when you are fighting. Don't build pure zealots, build some goons after you kill off the first push.

4) Arbiters. If he is playing Turtle, fly your arbiters around the map and try to recall into unprotected areas. Take over the entire map as Terran typically tries to get to 200/200 on three bases. Make LOTS of gateways and upgrade everything you can, since you will have a lot of resources.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24644 Posts
December 31 2008 00:47 GMT
#3
For 5 he may have right clicked on a mineral patch before the previous scv died.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-31 01:19:59
December 31 2008 01:17 GMT
#4
On December 31 2008 09:47 micronesia wrote:
For 5 he may have right clicked on a mineral patch before the previous scv died.


oh maybe i should've clarified; it was his first scouting scv. i saw it run around in my natural for awhile then it did some ninja shit and went through my goon T-T
and i'm sure it was some kind of trick; i had my goon on hold position


cambium thanks!

my pvp and pvz is at around 60% combined, but my pvt is at like 30.
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 31 2008 02:07 GMT
#5
On December 31 2008 10:17 imperfect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2008 09:47 micronesia wrote:
For 5 he may have right clicked on a mineral patch before the previous scv died.


oh maybe i should've clarified; it was his first scouting scv. i saw it run around in my natural for awhile then it did some ninja shit and went through my goon T-T
and i'm sure it was some kind of trick; i had my goon on hold position


cambium thanks!

my pvp and pvz is at around 60% combined, but my pvt is at like 30.


From your description, I'm almost 100% it's the gas trick. You hold down shift and right click the empty geyser until the work's waypoint is full, then you click inside the base.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 254
NeuroSwarm 216
Livibee 207
StarCraft: Brood War
Sharp 85
ToSsGirL 34
Bale 12
Terrorterran 9
Movie 2
Dota 2
monkeys_forever702
League of Legends
tarik_tv7105
JimRising 953
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King99
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor135
Other Games
summit1g9010
shahzam1906
WinterStarcraft416
ViBE252
RuFF_SC2179
Models1
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream998
Other Games
gamesdonequick683
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH303
• practicex 29
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5768
• Shiphtur1034
• Lourlo975
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
6h 58m
Replay Cast
19h 58m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 6h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 6h
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL Code S
3 days
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Cheesadelphia
5 days
GSL Code S
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.