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doghunter
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States23 Posts
December 17 2008 23:41 GMT
#21
Organic chemistry is more like biology... >_>
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
December 17 2008 23:41 GMT
#22
I've always advised people to choose subjects they enjoy rather than just the ones they get high scores in. I always did better in economics tests than maths, but I'm still doing a maths degree.

Is your chemistry grade significantly worse than another subject you're considering?
And how are you losing marks? Is it lack of understanding, forgot a detail, trivial mistakes?

Nice that you get to apply to so many unis, here we get 5 choices and medical students get 4.
No I'm never serious.
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 23:45:19
December 17 2008 23:44 GMT
#23
On December 18 2008 08:41 Nytefish wrote:
I've always advised people to choose subjects they enjoy rather than just the ones they get high scores in. I always did better in economics tests than maths, but I'm still doing a maths degree.

Is your chemistry grade significantly worse than another subject you're considering?
And how are you losing marks? Is it lack of understanding, forgot a detail, trivial mistakes?

Nice that you get to apply to so many unis, here we get 5 choices and medical students get 4.


I very much enjoy chemistry. I haven't really considered other courses I just always loved chemistry..

I will post my study sheet in a few minutes maybe someone could do me a favour and check it over to make sure it's free of mistakes before i study from it.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17070 Posts
December 17 2008 23:44 GMT
#24
Haha, I only applied to three, two of them being state schools :/

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Kami
Profile Joined July 2008
United States127 Posts
December 18 2008 00:03 GMT
#25
On December 18 2008 07:27 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
Yes i know what you mean I had an organic chemistry test (pure memorization) and there was only simple math really involved. It took me about 7 hours but i managed to memorize everything, and I only got a 65%. It's really annoying since somehow people would come in go "Omg theres a test today?" and still clutch better marks then me.


Maybe you should not study at all and go into a test saying "OMG, there's a test today." I say that all the time and get higher grades than my peers.

On a more serious note, you should upload your test. Then we could see how hard the problems are. Maybe you have this crazy teacher that is too harsh with grades.
jyhlol
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
243 Posts
December 18 2008 00:11 GMT
#26
I felt confident with high school chemistry..
but when first year came around..let's just say i bombed the final
and yes i studied quite a bit lols..
*praying for a good scaled mark*

my gr12 average was 86ish, and to my disbelief i actually made it.. not sure on the current acceptance averages tho since i don't think provincials are required for many universities any more
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Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
December 18 2008 00:20 GMT
#27
i think its like someone else pointed out, its about studying well, not studying a lot. study however and as long as you feel most comfortably, i did very good in chemistry (high school anyways) and people were always suprised about my study habits compared to theirs
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Tynuji
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
127 Posts
December 18 2008 00:23 GMT
#28
On December 18 2008 08:41 doghunter wrote:
Organic chemistry is more like biology... >_>


Actually, organic chemistry and biology differ vastly. Yes they are connected, but in first year, biology focuses on evolution, behaviours and patterns in living things. There will be some genetics yes, but the majority focuses on why an organism does this and how we can predict the reasons for it and test it experimentally. A lot of people make the connection orgo chem is like biology because the examples many people use have to do with the reactions in our body because people commonly that go into science pursue human care (pharmaceuticals, physician etc) so examples are provided that will link into what they'll most likely encounter.

Organic chemistry focuses on organic molecules, how they react, how they are synthesized, why certain reagents do this and such. During the first year, making the connections to biology and organic chemistry is hard. You'll get a DNA here and there and in genetics you might use some chemistry (charges and acid base stuff) but overall biology focuses on the organism itself and digs deep into evolution.

A lot of people think they're very close because of stuff like cell membranes and phospholipid bilayer, nucleotides and amino acids. But that hardly touches the subject of evolution, natural selection, behaviour, mating and etc.

Biology actually branches out into various fields. A lot of people will think, "Oh biology! I'll take it to become a doctor!" On the contrary, biology leads into subjects such as "Human Biology" or "Biochemistry" which then you'll go into the field of medicine.

First year biology will actually focus much more on ecology and stuff like that, how animals evolved appendages, how they evolved mate calling and dancing etc. It's in second year where chemistry and biology merge into what people commonly see as "biology" and studies into medicine.

meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 18 2008 00:32 GMT
#29
Get a smart classmate to study with. It's usually better to work in a study group.
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Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
December 18 2008 06:09 GMT
#30
Just to be clear at all the people picking apart my Chemistry is all about math statement, Organic Chemistry is usually two-three classes out of a chemistry major in university that is about 50-60% based on your knowledge of how to setup math problems. It looks like he knows the theory and is not setting up the problems correctly or solving them properly. I understand Organic Chemistry isn't about math, its about making chemistry jokes like the FERRIS WHEEL or MERCEDES BENZENE.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
December 18 2008 06:26 GMT
#31
I know how you feel. I took this entry level programming course and really enjoyed it. I understood everything in the class. However, I did terrible in it. I wasn't fast enough on the tests (containing 4 - 5 programming problems where you write the code by hand) and did badly on them.

I've noticed that many (most) asian students I've known study in a way that I consider sub-optimal. They seem to memorize things most of the time. For example, in writing a note sheet, if there are a couple "types" of problems that are going to be on the test (such as a specific stoichiometry problem or something) they will copy down examples from the book on that type of problem. Not that it is the wrong approach, many times they get better grades than most people, but I just consider it sub-optimal.

My strategy is to learn as little as possible. My goal in any class I take is to memorize and learn as little new material as possible. If I want to solve a problem, I start with a few fundamental equations and work myself up to the logic of the problem. I never write examples on my note sheets, only the basic equations. I usually do just as well (if not better than) students who laboriously study, and spend a lot less time.

Of course I didn't major in chemistry so I may be completely wrong here....wasn't into the biochem stuff at all :D
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