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How the heck does cheese ever work

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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 19 2008 09:57 GMT
#1
I've played like 15 games of dedicated cheese, and lost every single one of them heavily, even against people who are like D after 100 games. Even 2 gate proxy inside the other guy's base failed. Please someone show me how I am supposed to cheese t.t somehow it just does not work at all for me.

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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 19 2008 10:15 GMT
#2
Lol I guess iCCup has conditioned everyone who doesn't normally cheese to be incredibly anti-cheese effective now.
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
November 19 2008 10:19 GMT
#3
First off try being Terran. I find that proxy rax into a bunker rush is much easier to pull off than a proxy gateway sort of deal.
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H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
November 19 2008 10:29 GMT
#4
On November 19 2008 19:19 SpiralArchitect wrote:
First off try being Boxer.



But yeah, on iCCup I usually expect people to cheese me.
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 19 2008 10:34 GMT
#5
On November 19 2008 19:29 H_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2008 19:19 SpiralArchitect wrote:
First off try being Boxer.



But yeah, on iCCup I usually expect people to cheese me.


dammit t.t
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
November 19 2008 11:01 GMT
#6
Everyone on iccup plays extra defensive to not lose to cheese
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
November 19 2008 11:47 GMT
#7
the first thing iccup teaches a new ladder player is cheese defense. successfully cheesing a player that is at the same level as you gets more and more difficult.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
November 19 2008 15:06 GMT
#8
On November 19 2008 20:47 intrigue wrote:
the first thing iccup teaches a new ladder player is cheese defense. successfully cheesing a player that is at the same level as you gets more and more difficult.


yeah it gets more and more difficult. Imagine the difficulty at progamer level. This is why Boxers and Nal_ras cheeses are so damn amazing.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
November 19 2008 15:17 GMT
#9
k youre bad you dont need to blog about it.
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vAltyR
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States581 Posts
November 19 2008 15:20 GMT
#10
On November 19 2008 19:34 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2008 19:29 H_ wrote:
On November 19 2008 19:19 SpiralArchitect wrote:
First off try being Boxer.



But yeah, on iCCup I usually expect people to cheese me.


dammit t.t


Frankly, I make it a point not to cheese. I try to practice my standard play as much as possible, because it's so much more satisfying to stop a n00b with 3 control groups of zealots, goons, and maybe a reaver or two than to win with like 5 zealots.

(insert 1a2a3a joke here)

Hey, it worked for iloveoov... though granted i have done a proxy double robo on one of my friends before... hehehe.
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anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
November 19 2008 15:21 GMT
#11
I wonder what it's like when a terran is 2 raxing mid map and a toss is 99 gating mid map
that's gotta be an awkward confrontation
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-19 15:27:21
November 19 2008 15:26 GMT
#12
On November 20 2008 00:21 anderoo wrote:
I wonder what it's like when a terran is 2 raxing mid map and a toss is 99 gating mid map
that's gotta be an awkward confrontation


I did that vs my friend on fastest haha, he won but hes D lvl and im C- T_T

(he was the protoss ofc)
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BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
November 19 2008 15:56 GMT
#13
On November 20 2008 00:21 anderoo wrote:
I wonder what it's like when a terran is 2 raxing mid map and a toss is 99 gating mid map
that's gotta be an awkward confrontation


That's actually happened to me a couple times, because I prefer cheese and fast games rather than long macro build ups. Its basically all up to how well Terran can micro his marines and if he sends in a couple of scvs or not. Makes it for a pretty intense game if your opponent is good and knows what to do.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 19 2008 16:17 GMT
#14
On November 20 2008 00:17 Chill wrote:
k youre bad you dont need to blog about it.


LOLOL
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-19 16:32:41
November 19 2008 16:31 GMT
#15
you need to have better micro than your opponent. You also need to know how to follow up if your cheese were to fail/only do moderate damage. Basically a cheese game plan.

For example, many progamers 2 gate proxy on blue storm PvP and PvT, they expect to be scouted and countered, but also expect to deal moderate to large damage to opponents economy while building up their own economy/tech to get ahead.
Cheesing is actually pretty difficult if you aren't comfortable with it, the only tip is to cheese more and analyze on how make it failsafe. Most cheeses, especially with protoss are supposed to be failsafe against almost any build.
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
November 19 2008 17:48 GMT
#16
How does 2nd hatch inside my main into pool into mass ling mass expo win me a c rank. IT JUST DOES
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
November 19 2008 18:05 GMT
#17
On November 20 2008 02:48 IzzyCraft wrote:
How does 2nd hatch inside my main into pool into mass ling mass expo win me a c rank. IT JUST DOES


vs T? I would never lose to that and im C- so....
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
November 19 2008 18:09 GMT
#18
The success of cheese relies on the element of surprise mainly. So, on iccup everyone knows you will cheese and that means it no longer hinges on the surprise, but on your execution. However, I agree with the fact that if you are not used to doing strats like that you will have a hard time, even as protoss.

On November 20 2008 02:48 IzzyCraft wrote:
How does 2nd hatch inside my main into pool into mass ling mass expo win me a c rank. IT JUST DOES


Lols. I hate that build.

An ugly planet. A bug planet.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 19 2008 19:07 GMT
#19
On November 20 2008 02:48 IzzyCraft wrote:
How does 2nd hatch inside my main into pool into mass ling mass expo win me a c rank. IT JUST DOES


vs P it's amazing, because 2 cannons doesn't defend well against 3 control groups of lings >.>

and if you transition into hydra fast enough, you can just drone up and expand like sin, and most C level players can't deal with it.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
November 19 2008 19:08 GMT
#20
On November 20 2008 00:06 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2008 20:47 intrigue wrote:
the first thing iccup teaches a new ladder player is cheese defense. successfully cheesing a player that is at the same level as you gets more and more difficult.


yeah it gets more and more difficult. Imagine the difficulty at progamer level. This is why Boxers and Nal_ras cheeses are so damn amazing.

yeah, very true
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