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thoraxe
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Chef
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nimysa
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Pokebunny
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On November 18 2008 09:48 Chef wrote: By your friend, do you mean your grade 9 homework? Grade 7 homework last year. ;_; | ||
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Folca
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 There was way more than the message of the book rather than treating otheres, It concerns about the harm and tragedy of racism, and how even such innocense could be corrupted so badly, I dont know if what im saying is truely right, but thats the jist of it, I guess Quick entry cause im doing homework revolving around English class also  | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On November 18 2008 09:49 nimysa wrote: Who cares? There are millions of better books out there, I hated it personally because I had to read it for school and the premise was completely unoriginal. Go read watchmen! This is such a dumb post, you call one of the seminal works of literature crap, say it's unoriginal, and say go read Watchmen....did it ever occur to you that it's not original because OTHERS copied IT, not the other way around, because it was powerful enough to create an entire cliche? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 18 2008 09:59 NoobsOfWrath wrote: This is such a dumb post, you call one of the seminal works of literature crap, say it's unoriginal, and say go read Watchmen....did it ever occur to you that it's not original because OTHERS copied IT, not the other way around, because it was powerful enough to create an entire cliche? or maybe because it is a piece of crap srsly i'll read a book if its good the only reason we read that book was to read about the plight of the black man as angry white people made them suffer for no good reason i like other books that involve race issues, but this is nowhere near the top of any book I have read. | ||
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stanley_
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FragKrag
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SingletonWilliam
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I strongly disagree with Caller and nimysa. | ||
Jibba
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On November 18 2008 10:06 Caller wrote: or maybe because it is a piece of crap srsly i'll read a book if its good the only reason we read that book was to read about the plight of the black man as angry white people made them suffer for no good reason i like other books that involve race issues, but this is nowhere near the top of any book I have read. It's about much more than race issues. I can see complaining about I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, but TKAM is actually pretty good. | ||
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
On November 18 2008 09:49 nimysa wrote: Who cares? There are millions of better books out there, I hated it personally because I had to read it for school and the premise was completely unoriginal. Go read watchmen! Wowo. To Kill A Mocking Bird is not only one of the most influential works of literature ever, its also one of the best movies of its time. The premise was one of the most original of its time as well, which just gos to show how much you payed attention when you had to read it in school. Edit: @Caller. You clearly missed the point of the book. Its about much much more than just race issues, it covers prejudice more than just racial hate. Seriously, its ok if you dont like the book, but how can you call it crappy? Thats like calling Beowulf crappy. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
Also, I assume Pokebunny is just trying to show off, as I'd imagine any seventh grader reading To Kill a Mockingbird is going to miss a great deal of the significance of the work. If you want to level a reasonable complaint against the novel, you could say something along the lines of: The emotion you feel for the characters is too easily obtained. Atticus is too perfect, Ewell is too evil. It never places the reader in any sort of moral ambiguity, as the book purposely constructs good and bad as being very easily distinguishable. Ironically, Capote's (a contemporary/friend) novel In Cold Blood is all about that, and challenges the reader to feel empathy/sympathy for the murderers. Still, it's a fantastic book, and should be taught in school without a doubt. | ||
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lesser_good
Canada698 Posts
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zachmorris
United States106 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
your last four posts: On November 18 2008 10:50 zachmorris wrote: who cares? On November 18 2008 10:50 zachmorris wrote: who cares? On November 15 2008 21:59 zachmorris wrote: who cares... On November 15 2008 21:49 zachmorris wrote: who cares.... You posted the first two in two different threads in the SAME second | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On November 18 2008 11:10 OneOther wrote: hey zachmorris, shut the fuck up. your last four posts: You posted the first two in two different threads in the SAME second O.O | ||
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Caller
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On November 18 2008 10:33 SpiralArchitect wrote: Wowo. To Kill A Mocking Bird is not only one of the most influential works of literature ever, its also one of the best movies of its time. The premise was one of the most original of its time as well, which just gos to show how much you payed attention when you had to read it in school. Edit: @Caller. You clearly missed the point of the book. Its about much much more than just race issues, it covers prejudice more than just racial hate. Seriously, its ok if you dont like the book, but how can you call it crappy? Thats like calling Beowulf crappy. i don't disagree that the issues are important i just don't like it when they wave it in your face and force you to read about it that's what we did in our school and I didn't like that very much -_- maybe it wasn't that crappy. but it wasn't good. | ||
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Chef
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On November 18 2008 11:50 Caller wrote: i don't disagree that the issues are important i just don't like it when they wave it in your face and force you to read about it that's what we did in our school and I didn't like that very much -_- maybe it wasn't that crappy. but it wasn't good. No, it was good. You just have very weak critical thinking skills. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 18 2008 12:01 Chef wrote: No, it was good. You just have very weak critical thinking skills. No, it was bad. You just have poor taste in literature. PPPPPP jkjkjkjk | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
while I never hated reading the books that they assigned (if they were bad then they wouldn't assign them kk?) I really loved it when I enjoyed a book that was assigned you know? Like "wow, I wish I would have read this sooner." | ||
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Frits
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On November 18 2008 11:50 Caller wrote: i don't disagree that the issues are important i just don't like it when they wave it in your face and force you to read about it that's what we did in our school and I didn't like that very much -_- maybe it wasn't that crappy. but it wasn't good. How can you call to kill a mockingbird a crappy book, seriously you're either too young or dumb to appreciate it, I can't imagine any other reason. Maybe you didn't like the theme but jesus christ how can you call it a BAD book, what the fuck classifies as a good book in your opinion? And dont say Harry Potter or the ghost of Gregory Peck is going to come over to your house and slap the shit out of you. | ||
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Frits
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![[image loading]](http://www.worldmag.com/images/content/seu39.jpg) You see that? That's Gregory motherfucking Peck and he isn't amused by your edgy opinion. | ||
thedeadhaji
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QuietIdiot
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On November 18 2008 12:14 Frits wrote: You see that? That's Gregory motherfucking Peck and he isn't amused by your edgy opinion. One of the most manliest characters ever conceived. /respect. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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However in modern day literature I really enjoyed work by Dan Brown, he wrote The Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons for those who don't know, I liked the writing style however he becomes quite repetitive in his twists to his stories. Still some good reading though, kind of informative and interesting at the same time (he had 2 other books, I think it was Deception Point and Digital Fortress? Just in case anyone was interested) I think I would enjoy other book types like that, similar to the Bourne trilogy. Any recommendations anyone? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 18 2008 12:10 Frits wrote: How can you call to kill a mockingbird a crappy book, seriously you're either too young or dumb to appreciate it, I can't imagine any other reason. Maybe you didn't like the theme but jesus christ how can you call it a BAD book, what the fuck classifies as a good book in your opinion? And dont say Harry Potter or the ghost of Gregory Peck is going to come over to your house and slap the shit out of you. brothers karamazov the cherry orchard the power of one wuthering heights death of a salesman the monkeypaw's curse | ||
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thoraxe
United States1449 Posts
On November 18 2008 09:48 Chef wrote: By your friend, do you mean your grade 9 homework? not exactly  O.O I read the book on 9th grade, but this is for a book analysis that I'm doing in which I'm debating of what message to talk about. On November 18 2008 10:40 lesser_good wrote: books dont have to have ONE message. This book in particular has quite a few. Including both yours and your 'friends' I guess lesser_good was the only one that actually doesn't hate the book. | ||
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Jibba
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Not_Computer
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On November 18 2008 12:14 Frits wrote: "Son, whatever you do... do not mock a killingbird" | ||
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meegrean
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benjammin
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thoraxe
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On November 18 2008 14:31 benjammin wrote: If you've never had to read it, how do you know it's boring? How's that saying go? Don't judge a book... something something cover... Dude, is that the point of the book, not judge a book by its cover? | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On November 18 2008 10:33 SpiralArchitect wrote: Seriously, its ok if you dont like the book, but how can you call it crappy? Thats like calling Beowulf crappy. Um, Beowulf is crappy. It gets to be a "classic" since it's 1000 years old. | ||
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
Good book, good book. | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
This book, 1984, The Jungle, and Grapes of Wrath are some of my favorites. I guess I just like depressing books! I'm glad I got to read them in high school, it's really hard to find books nowadays that hit me the way the classics do. | ||
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Raithed
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SpiralArchitect
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On November 18 2008 14:38 qrs wrote: Um, Beowulf is crappy. It gets to be a "classic" since it's 1000 years old. What? Beowulf is the most influential work of English literature ever in my opinion. It has become the basis for so many other stories and has been redone hundreds if not thousands of times. Even if you arent smart enough to understand it you could at least appreciate its historical value and its value to English literature. For Christs sake its the oldest work of English literature ever iirc. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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like seriously, analyzing literature is like fucking ABCs. | ||
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
On November 18 2008 16:18 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: if you can't analyze literature you are like the lowest form of human like seriously, analyzing literature is like fucking ABCs. It's possibly easier since ABC's can be wrong... | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On November 18 2008 16:18 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: if you can't analyze literature you are like the lowest form of human like seriously, analyzing literature is like fucking ABCs. Would you like to write my Master's thesis then? I was considering analyzing how modern movements in literature and film display a shift from the postmodern/post-structuralist/post-anything mindset that was so dominant after the 1960s in literary thought back to Modernism (in the vein of Joyce and Eliot) that uses the psychological impacts of 9/11 as the tipping point. It's a bit cross-discipline, so that might not be so ABC. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On November 18 2008 17:32 benjammin wrote: Would you like to write my Master's thesis then? I was considering analyzing how modern movements in literature and film display a shift from the postmodern/post-structuralist/post-anything mindset that was so dominant after the 1960s in literary thought back to Modernism (in the vein of Joyce and Eliot) that uses the psychological impacts of 9/11 as the tipping point. It's a bit cross-discipline, so that might not be so ABC. sounds easy enough, just give me the resources and time to do it. (i'm not actually going to do it, because writing a thesis is going a bit far to prove a point) its just fucking collecting examples and tracing patterns | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On November 18 2008 17:43 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: sounds easy enough, just give me the resources and time to do it. (i'm not actually going to do it, because writing a thesis is going a bit far to prove a point) its just fucking collecting examples and tracing patterns So is genetics, so is studying the CA3 Schaffer collaterals and the signals they send to CA1 hippocampal neurons in the rat brain...anything can be reduced to the basics. It's kind of ironic that that's exactly what the fucking 'scientific method' is: collecting examples and drawing conclusions. You're just being ignorant and trying to attack humanities and fine arts majors as less than practical applied science majors. I'd assume you're just purposely trolling to be a dick and don't actually think that, because if you do you don't really have any place in any sort of argument of this nature. | ||
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benjammin
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It's here, if you like: http://www.blakearchive.org/exist/blake/archive/copy.xq?copyid=jerusalem.e&java=no | ||
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Suggestion Box
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With hindsight I can say the story probably is also a bit of a tragedy in the ancient Greek sense, but twisted, because you got society there making bad decisions, bad things happening to good people while the good people you empathize with ("you"), forced to watch, helpless. I think that would be a sweet angle to attack the story from, if you know something about Greek tragedy, and how could you not? | ||
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Jibba
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qrs
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On November 18 2008 16:10 SpiralArchitect wrote: What? Beowulf is the most influential work of English literature ever in my opinion. It has become the basis for so many other stories and has been redone hundreds if not thousands of times. Even if you arent smart enough to understand it you could at least appreciate its historical value and its value to English literature. For Christs sake its the oldest work of English literature ever iirc. Sticks and stones... And as for the rest of your post, you just repeat what I said (yes, it's old). That doesn't make it a good piece of writing. (Although granted I didn't read it in Old English.) Your post is more or less a non sequitur. | ||
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Suggestion Box
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Jibba
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Chef
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With hindsight I can say the story probably is also a bit of a tragedy in the ancient Greek sense Blow it out your dick, if you know what I mean. | ||
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TheYango
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On November 18 2008 16:10 SpiralArchitect wrote: What? Beowulf is the most influential work of English literature ever in my opinion. It has become the basis for so many other stories and has been redone hundreds if not thousands of times. Even if you arent smart enough to understand it you could at least appreciate its historical value and its value to English literature. For Christs sake its the oldest work of English literature ever iirc. The Canterbury Tales? Agree with everything else though. | ||
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HooHa!
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