1-Is it ok to skip reavers? (I don't like 2 Base-Reaver builds)
2-(General question for BS) If Terran splits map with a lot golies/turrets/tanks etc. how do you suppose to break it, just simply keep searching weak points with carriers?
3-Is this build solid against 2 fac openings in BS? (Since your scouting is denied, you can not know wtf is he doing)

Can not watch the spirit vod (It is not buffering at all), after i'll watch, surely i'll have more questions.

boesthius

United States11637 Posts

August 30 2008 07:58 GMT

#28

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Carefree

United States1571 Posts

August 30 2008 08:13 GMT

#29

NonY, you're the first foreign pro that I was introduced too and you have been my favorite ever since. Hopefully we'll be seeing you in Korea. =)

NonY FIGHTING!!!!

NonY

8751 Posts

August 30 2008 13:40 GMT

#30

yeah i want to go to korea and be in a starleague!

hyperionnn-
1 and 3 are the same question. you need to build the robo at that time and head toward shuttle/reaver asap in order to survive a 2fact. if he is going for upgraded vult sneak (no siege tanks), you have to build a pylon wall outside your natural to stop them. i like to build 1 pylon outside my natural when im at 33 supply, just to get the wall started, since there isn't really a better place to build that pylon anyway.

2: yes, carriers overcome. that's the strength of this build. a 2 base carrier build is about timing and catching the terran off guard. this carrier build is about brute strength carriers. it's only when you're just kind of macroing and then suddenly decide "i need carriers" or "i can get carriers" that there's a chance they won't be able to overcome. having a specific plan like this build will make all the difference

thanks to everyone for supportive comments!

TonyL2

England1953 Posts

August 30 2008 15:58 GMT

#31

Well I'm gonna get this rep asap and attempt to try it.

Great victory and when you can you really should make a Protoss guide with all your compiled stuff etc, I know it will make a bunch of us ecstatic.

d1v

Sweden868 Posts

August 30 2008 16:49 GMT

#32

From your point of view as a Protoss, what can a Terran do to overcome this strategy? What are you afraid of, apart from early rushes?

SkelA

Macedonia13080 Posts

August 30 2008 17:52 GMT

#33

Wow thanks Nony!! Lately i was failing badly at pvt espesialy on blue storm nothing worked i did... went like 35-40% ratio in pvt and my pvz and zvp were on 60-65% just was so damn pissed how terran can camp in middle and everything i do just fails.

I tried this bo on longinus and looks preety damn solid . I was even 2 fact rushed too 3 tanks 5 marines mass vults speed with mine survived even without the reaver and was maxed around 14 min

Thanks again!!

United States6173 Posts

August 30 2008 19:01 GMT

#34

On August 30 2008 22:40 NonY[rC] wrote:
yeah i want to go to korea and be in a starleague!

Best of luck then...among foreigners, you're my favorite. How fucking cool would it be to see Nony on the list of OSL champions?

NonY

8751 Posts

August 30 2008 19:10 GMT

#35

d1v, sorry im not very good at knowing what the terran ought to do. my only losses have come when i make obvious mistakes, like microing units poorly for a key battle, or from sucking at macro (ignoring gateways for a period of time, or sending probes slowly, etc). i think this kind of gameplan really leaves it to the abilities of the players to simply play bw without mind games or hard counters or anything, and just battle it out. if the terran slips up in macro, or puts his units in bad positioning, or gets surprised, then he'll lose. and the exact same is true for the toss. if both play really well, then it's gonna be an epic long game... though i'd have to say, i'd expect the 3-3 carriers to win in the end, just cuz it's blue storm.

d1v

Sweden868 Posts

August 30 2008 22:12 GMT

#36

On August 31 2008 04:10 NonY[rC] wrote:
d1v, sorry im not very good at knowing what the terran ought to do. my only losses have come when i make obvious mistakes, like microing units poorly for a key battle, or from sucking at macro (ignoring gateways for a period of time, or sending probes slowly, etc). i think this kind of gameplan really leaves it to the abilities of the players to simply play bw without mind games or hard counters or anything, and just battle it out. if the terran slips up in macro, or puts his units in bad positioning, or gets surprised, then he'll lose. and the exact same is true for the toss. if both play really well, then it's gonna be an epic long game... though i'd have to say, i'd expect the 3-3 carriers to win in the end, just cuz it's blue storm.

Alright, I see, thanks for the response. Your build really seems to be very stable, so indeed, no hard countering possible. What do you think of massive Dropship usage?

Sentenal

United States12398 Posts

August 31 2008 02:48 GMT

#37

I've been a long time fan of yours, Nony, and it was great to see you beat a Korean like that. Keep it up, it would be amazing to see you go to Korea.

NonY

8751 Posts

August 31 2008 16:34 GMT

#38

dropships could be useful but they're pretty unusual for blue storm. the protoss would adjust by getting more goons, cannons, and slower carriers.

SiegeTanksandBlueGoo

China685 Posts

August 31 2008 17:32 GMT

#39

Nony's the BEST.

but do you have any more replays of you doing this build? I'd like to see how you'd respond to say, MnM rush if you scout it, or exactly how you'd respond to a 2 fac (would you counter his base his JF, or defend the push with reavers), or a 6 fac timing push, etc.

Thanks a lot. :D

NonY

8751 Posts

August 31 2008 18:52 GMT

#40

i'm not gonna release more reps or say how to handle stuff. as it is now, the info i have given out is 100% useless to my opponents. they can watch the rep and think "well if i have no offense and my econ is slow, then i'll get raped!" but if i say things like "if i see X at Y time, then i do Z in response" then they have useful info. anyway, such in-depth advice stifles the player's own ability to solve problems.