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[Replay]Build Template - Macro into Carriers @ Blue Storm

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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
August 29 2008 18:01 GMT
#1
Replay: http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=6232&name=Jasari vs Hoile.rep

This replay shows the template for a strong macro carrier build (as opposed to something like a 2 base carrier build) for PvT Blue Storm. It gets you 4 base econ, max supply with zealot/goon/carrier/maybe reaver, and +1 air/ground with +2 air coming all by 12:30. I use this same concept in one of my Spirit Tournament matches: http://scforall.com/sctv/sc_tv01.asp?mNum=s04&movNum=92

I believe the build is very safe, but depending on what the Terran does, there are many many ways for it to branch off that a single replay can't possibly show. All those things are for you to discover. Whenever the Terran gets something on you, watch the replay and ask "what could I have done to stop this and how would I know in advance that I needed to do it?" and you'll become rock solid.

Anyone can feel free to make a quality post in the strategy forum about it and discuss it or, if nobody is so enthusiastic, then that's perfectly fine too I'd be posting this in the Strategy section if I wanted to write a guide, but I just want to throw a replay up, so here it is in my blog.

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"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24698 Posts
August 29 2008 18:04 GMT
#2
I think it would be nice if you put some keywords like 'carrier'/'carriers' and 'blue storm' in the thread title, but I think it's very cool that you did this. If I didn't refuse to play blue storm I'd be all over this in a hurry.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
August 29 2008 18:08 GMT
#3
On August 30 2008 03:04 micronesia wrote:
I think it would be nice if you put some keywords like 'carrier'/'carriers' and 'blue storm' in the thread title, but I think it's very cool that you did this. If I didn't refuse to play blue storm I'd be all over this in a hurry.



I agree, alltough I'm a terran player.

Blue storm is my hate map...
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
August 29 2008 18:14 GMT
#4
oops yeah i always try to put care into my titles to make them appropriate, but i sped through this one t.t
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
August 29 2008 18:17 GMT
#5
Lemme know how you want it renamed!
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vAltyR
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States581 Posts
August 29 2008 18:17 GMT
#6
Nice, might have to try something like this against my terran friends.

BTW, Nony, I saw the vod of the game i'm assuming you're referring to. If you haven't seen the vod, don't read the spoiler.


+ Show Spoiler +
Congrats on the win! Glad to see the foreigners starting to take games against the pros.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
August 29 2008 18:27 GMT
#7
[Replay]Build Template - PvT Carriers @ Blue Storm

that'd probably be fine, thanks!
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
August 29 2008 18:28 GMT
#8
+ Show Spoiler +
thanks valtyr!
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
August 29 2008 18:31 GMT
#9
I lol'd

good job on the execution of the build
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SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 18:32:28
August 29 2008 18:32 GMT
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Damn Nony you probably got that guy doing something lower than dishes Y U SO MEAN
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Elric
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 18:39:18
August 29 2008 18:38 GMT
#11
I guess you have watched the commentary on your own game Nony. What do you think of Daniel Lee's comments? E.g. not being aggressive enough with the reaver, revealing carriers too early etc.

This isn't to provoke some confrontation between you and "SuperDaniel", I would just like to know your thoughts on his thoughts on your game.... : ]
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
August 29 2008 18:50 GMT
#12
Well thanks a lot. I'm going to use this next time. I just wished there was somebody doing this for Terran as well..
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Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 18:58:59
August 29 2008 18:57 GMT
#13
On August 30 2008 03:38 Elric_ wrote:
I guess you have watched the commentary on your own game Nony. What do you think of Daniel Lee's comments? E.g. not being aggressive enough with the reaver, revealing carriers too early etc.

This isn't to provoke some confrontation between you and "SuperDaniel", I would just like to know your thoughts on his thoughts on your game.... : ]


I'm sure he loves the opportunity to hear criticism from a very experienced voice. it is a huge privilege(sp?), I am infinitely envious!

2nding what Valtyr said in his spoiler. Thanks for this nony
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
August 29 2008 18:59 GMT
#14
Awsome, very nice job nony.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 19:04:35
August 29 2008 19:03 GMT
#15
+ Show Spoiler [spirit match] +
i absolutely hate losing the shuttle or the reaver. i take free shots if i can, but i never go on a suicide mission. that's part of my build. there are some builds that allow riskier shuttles. i knew he had turrets. i saw 1 tank + vults there to follow my shuttle around, which means he has at least 1 tank sieged at each base. my only option is to suicide a zeal in order to get 1 scarab off. armory was done so 2 goliaths could pop out at any time and eat up my shuttle. so really, i could trade 1 zealot and let my reaver get damaged in order to kill 1 or 2 vults, or maybe 2-3 scv's, but going for scv's means putting my shuttle behind the facs and so im gambling the entire package.

but daniel lee made a great point about starcraft players loving to do the things they're good at and ignoring all else. i've realized that already and so i purposely do strats that emphasize my weak points so that i can improve them. hell, getting 4 nexus with only 4 gateways is something i'd be scared as hell doing 6 months ago, but i've forced myself to play different styles of pvt and it has paid off.

hiding carriers away from main army... that's probably a good idea. but in a game like that, im assuming the terran knows im getting carriers. flash build w/ 3 scanners means the terran knows everything about the toss. but scanning blinking stargates doesn't reveal the exact timing of them, whereas flying them out w/ your main army as soon as they're done will let the terran know exactly what he's up against. watching the rep, it probably would have been better to fly the carriers south and then west, and show them first by attacking his natural.

my two biggest self-criticisms that could make a huge difference:
--not putting units on his high ground by 11:00. i guess his vulture presence made me feel like leaving my units on my side. but that feeling was entirely wrong. i could easily take his high ground and remain in no danger from vulture raids. the replay in this blog shows me putting my units on opponent's high ground, and it's very smart

--sucking at pouring in reinforcements after the first big clash. luckily i was really far ahead, but this could have lost me the game if it was close. i should have units attacking his corner base as soon as i break the middle. gateways should produce non-stop and new units shouldn't stop running until they're on offense.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 19:11:52
August 29 2008 19:10 GMT
#16
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I would have loved to see some storms to compliment your carriers. Overall great game, and definitely an enjoyable watch. You never gave him the chance to go on the offensive, even with your defensive early game and shuttle play. Safe and very effective.
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FreeDoM[YA]
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada855 Posts
August 29 2008 19:18 GMT
#17
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Wow Nony I'm really impressed on how you handled your game and afterwards, usually a high level gamer would just go "yeah I'm awesome" and leave it at that but to see you humble yourself and show that you're eager to improve I really like that. +1 Nony Fan
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
August 29 2008 20:41 GMT
#18
Dude you are freak. gl on next spirit match, i wish i can see you a lot more times against these PROs
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Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
August 29 2008 20:45 GMT
#19
this sounds awesome, can't wait to get home and check it out
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
August 29 2008 21:00 GMT
#20
HOT.

WILL WATCH MULTIPLE TIMES.
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