• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:02
CET 16:02
KST 00:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book15Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0218LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)24Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker10PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)13
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Terran Scanner Sweep Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) RSL Revival: Season 4 Korea Qualifier (Feb 14) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
Which units you wish saw more use in the game? StarCraft player reflex TE scores [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Diablo 2 thread Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ADHD And Gaming Addiction…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1861 users

[Replay]Build Template - Macro into Carriers @ Blue Storm

Blogs > NonY[rC]
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 29 2008 18:01 GMT
#1
Replay: http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=6232&name=Jasari vs Hoile.rep

This replay shows the template for a strong macro carrier build (as opposed to something like a 2 base carrier build) for PvT Blue Storm. It gets you 4 base econ, max supply with zealot/goon/carrier/maybe reaver, and +1 air/ground with +2 air coming all by 12:30. I use this same concept in one of my Spirit Tournament matches: http://scforall.com/sctv/sc_tv01.asp?mNum=s04&movNum=92

I believe the build is very safe, but depending on what the Terran does, there are many many ways for it to branch off that a single replay can't possibly show. All those things are for you to discover. Whenever the Terran gets something on you, watch the replay and ask "what could I have done to stop this and how would I know in advance that I needed to do it?" and you'll become rock solid.

Anyone can feel free to make a quality post in the strategy forum about it and discuss it or, if nobody is so enthusiastic, then that's perfectly fine too I'd be posting this in the Strategy section if I wanted to write a guide, but I just want to throw a replay up, so here it is in my blog.

****
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24753 Posts
August 29 2008 18:04 GMT
#2
I think it would be nice if you put some keywords like 'carrier'/'carriers' and 'blue storm' in the thread title, but I think it's very cool that you did this. If I didn't refuse to play blue storm I'd be all over this in a hurry.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
August 29 2008 18:08 GMT
#3
On August 30 2008 03:04 micronesia wrote:
I think it would be nice if you put some keywords like 'carrier'/'carriers' and 'blue storm' in the thread title, but I think it's very cool that you did this. If I didn't refuse to play blue storm I'd be all over this in a hurry.



I agree, alltough I'm a terran player.

Blue storm is my hate map...
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 29 2008 18:14 GMT
#4
oops yeah i always try to put care into my titles to make them appropriate, but i sped through this one t.t
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25993 Posts
August 29 2008 18:17 GMT
#5
Lemme know how you want it renamed!
Moderator
vAltyR
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States581 Posts
August 29 2008 18:17 GMT
#6
Nice, might have to try something like this against my terran friends.

BTW, Nony, I saw the vod of the game i'm assuming you're referring to. If you haven't seen the vod, don't read the spoiler.


+ Show Spoiler +
Congrats on the win! Glad to see the foreigners starting to take games against the pros.
내 호버크라프트는 장어로 가득 차 있어요
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 29 2008 18:27 GMT
#7
[Replay]Build Template - PvT Carriers @ Blue Storm

that'd probably be fine, thanks!
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 29 2008 18:28 GMT
#8
+ Show Spoiler +
thanks valtyr!
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
August 29 2008 18:31 GMT
#9
I lol'd

good job on the execution of the build
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 18:32:28
August 29 2008 18:32 GMT
#10
+ Show Spoiler +
Damn Nony you probably got that guy doing something lower than dishes Y U SO MEAN
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
Elric
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 18:39:18
August 29 2008 18:38 GMT
#11
I guess you have watched the commentary on your own game Nony. What do you think of Daniel Lee's comments? E.g. not being aggressive enough with the reaver, revealing carriers too early etc.

This isn't to provoke some confrontation between you and "SuperDaniel", I would just like to know your thoughts on his thoughts on your game.... : ]
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
August 29 2008 18:50 GMT
#12
Well thanks a lot. I'm going to use this next time. I just wished there was somebody doing this for Terran as well..
Adams Æbler
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 18:58:59
August 29 2008 18:57 GMT
#13
On August 30 2008 03:38 Elric_ wrote:
I guess you have watched the commentary on your own game Nony. What do you think of Daniel Lee's comments? E.g. not being aggressive enough with the reaver, revealing carriers too early etc.

This isn't to provoke some confrontation between you and "SuperDaniel", I would just like to know your thoughts on his thoughts on your game.... : ]


I'm sure he loves the opportunity to hear criticism from a very experienced voice. it is a huge privilege(sp?), I am infinitely envious!

2nding what Valtyr said in his spoiler. Thanks for this nony
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
August 29 2008 18:59 GMT
#14
Awsome, very nice job nony.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 19:04:35
August 29 2008 19:03 GMT
#15
+ Show Spoiler [spirit match] +
i absolutely hate losing the shuttle or the reaver. i take free shots if i can, but i never go on a suicide mission. that's part of my build. there are some builds that allow riskier shuttles. i knew he had turrets. i saw 1 tank + vults there to follow my shuttle around, which means he has at least 1 tank sieged at each base. my only option is to suicide a zeal in order to get 1 scarab off. armory was done so 2 goliaths could pop out at any time and eat up my shuttle. so really, i could trade 1 zealot and let my reaver get damaged in order to kill 1 or 2 vults, or maybe 2-3 scv's, but going for scv's means putting my shuttle behind the facs and so im gambling the entire package.

but daniel lee made a great point about starcraft players loving to do the things they're good at and ignoring all else. i've realized that already and so i purposely do strats that emphasize my weak points so that i can improve them. hell, getting 4 nexus with only 4 gateways is something i'd be scared as hell doing 6 months ago, but i've forced myself to play different styles of pvt and it has paid off.

hiding carriers away from main army... that's probably a good idea. but in a game like that, im assuming the terran knows im getting carriers. flash build w/ 3 scanners means the terran knows everything about the toss. but scanning blinking stargates doesn't reveal the exact timing of them, whereas flying them out w/ your main army as soon as they're done will let the terran know exactly what he's up against. watching the rep, it probably would have been better to fly the carriers south and then west, and show them first by attacking his natural.

my two biggest self-criticisms that could make a huge difference:
--not putting units on his high ground by 11:00. i guess his vulture presence made me feel like leaving my units on my side. but that feeling was entirely wrong. i could easily take his high ground and remain in no danger from vulture raids. the replay in this blog shows me putting my units on opponent's high ground, and it's very smart

--sucking at pouring in reinforcements after the first big clash. luckily i was really far ahead, but this could have lost me the game if it was close. i should have units attacking his corner base as soon as i break the middle. gateways should produce non-stop and new units shouldn't stop running until they're on offense.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 19:11:52
August 29 2008 19:10 GMT
#16
+ Show Spoiler +
I would have loved to see some storms to compliment your carriers. Overall great game, and definitely an enjoyable watch. You never gave him the chance to go on the offensive, even with your defensive early game and shuttle play. Safe and very effective.
parasite
FreeDoM[YA]
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada855 Posts
August 29 2008 19:18 GMT
#17
+ Show Spoiler +
Wow Nony I'm really impressed on how you handled your game and afterwards, usually a high level gamer would just go "yeah I'm awesome" and leave it at that but to see you humble yourself and show that you're eager to improve I really like that. +1 Nony Fan
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
August 29 2008 20:41 GMT
#18
Dude you are freak. gl on next spirit match, i wish i can see you a lot more times against these PROs
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
August 29 2008 20:45 GMT
#19
this sounds awesome, can't wait to get home and check it out
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
August 29 2008 21:00 GMT
#20
HOT.

WILL WATCH MULTIPLE TIMES.
^-^
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
12:00
Bonus Cup #3
uThermal468
Liquipedia
LiuLi Cup
11:00
2025 Grand Finals Playoffs
ByuN vs SerralLIVE!
RotterdaM2030
ComeBackTV 1208
PiGStarcraft693
IndyStarCraft 416
BRAT_OK 213
Rex188
3DClanTV 91
IntoTheiNu 22
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 2030
PiGStarcraft693
uThermal 468
IndyStarCraft 439
BRAT_OK 213
Rex 176
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 42572
Flash 2154
Jaedong 1853
Hyuk 1172
firebathero 1061
Soma 535
Stork 402
Light 349
Snow 309
Soulkey 199
[ Show more ]
Rush 141
Last 109
Bonyth 83
Hm[arnc] 68
Movie 68
Pusan 64
Leta 53
Aegong 48
soO 44
ToSsGirL 31
sorry 30
Free 30
HiyA 19
JulyZerg 19
910 18
IntoTheRainbow 18
Rock 15
Terrorterran 15
Shine 13
yabsab 12
ivOry 11
Shinee 11
Dota 2
Gorgc5416
singsing3007
XcaliburYe172
febbydoto15
Counter-Strike
fl0m3308
shoxiejesuss2091
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King64
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor452
Liquid`Hasu10
Other Games
B2W.Neo959
DeMusliM480
crisheroes423
byalli233
Sick232
Hui .122
ArmadaUGS102
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL25062
Other Games
EGCTV143
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH118
• Adnapsc2 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix5
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos3187
Upcoming Events
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
1h 53m
RSL Revival
2h 58m
AI Arena Tournament
4h 58m
Replay Cast
8h 58m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 58m
LiuLi Cup
19h 58m
Ladder Legends
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
Wardi Open
1d 20h
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.