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Ok, so I was just recently playing, and some stuff just annoys the shit out of me. I just need to get it out.
1st thing
I make a game that says D+ 1v1, and ppl above my level and lower join, why?? a C- joins, and they realize im not C- they leave. Its so often, ppl join and leave so freakin fast. cant they make up their mind BEFORE they join?? Cant ppl fucking read??
2nd thing
So I dont give a fuck about stats, so I mass play, try out all kind of crazy stuff, do it again, even if I fail many times. Tho I'm not good, I would say I'm still better than my stats says. The thing that annoys me, is ppl that look at my stats in the channel. they have 10-0 in stats, and ask me for a game just cuz I'm I have horrible stats. Thats just retared. the thing is, its not sometimes? its 90% of the times. Stats loosers like that should be banned forever.
3rd thing (ingame stuff TvZ)
I go 1rax into CC and hurray, every time I get mass linged. I know im bad, and its hard to go 1rax CC, but still, sometimes ppl are lame, I defend first attack, and they come again with mass lings. Retarded all inn tacts.
4th thing (ingame stuff TvP)
Even that stupid 1 zealot at start that toss sends its just retarded. Or when they take my gas, WTF am I gonna do??? If I go fast CC or even mass rines i dont have a chance. If I delay it and put scvs on it and kill it fast once rines come out, I'm suddently massivly behind. I know the deal, practice practice practice. And I'm horrible somtimes, my multitasking just wins the newb-polls.
5th thing (ingame stuff TvP)
Arbiters, wtf is that vs Terran? how am I gonna deal with that on my level. It feels like its so imba newb tool, to counter it I have to scan scan scan, my vessel gets killed in 2 seconds, then im out of scans, toss just moves around with his army. It seems so easy mode vs Terran at my level, makes me wanna change race. But seriously, Arbiters + Army control and then recall, freeze shit. Not hard at all right?? When Terran has to like move around and shit, get reinforcments, plant mines, get vessels, scan scan, focus fire with gols on arbiters, scan scan. Try to EMP everywhere, while building shit loads of turrents to defend drop. fuck that, makes me wanna quit. 10% of my games vs arbiter tosses I manage to win, and those are vs looser tosses that cant control their armys. I thought that my TvP was my best MU (cuz I used to play alot vs my brother, like TvP all day) and now i feel like its my worst just because of this.
there is propably more, much more. but this is all I can think of for now. Im pissed and annoyed (and having a bad day lol) gg
  
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In iccup TvP i always scout early for spotting early zealots or proxy gates.
The other thing you can do is build your crap in a way to protect scv's, zealots are bigger than marines so they can pass trough if you build that way.
For example in Blue storm when I see a proxy gate, immediately i make a proxy fact. Just try to stay alive long enough to build some vultures and attack his main that is going to be unprotected.
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United States24701 Posts
On August 26 2008 03:35 ThePhan2m wrote:
Ok, so I was just recently playing, and some stuff just annoys the shit out of me. I just need to get it out.
1st thing
I make a game that says D+ 1v1, and ppl above my level and lower join, why?? a C- joins, and they realize im not C- they leave. Its so often, ppl join and leave so freakin fast. cant they make up their mind BEFORE they join?? Cant ppl fucking read??
Yeah it's annoying how stupid some people act like that... but just stick to your guns and don't let it bother you.
2nd thing
So I dont give a fuck about stats, so I mass play, try out all kind of crazy stuff, do it again, even if I fail many times. Tho I'm not good, I would say I'm still better than my stats says. The thing that annoys me, is ppl that look at my stats in the channel. they have 10-0 in stats, and ask me for a game just cuz I'm I have horrible stats. Thats just retared. the thing is, its not sometimes? its 90% of the times. Stats loosers like that should be banned forever.
Come up with some witty retorts instead of just saying 'no'?
3rd thing (ingame stuff TvZ)
I go 1rax into CC and hurray, every time I get mass linged. I know im bad, and its hard to go 1rax CC, but still, sometimes ppl are lame, I defend first attack, and they come again with mass lings. Retarded all inn tacts.
If you can't hold off mass lings, they have every right to use them vs 1 rax cc. If you don't want that to happen you can
A) Go 2 rax before cc
B) Practice/Learn to do it better
Not really fair for you to complain about this.
4th thing (ingame stuff TvP)
Even that stupid 1 zealot at start that toss sends its just retarded. Or when they take my gas, WTF am I gonna do??? If I go fast CC or even mass rines i dont have a chance. If I delay it and put scvs on it and kill it fast once rines come out, I'm suddently massivly behind. I know the deal, practice practice practice. And I'm horrible somtimes, my multitasking just wins the newb-polls.
The zealot is retarded? The protoss user is? What's your point? If it's effective, he's going to do it. Good terrans usually hold it off pretty easily, so play maps where you can wall, or practice/learn this.
If this seems imbalanced, try playing pvt a bit and watch reps of how good terrans deal with it, then try to copy it. Or get good players to show you examples from replays/vods etc.
5th thing (ingame stuff TvP)
Arbiters, wtf is that vs Terran? how am I gonna deal with that on my level. It feels like its so imba newb tool, to counter it I have to scan scan scan, my vessel gets killed in 2 seconds, then im out of scans, toss just moves around with his army. It seems so easy mode vs Terran at my level, makes me wanna change race. But seriously, Arbiters + Army control and then recall, freeze shit. Not hard at all right?? When Terran has to like move around and shit, get reinforcments, plant mines, get vessels, scan scan, focus fire with gols on arbiters, scan scan. Try to EMP everywhere, while building shit loads of turrents to defend drop. fuck that, makes me wanna quit. 10% of my games vs arbiter tosses I manage to win, and those are vs looser tosses that cant control their armys. I thought that my TvP was my best MU (cuz I used to play alot vs my brother, like TvP all day) and now i feel like its my worst just because of this.
The grass is always greener lol. Pvt can be just as frustrating. Well, I agree at lower levels protoss armies are more effective when both players play evenly... but tvp is not supposed to be that easy. You can either learn to deal with it, or not play tvp. There's not a huge imbalance, so there's no point in lamenting.
there is propably more, much more. but this is all I can think of for now. Im pissed and annoyed (and having a bad day lol) gg
Getting better at this game is frustrating. No doubt about it.
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Almost every Terran goes 1 rax FE which is why you're going to get harassed by lings. Unless it's an all in, it's pretty manageable to hold off with some good micro.
I struggle with early harass in TvP, but it's just a matter of working on your mechanics until holding it off isn't as rough. I know I always cringe when the Toss scouts the right way. If you see his probe and you're worried about a gas steal, build a refinery sooner. It might suck doing this if you're weak against early harass right now, but in my experience switching to biomech is really weak because you lose time on your second rax and a lot of early marines that help defend. Someone stole my gas and manner pyloned me and he was inside my base and destroying me despite me having tanks and a good number of marines. -.-
TvP lategame isn't that bad (I think it favors Terran a little in the long run, because mines can become super effective with some effort, you just have to be vigilant about killing arbiters and obs). Your problem probably has more to do with falling behind economically and then getting abused by lategame Protoss antics before you're ready. Having goliathes and enough expansions to support scanning more or less constantly eases the pain a lot. If you can stop their first wave of arbiters from doing anything, then they are going to be hurting.
Of course, I've never really gotten into lategame TvP where my opponent goes arbiters on Iccup, so meh. I keep getting abused in the early game, and then they go carriers ;.; (although I'd rather deal with carriers when I'm waaaay behind than arbiters).
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About the 1 rax -> CC
And that's why, my friend, you need to make your gas right after your CC so that you can have firebats early on like progamers and average players do.
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On August 26 2008 04:49 EsX_Raptor wrote:
About the 1 rax -> CC
And that's why, my friend, you need to make your gas right after your CC so that you can have firebats early on like progamers and average players do.
I've seen pros go, baracks first after the CC, to get more rines faster. or medics first, to heal the rines you have. firebats are useless if you cant control them, they get surounded by lings and die. hard to micro to get the maximum use. but ill give it a try couple of more times
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On August 26 2008 05:03 ThePhan2m wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2008 04:49 EsX_Raptor wrote:
About the 1 rax -> CC
And that's why, my friend, you need to make your gas right after your CC so that you can have firebats early on like progamers and average players do. I've seen pros go, baracks first after the CC, to get more rines faster. or medics first, to heal the rines you have. firebats are useless if you cant control them, they get surounded by lings and die. hard to micro to get the maximum use. but ill give it a try couple of more times
Just put 1 on your ramp backed up by marines and medics. By the time you push down your ramp and lift your cc and move it down there you will have enough mnm that he can't just overwhelm you with lings if you stand near your ramp and cc. If you're that scared make another firebat or two and build a bunker. Going 1 rax cc is not hard to protect ?_?. CC, supply, refine, soon as supply is done make acad.
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You complain about tvp? hah. Try playing pvt. Its a nightmare for me. How the fuck am I suppose to kill a god damn terran. 70 splash damage tanks. 30 damage vultures that have 3 mines doing 125 damage and super fast speed for 75 bucks. imbalance!
Arbiters are one of the hardest units in the game to control. Even pro gamers lose arbiters constantly. they are impossible to keep alive.
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OK about 1 and 2, but why bitch about 3-5? That's your own faults, not other people. All-ins aren't retarded. They're viable because they work enough to make it worth it.
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United States24701 Posts
On August 26 2008 05:18 Mastermind wrote:
You complain about tvp? hah. Try playing pvt. Its a nightmare for me. How the fuck am I suppose to kill a god damn terran. 70 splash damage tanks. 30 damage vultures that have 3 mines doing 125 damage and super fast speed for 75 bucks. imbalance!
Arbiters are one of the hardest units in the game to control. Even pro gamers lose arbiters constantly. they are impossible to keep alive.
If vults had 30 damage that would be quite imbalanced.
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1) Joining pub game -> 1min delay before game starts cause hes checking ur stats from site. GAY
2) "race ? RACE ?! RAAAACEEEE ?!?!?!?!?" Then picking himself @ countdown... SUPER-GAY
3) Joining game which is higher then ur rank... Omfg how hard its to read.... TOOLS
Also iccup has too many all-in players (not complaining its imba, but I would like to play also games longer then 10mins etc).
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Calgary25981 Posts
Play safe and scout well.
StarCraft is what it is, it's not you're set of rules where arbitrary things are "cheap". If you notice the trend is aggressive play on ICC, shift your builds accordingly.
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On August 26 2008 03:35 ThePhan2m wrote:
2nd thing
So I dont give a fuck about stats, so I mass play, try out all kind of crazy stuff, do it again, even if I fail many times. Tho I'm not good, I would say I'm still better than my stats says. The thing that annoys me, is ppl that look at my stats in the channel. they have 10-0 in stats, and ask me for a game just cuz I'm I have horrible stats. Thats just retared. the thing is, its not sometimes? its 90% of the times. Stats loosers like that should be banned forever.
how exactly do you know he's just asking you for a game? can you see other people's whispers? he's probably just going down the list with /w ctrl n right click paste. At least that's what I do.
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On August 26 2008 05:31 Chill wrote:
Play safe and scout well.
StarCraft is what it is, it's not you're set of rules where arbitrary things are "cheap". If you notice the trend is aggressive play on ICC, shift your builds accordingly.
Dunno for who this post was refered to, but I will answer it anyways..
My game PvZ -> with FE build -> Z goes 3 hatch hydra fast push -> He breaks my canons and wins or EPIC FAIL and I steam roll over him few mins later...
I am type of guy who likes long games etc etc and those kinda games r not often got from all-in builds..
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TvZ I would almost always go 2 rax or more before expo also go safe i've played T and Z in ICCUP and until you get C range or higher almost all freaking zergs like 4 5 pool or 9 pool ya TvZ most annoying shit ever. Just change to an older build and mass up rines i usually did 4 rax + before expo but by then at D range the game would be at an end move out with few firebats medics and rines and i would usually be able to break the zerg.
Just play safe until you get out of C range cause too many times people don't play "standard" they usually rush or mass something early
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1. not ur fault i understand
2. not something u should bitch about. why dont u just play them?
3. try going 2rax instead of expoing and bitching about mass lings. all-in strats are gay but arent against the law and its really your fault for giving them the opportunity to do such a thing. try scouting and if u see mass lings, bunker up and get bats.
4. a little bit of micro takes out the zealot. he has to send his probe to your base and if u see a probe early, then u know hes gonna try to steal your gas and you simply take it before he does. easier said than done but if u have to cancel an scv to do it, cancel the scv. refinery only costs 100 minerals and he lost alot of mining time for sending the probe early so a late scv wont cost you that much, more will an early refinery.
5. i agree, arbiters are really hard to beat but if u turret alot, keep scouting and have vessels ready, you should be fine. just watch flash play. he doesnt win all the time but he plays very well. and in general there is a slight protoss advantage over terran so you shouldn't worry too much
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On August 26 2008 03:35 ThePhan2m wrote:
Ok, so I was just recently playing, and some stuff just annoys the shit out of me. I just need to get it out.
1st thing
I make a game that says D+ 1v1, and ppl above my level and lower join, why?? a C- joins, and they realize im not C- they leave. Its so often, ppl join and leave so freakin fast. cant they make up their mind BEFORE they join?? Cant ppl fucking read??
2nd thing
So I dont give a fuck about stats, so I mass play, try out all kind of crazy stuff, do it again, even if I fail many times. Tho I'm not good, I would say I'm still better than my stats says. The thing that annoys me, is ppl that look at my stats in the channel. they have 10-0 in stats, and ask me for a game just cuz I'm I have horrible stats. Thats just retared. the thing is, its not sometimes? its 90% of the times. Stats loosers like that should be banned forever.
3rd thing (ingame stuff TvZ)
I go 1rax into CC and hurray, every time I get mass linged. I know im bad, and its hard to go 1rax CC, but still, sometimes ppl are lame, I defend first attack, and they come again with mass lings. Retarded all inn tacts.
4th thing (ingame stuff TvP)
Even that stupid 1 zealot at start that toss sends its just retarded. Or when they take my gas, WTF am I gonna do??? If I go fast CC or even mass rines i dont have a chance. If I delay it and put scvs on it and kill it fast once rines come out, I'm suddently massivly behind. I know the deal, practice practice practice. And I'm horrible somtimes, my multitasking just wins the newb-polls.
5th thing (ingame stuff TvP)
Arbiters, wtf is that vs Terran? how am I gonna deal with that on my level. It feels like its so imba newb tool, to counter it I have to scan scan scan, my vessel gets killed in 2 seconds, then im out of scans, toss just moves around with his army. It seems so easy mode vs Terran at my level, makes me wanna change race. But seriously, Arbiters + Army control and then recall, freeze shit. Not hard at all right?? When Terran has to like move around and shit, get reinforcments, plant mines, get vessels, scan scan, focus fire with gols on arbiters, scan scan. Try to EMP everywhere, while building shit loads of turrents to defend drop. fuck that, makes me wanna quit. 10% of my games vs arbiter tosses I manage to win, and those are vs looser tosses that cant control their armys. I thought that my TvP was my best MU (cuz I used to play alot vs my brother, like TvP all day) and now i feel like its my worst just because of this.
there is propably more, much more. but this is all I can think of for now. Im pissed and annoyed (and having a bad day lol) gg
dude...you are just really bad...
if the toss freaking takes you gas, then go and scv rush.
when you see the toss probe come in, if you are paranoid, then fucking make a refinery before the probe makes an assimilator and stop production right after and continue later... you lack basic understanding of the game. starcraft requires a lot of vsion and you should be able to scout out an all-in before its already ripping you apart. if mass lings lost to terran 1 rax cc effortlessly, who the fuck would do it. terran would be the next "i dont need to scout" race and i would be fucking stupid. keep your scout alive until you can see what the hell he is going. understand the timings of zerg and toss.
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On August 26 2008 06:56 ramen247 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2008 03:35 ThePhan2m wrote:
Ok, so I was just recently playing, and some stuff just annoys the shit out of me. I just need to get it out.
1st thing
I make a game that says D+ 1v1, and ppl above my level and lower join, why?? a C- joins, and they realize im not C- they leave. Its so often, ppl join and leave so freakin fast. cant they make up their mind BEFORE they join?? Cant ppl fucking read??
2nd thing
So I dont give a fuck about stats, so I mass play, try out all kind of crazy stuff, do it again, even if I fail many times. Tho I'm not good, I would say I'm still better than my stats says. The thing that annoys me, is ppl that look at my stats in the channel. they have 10-0 in stats, and ask me for a game just cuz I'm I have horrible stats. Thats just retared. the thing is, its not sometimes? its 90% of the times. Stats loosers like that should be banned forever.
3rd thing (ingame stuff TvZ)
I go 1rax into CC and hurray, every time I get mass linged. I know im bad, and its hard to go 1rax CC, but still, sometimes ppl are lame, I defend first attack, and they come again with mass lings. Retarded all inn tacts.
4th thing (ingame stuff TvP)
Even that stupid 1 zealot at start that toss sends its just retarded. Or when they take my gas, WTF am I gonna do??? If I go fast CC or even mass rines i dont have a chance. If I delay it and put scvs on it and kill it fast once rines come out, I'm suddently massivly behind. I know the deal, practice practice practice. And I'm horrible somtimes, my multitasking just wins the newb-polls.
5th thing (ingame stuff TvP)
Arbiters, wtf is that vs Terran? how am I gonna deal with that on my level. It feels like its so imba newb tool, to counter it I have to scan scan scan, my vessel gets killed in 2 seconds, then im out of scans, toss just moves around with his army. It seems so easy mode vs Terran at my level, makes me wanna change race. But seriously, Arbiters + Army control and then recall, freeze shit. Not hard at all right?? When Terran has to like move around and shit, get reinforcments, plant mines, get vessels, scan scan, focus fire with gols on arbiters, scan scan. Try to EMP everywhere, while building shit loads of turrents to defend drop. fuck that, makes me wanna quit. 10% of my games vs arbiter tosses I manage to win, and those are vs looser tosses that cant control their armys. I thought that my TvP was my best MU (cuz I used to play alot vs my brother, like TvP all day) and now i feel like its my worst just because of this.
there is propably more, much more. but this is all I can think of for now. Im pissed and annoyed (and having a bad day lol) gg dude...you are just really bad... if the toss freaking takes you gas, then go and scv rush. when you see the toss probe come in, if you are paranoid, then fucking make a refinery before the probe makes an assimilator and stop production right after and continue later... you lack basic understanding of the game. starcraft requires a lot of vsion and you should be able to scout out an all-in before its already ripping you apart. if mass lings lost to terran 1 rax cc effortlessly, who the fuck would do it. terran would be the next "i dont need to scout" race and i would be fucking stupid. keep your scout alive until you can see what the hell he is going. understand the timings of zerg and toss.
Straight SCV rush is about the worst thing you can do in the situation..If you get stole i usually just camp get a ctrl group and a half of mnm then all in against them since most will expand knowing they're safe and have less units
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On August 26 2008 03:35 ThePhan2m wrote:
3rd thing (ingame stuff TvZ)
I go 1rax into CC and hurray, every time I get mass linged. I know im bad, and its hard to go 1rax CC, but still, sometimes ppl are lame, I defend first attack, and they come again with mass lings. Retarded all inn tacts.
Lol, seriously I feel your pain. I'm just starting to get over it and stop the all ins, but I feel like alot of the time it's just impossible to scout out correctly if they kill your initial SCV. Put up your extra 2 (or 3) Rax's down and get 2 firebats out asap and you'll be fine.
Even better, download the Flash/Savior Bluestorm replay and copy his build and timings.
Or bunker rush and sunken bust them every other game for revenge 
On August 26 2008 03:35 ThePhan2m wrote:
4th thing (ingame stuff TvP)
Even that stupid 1 zealot at start that toss sends its just retarded. Or when they take my gas, WTF am I gonna do??? If I go fast CC or even mass rines i dont have a chance. If I delay it and put scvs on it and kill it fast once rines come out, I'm suddently massivly behind. I know the deal, practice practice practice. And I'm horrible somtimes, my multitasking just wins the newb-polls.
Building placement for the first Zealot man! Buliding placement makes the early zealot so easy to kill (assuming latency is good)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=42920
Gas steals aren't so bad. Most of the time you'll have gas before they get there, and if not, you can always build an academy (like Mind does when he gets gassed) and get stim + medics for a balancing counterattack that allows you to expand and play a normal Mech TvP game.
On August 26 2008 03:35 ThePhan2m wrote:
5th thing (ingame stuff TvP)
Arbiters, wtf is that vs Terran? how am I gonna deal with that on my level. It feels like its so imba newb tool, to counter it I have to scan scan scan, my vessel gets killed in 2 seconds, then im out of scans, toss just moves around with his army. It seems so easy mode vs Terran at my level, makes me wanna change race. But seriously, Arbiters + Army control and then recall, freeze shit. Not hard at all right?? When Terran has to like move around and shit, get reinforcments, plant mines, get vessels, scan scan, focus fire with gols on arbiters, scan scan. Try to EMP everywhere, while building shit loads of turrents to defend drop. fuck that, makes me wanna quit. 10% of my games vs arbiter tosses I manage to win, and those are vs looser tosses that cant control their armys. I thought that my TvP was my best MU (cuz I used to play alot vs my brother, like TvP all day) and now i feel like its my worst just because of this.
there is propably more, much more. but this is all I can think of for now. Im pissed and annoyed (and having a bad day lol) gg
I don't mind Arbiters too much. Just practice practice practice. Terran is the hardest race to control after all 
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