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Switching from Protoss to Zerg: Day Four

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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-15 21:26:58
June 15 2008 21:25 GMT
#1
Protoss to Zerg: Day Four

Current iCCup stats: 12-16-0

Not too good, not too bad. I definately thought I'd be doing better, but I learned a lot of things today and I guess that's what counts. What I did encounter today is what I call a lesson game. It's a game where someone happens and I usually notice, "Ohhhh, I am supposed to do _______ instead of ______" and it like totally alters the way I play.

That is the recap I bring to you today.

Recap game:

It's a ZvP and I decide to open with the best build ever: 9 pool speedlings. Oh yeah, the gayness.

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When I played P, after scouting this I would usually mutter, 'fuck', because I hated it.

One of the things I like so far is I make six lings, than I kill the probe to make him think I may perhaps go for the rush and I send out a squadron of two zerglings to kill scout probes and I leave the other four at my main to stop ninja-esque probes that may already be on the way, but going another route.

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Spartan line 2.0.

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A successful probe kill. No scouting for you, haha!

However...

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Fuck. My Spartan lines are imcompetent, much like Atrioc.

I make a rather large error here and put my third hatchery at the wrong spot. It's supposed to go to my second natural, not in my main.

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Whoops!

Now is a good time explain the build I was trying to do. It was a simple 9pool speedling into three bases and than teching lurkers. This is where I start to learn a lesson...

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I have my lurkers burrowed and his army is out and I know his has no detection. I am happy.

Unfortunately...

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He fucking dodges me. I am confused. I am sad.

As you can see from the screenshot below, I am the teal army, he is the blue. His army is closer to my base than my own. This is not the ideal situation.

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I call this screenshot, "Non I'deal". It means not ideal. I think it's French.

The next screenshots are all taken in a matter of few seconds. All this is simultaneous.

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He slightly outnumbers me.

After I shed a tear, I went back to watch the xiaozi replay and I see that what he actually does is only sends a couple lurkers to contain and do damage to the gateway/forge if they are in front, and leaves the rest of the lurkers at home. Next time I won't make this mistake, so nameless Protoss... I thank you. Your still an ass for beating me senseless, but I thank you for it.

General matchup feeling:

ZvP: I feel better about this now, I am starting to feel like I am playing actual ZvP's. I am losing, but it's getting better.

ZvT: I haven't looked at this matchup much, whenever I play, I kind of just do my own thing and it either works or it doesn't. I have to watch some reps first and write down some builds. I am not a big fan of muta really. Maybe I'l be one of those dudes who does lurker builds instead? Is that even viable? idk.

ZvZ: I tried to copy xiaozi in the way he plays. He often makes an early expansion and gets late speed + a lot of zerglings. What this results in is usually a later spire. I tried it once on Python and I lost so badly that I wasn't even mad, just surprised as hell. I need to do some work on this. Anyone have some advice for ZvZ builds?

General mood: Starting to see some progress. Feeling pretty good.



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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
June 15 2008 21:28 GMT
#2
Don't copy Xiaozi. His builds make no sense but he makes them work because he's incredible. He'll do like 9 Pool speed, it gets blocked, then he just makes 3 hatch Zerglings and somehow breaks through Zealots and Cannons behind a Forge/Gateway wall. It doesn't make sense.
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GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-15 21:32:06
June 15 2008 21:31 GMT
#3
I love the blog mate, lots of good read!

Been thinking about getting into zerg myself one of these days, just need to find the time..
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1391 Posts
June 15 2008 21:32 GMT
#4
eheh fun screenshots : )
mada mada dane
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
June 15 2008 21:37 GMT
#5
haha your screenshots are funny
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-15 21:43:48
June 15 2008 21:43 GMT
#6
lol good luck on your endeavors;
zerg is very fun to use so it'll pay off :o
+ Show Spoiler +
hahahaha i just started laughing so fucking hard at my own comment
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
June 15 2008 22:04 GMT
#7
Thanks everyone ^^.

@Chill, who would be a good gamer to replicate?
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
June 15 2008 22:16 GMT
#8
On June 16 2008 06:28 Chill wrote:
Don't copy Xiaozi. His builds make no sense but he makes them work because he's incredible. He'll do like 9 Pool speed, it gets blocked, then he just makes 3 hatch Zerglings and somehow breaks through Zealots and Cannons behind a Forge/Gateway wall. It doesn't make sense.


Believe in yourself!!!!


@ OP, make it your goal to be as deadly with lings as he is then . Once your lings become more dangerous your ling builds will then be deadlier!
Nak Allstar.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
June 15 2008 22:20 GMT
#9
lol salv, make it longer next time. rofl @ the screens.
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
June 15 2008 22:24 GMT
#10
haha very funny writing will read again
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
June 15 2008 22:32 GMT
#11
Thanks for the tip Roman.

Tomorrows will be much longer Raithed because it will include games from now until the afternoon.

Thanks besiger New one everyday


Also, if anyone knows of a good Zerg player who plays rather safe, let me know! I take Chill at his word when he says XiaoZi isn't the best person to replicate.
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
June 15 2008 22:51 GMT
#12
Very nice read once again, keep it up.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
June 15 2008 23:39 GMT
#13
Thanks a lot. Will do. Check back tomorrow around this time.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 15 2008 23:58 GMT
#14
On June 16 2008 07:32 Salv wrote:
Thanks for the tip Roman.

Tomorrows will be much longer Raithed because it will include games from now until the afternoon.

Thanks besiger New one everyday


Also, if anyone knows of a good Zerg player who plays rather safe, let me know! I take Chill at his word when he says XiaoZi isn't the best person to replicate.


When players like ZerG~LegenD, w3jjj, Ahzzz post replays, download them asap! I'd recommend Castro, HayprO, Mondragon reps for very macro based, safe play.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
JIJI
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada291 Posts
June 16 2008 00:00 GMT
#15
Dude keep this up. I haven't ICCUP'd in a week or so, but I will once exams are over. Love the reports with pictures and shit. Really entertaining. BTW, wise choice switching to Zerg =D
Believing forever in sAviOr. Jaedong complete domination. IefNaij scarab explosion. MUCH <3
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
June 16 2008 00:05 GMT
#16
ROFL SALV <3

btw, excello.oo is a great zerg, he's korean btw. I can show you a rep of him, he was gns.i-oov.
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
June 16 2008 00:17 GMT
#17
<3 Shallow. I'l download Haypro and Castro right now. I was going to do Mondi, but he doesn't ZvZ often and his ZvP basically consists of the hilariously awesome zergling micro!

Thanks JiJi , check back tomorrow.

Awwww, oov left? Too bad. Yeah, hit me up with some reps Yang.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 16 2008 00:19 GMT
#18
Good luck! I wanted to try Z but way too hard for me to keep up.

Very impressive =)
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
June 16 2008 00:23 GMT
#19
lurk builds aren't viable as much anymore because everyone has really good marine micro. T_T.
555, kthxbai
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 16 2008 00:25 GMT
#20
For straight up macro Z games, get ParanOid's reps
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