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r0ar
Australia24 Posts
athesists DONT BELIEVE ok that is what atheism is about i suppose this is more directed to the guy u quote Who made God? i dont think u will ever get an answer most christians never think about and wont go near a question like that God was always there is probably the answer u will get but of course then why bother invoking god to create things | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On October 31 2007 13:49 JesusCruxRH wrote: That's what I was saying in my OP - because we don't know, it's pointless to ask who made God. You're wrong in making the absolute statement that we will never know, however, as it assumes you are able to look into the future (and that there is an end) for you to be able to ascertain for sure. Actually he can make an absolute statement if he believes we will never figure it out. And so far that seems like a pretty safe bet. | ||
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
I think.... >.> | ||
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
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JesusCruxRH
New Zealand159 Posts
On November 01 2007 06:18 TesisMech wrote: The book its called angels and demons, yea and the scientists make matter from nothing , has to do with antimatter or something Actually I just had a look on the internet... I'm pretty sure it's Deception Point, is that the one where some woman's father was looking at it but then he was murdered, despite the fact that he was a Christian just trying to make God more understandable? You might be right I can't remember, been a while since I read his books (not that I'll probably read them again, but yeah), but wasn't Angels and Demons about killing the four different prominent religious people or something? | ||
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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bine
United States2352 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32075 Posts
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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lengzai
Vietnam54 Posts
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lugggy
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suresh0t
United States295 Posts
A) This supernatural being that gave us a book to tell us how to live our life, who created the universe and everything in it, who sits up in "heaven" watching everyone at the same time, and answering our prayers or B) A chubby old man who delivers presents to all the kids in the world in one night with super reindeer and little elves. He also really likes cookies and milk. I'd go with the fat man who brings presents...call me a realist. | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
HOW TO OWN GOD. 1.bible has contradictions 2. darwin explains how life evolved 3.the big bang explains how the universe came to be 4. any atheist can be as good as a believer 5. a believer can do anything a non-believer can. 6. people kill in the name of god. I dont remember anyone killing in the name of atheism 7. Theology isn't even a subject ( let's all have a branch of philosophy for the flying spaghetti monster) 8. You can't disprove the FSM 9. Epicurus problems with evil goes as follow 1. God exists. (premise) 2. God is omnipotent and omniscient. (premise — or true by definition of the word "God") 3. God is all-benevolent. (premise — or true by definition) 4. All-benevolent beings are opposed to all evil. (premise — or true by definition) 5. All-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will do so immediately when they become aware of it. (premise) 6. God is opposed to all evil. (conclusion from 3 and 4) 7. God can eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 2) 1. Whatever the end result of suffering is, God can bring it about by ways that do not include suffering. (conclusion from 2) 2. God has no reason not to eliminate evil. (conclusion from 7.1) 3. God has no reason not to act immediately. (conclusion from 5) 8. God will eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 6, 7.2 and 7.3) 9. Evil exists, has existed, and probably will always exist. (premise) 10. Items 8 and 9 are contradictory; therefore, one or more of the premises is false: either God does not exist, evil does not exist, or God is not simultaneously omnipotent, omniscient, and all-benevolent (i.e. God is omnipotent and omniscient but not all-benevolent, omnipotent and all-benevolent but not omniscient, or omniscient and all-benevolent but not omnipotent). 10. prayer doesn't work 11. there are as many stories of creation as there are gods. what makes Jehova's story any better? | ||
micronesia
United States24701 Posts
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
But this theory offers no explanations to why or how the how the universe was created. But it poses the new questions which are at least as complicated as the original ones: how and why was god created/came into existance, or did he even exist forever? All in all the creation theory explains the universe at maximum as good as scientific therories. In situations where two theories explain a fact equally well, we should, according to occhams razor choose the "simpler" one. Simple in this case means as few and small assumptions/axioms/postulats as possible. For the creation theory very many and large assumtions have to be made: 1. Gods existance/creation 2. Why he created the the world 3. Why he created the world like it is. This one has very many parameters which is one of the things which is something we want to avoid. 4. Why he created the world so it seems to be not created by a god. On the other hand current scientific theories must assume the following: 1. The laws of nature. So scientists strieve to reduce their count and complexity. Evenso the resulting calculations might be difficult, the fundamental should be as simple as possible. 2. The natural constants. These are quite many for the current "standardmodel", but scientists are confident they can greatly reduce them with the next great theory such as a ToE or GUT. 3. The existence of a very simple, highly dense "object" which is the beginning of the universe. As the beginning is believed to have (close to) zero entropy (almost) no information is needed to describe this state, which makes this a small assumtion. Comparing these two competing theories, the scientific approach is simply more elegant as it needs less information to describe the world. But of cause this does not rule out a creator, but I personally believe this is improbable. I only discuss a creator in general here, not the existance of the christian got, which is quite a different matter. | ||
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