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ACE matches were first implemented in SKY 2005 ProLeague Round 1. This was a huge shift in the inter-team dynamic of the ProLeague. It allowed one player to represent his team in a one-versus-one matches more than once in a single series, which meant that a team could theoretically rely on only two players to secure the necessary three games to win the best-of-five series between two opposing teams.
ACE matches allowed teams to be more reliant on a superstar player to carry them in the one-versus-one matches, and brought about individualistic elements to the ProLeague scene, and the tradition continued until 2011, when SK Planet ProLeague S1 left out ACE matches altogether except for the play-off stages.
ACE matches represented ProLeague matches with the highest possible stakes, with single game that decided the fate of the series, after two opposing teams chose their representative of choice on that specific day. KeSPA allocated more 50% more points that went towards the KeSPA ranking for ACE matches than regular ProLeague matches, and numerous players in history were able to make a name for themselves due to the greater spotlight ACE matches gathered.
This blog will first look into the top five longest losing streaks held by pillars of various teams players who couldn't live up to the expectations set by their team. I will also attempt to come up with reasons for why such extensive losing streaks were created. In case of a tie, I will take into consideration the performance of the opposing for that particular season of the ProLeague.
Obviously losing versus middle of the road players will be punished with a higher ranking in case of a tie. Opponents who were top five ProLeague performers for that particular season will be noted and any defeats at the hands of these players will be given zero shame points. Opponents who were top ten ProLeague performers for that particular season will also be noted, and defeats at the hands of these players will be given a single shame point. Any ACE match defeats versus non-top ten ProLeague performers will be given two shame points.
Since there is a light to every shadow, I will also list the top five longest winning streaks held by various players in history, and the list of foes these players managed to overcome to mark their name in history. Finding a point of reference for this particular trivia was more difficult than I expected, so I had to manually go through the ProLeague records of various players to create the list. Since I could be missing out on some players, the list may not be entirely accurate, I'll edit things as I go along.
In case of a tie I will also look into the match history of the players involved, and reward more points if they defeated a player who was a high performer in that particular season of the ProLeague. Victories versus a top five ProLeague performer will be rewarded with two brag points, victories versus a top ten ProLeague performer will be rewarded with a single brag point. Any victories versus a non-top ten ProLeague performer will be given zero brag points.
Without further ado, I'll start with the lists:
Top five longest ACE match losing streaks in history
1. Flash: Seven consecutive ACE match defeats
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ACE match defeat to SnOw (2)
ACE match defeat to HiyA (1)
ACE match defeat to RuBy (2)
ACE match defeat to BaBy (2)
ACE match defeat to sKyHigh (2)
ACE match defeat to Really (1)
ACE match defeat to BeSt (2)
Total number of shame points: 12
Flash had an uncharacteristically long ACE match losing streak in the Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague season, struggling against various terran players, most of whom he had an edge over for most of his career.
Due to the predictability of KT Rolster's ACE match player pool, various specialists versus the terran race such as SnOw, sKyHigh, and BeSt were able showcase their talents despite having weaknesses in the other match-ups that could have been exposed had KT Rolster been more flexible with their ACE match player pool.
2. RorO: Seven consecutive ACE match defeats
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ACE match defeat to Action (2)
ACE match defeat to Jaedong (0)
ACE match defeat to Bisu (2)
ACE match defeat to Kal (1)
ACE match defeat to Jaedong (0)
ACE match defeat to JangBi (2)
ACE match defeat to Bisu (2)
Total number of shame points: 9
RorO was the best performing member of WeMade Fox, who had their best ever finish in the Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague after re-branding themselves in 2007. However, his journey as the zerg ace of his team wasn't without its difficulties, being forced to face off against some of the scariest opponents to face as a zerg player multiple times throughout the season. RorO had the misfortune of crossing paths with Jaedong, and Bisu in four ACE matches, all of which ended in defeat for the WeMade Fox ace.
3. Anytime: Five consecutive ACE match defeats
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ACE match defeat to Really (2)
ACE match defeat to ZerO (2)
ACE match defeat to July (2)
ACE match defeat to free (1)
ACE match defeat to Great (2)
Total number of shame points: 9
Anytime by 2009 was clearly a player who had once seen better days as a past OGN StarLeague champion, and ProLeague MVP. Although Anytime was the clear ace of Air Force ACE at the time, the team was plagued with multiple issues including overall roster strength and lackluster practice environment compared to the other teams.
Anytime tried his best to not disappoint the fans of Air Force ACE with his multiple ACE match appearances, but it wasn't enough to stop his numerous defeats whilst wearing the Air Force ACE uniform.
4. NaDa: Five consecutive ACE match defeats
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ACE match defeat to ChoJJa (2)
ACE match defeat to Anytime (0)
ACE match defeat to Sheis (2)
ACE match defeat to maGma (2)
ACE match defeat to Flash (2)
Total number of shame points: 8
NaDa was also another player on a downward spiral who still had to carry out his duties as the ace of his team. Pantech EX was a struggling team who relied heavily on the one-verus-one and two-versus-two talents of NaDa for years on end, and now the Brood War legend was starting to run out of steam. NaDa was slowly replaced by Mind as the terran ace of his team as the calendar year of 2007 progressed, and cost his team multiple ACE match defeats as he slowly regressed into mediocrity.
5. Sea: Five consecutive ACE match defeats
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ACE match defeat to 815 (2)
ACE match defeat to Mind (2)
ACE match defeat to Hwasin (1)
ACE match defeat to free (1)
ACE match defeat to Really (2)
Total number of shame points: 8
Sea was a player known for his fantastic ProLeague exploits and consistent individual results, but his critics often blamed Sea for being merely a proficient newb-stomper. Their argument was based on the fact that Sea had difficulties reaching the latter stages of the individual leagues despite having multiple opportunities, and tended to struggled in ACE matches.
Sea cost MBC Game HERO five consecutive series to respectable opponents, and Really wasn't that far off from being a top ten ProLeague performer in Shinhan 2008/2009 ProLeague season, I will rank Sea below NaDa despite both having the same number of shame points.
Top five longest ACE match winning streaks in history
1. PuSan: Eleven consecutive ACE match victories
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ACE match victory versus ToSky (1)
ACE match victory versus iloveoov (1)
ACE match victory versus HoOny (0)
ACE match victory versus YellOw (0)
ACE match victory versus Yooi (0)
ACE match victory versus HoOny (0)
ACE match victory versus RainBOw (0)
ACE match victory versus Shine[Name] (0)
ACE match victory versus Pure (0)
ACE match victory versus MuMyung (0)
ACE match victory versus Hwasin (0)
Total number of brag points: 2
Although he mostly goes by the name of Spirit Toss, or father of arbiters to most, PuSan once went by name of ACE match extraordinaire as christened by some people in the community for his uncanny ability to remain undefeated in ACE matches for a record breaking eleven games, lasting all the way back from 2005, to 2007. That's right. Nobody managed to take down PuSan when he was picked as the last man standing for his home team of MBC Game HERO for a period of over two years.
Although the list of his opponents aren't too spectacular by any means, his record is still an unbelievable record that will go down in history. PuSan's reliability in ACE matches was a key reason for why MBC Game HERO succeeded in eventually overthrowing the SK Telecom T1 empire back in 2006. With PuSan's decline as a player, MBC Game HERO never reached the same level of success as they did with PuSan in his prime, despite cultivating new ace worthy players such as Sea, Light, and Bisu.
2. Nal_rA: Nine consecutive ACE match victories
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ACE match victory versus GGPlay (2)
ACE match victory versus GoRush (1)
ACE match victory versus DoGGi (0)
ACE match victory versus NaDa (0)
ACE match victory versus OversKy (0)
ACE match victory versus Anytime (1)
ACE match victory versus BoxeR (0)
ACE match victory versus NaDa (2)
ACE match victory versus XellOs (1)
Total number of brag points: 7
Nal_rA had a rejuvenation of sorts as a player by focusing heavily on his ProLeague duties after his individual league schedule demands faltered. Nal_rA spearheaded the campaign against his team's rival, SK Telecom T1, with incredible performances in ACE matches versus a pretty tough line-up of players.
Nal_rA's ACE match victory versus GoRush, the zerg ace from SK Telecom T1, is still talked about to this date due to its impact and memorable game play.
3. JangBi: Eight consecutive ACE match victories
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ACE match victory versus Sea (2)
ACE match victory versus Hwasin (1)
ACE match victory versus Calm (0)
ACE match victory versus Memory (0)
ACE match victory versus ZerO (0)
ACE match victory versus Leta (2)
ACE match victory versus Kal (1)
ACE match victory versus Flash (2)
Total number of brag points: 8
Although utilized much less for the ACE matches than his teammate Stork over the course of his career, JangBi boasted a much cleaner record for his ACE matches. From 2007 to 2009, JangBi maintained an unbeaten streak in ACE matches, playing the sniper role for opponents Samsung Khan perhaps deemed to be tricky for Stork to handle. Although Stork was undoubtedly the true ace of his team, JangBi was one of the best side-kicks a team ace could ask for, representing his team a little more sparingly in the ACE matches, but displaying lethal doses of proficiency at dismantling the enemy team's champion of choice.
4. Jaedong: Eight consecutive ACE match victories
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ACE match victory versus ZerO (1)
ACE match victory versus Miracle (0)
ACE match victory versus EffOrt (1)
ACE match victory versus RorO (0)
ACE match victory versus RorO (0)
ACE match victory versus Leta (2)
ACE match victory versus FanTaSy (2)
ACE match victory versus ZerO (1)
Total number of brag points: 7
Sending zerg-versus-zerg snipers against the zerg ace of the enemy was frequently the strategical method of choice for numerous teams for nullifying the strength of an outstanding zerg player. However, Jaedong in his prime was the greatest zerg-versus-zerg specialist the world had ever seen, and he was able to easily dispatch numerous sniping attempts as well as defeating non-zerg ace players such as Leta, or FanTaSy to build up an eight game winning streak in ACE matches in the Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague season.
5. FanTaSy: Eight consecutive ACE match victories
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ACE match victory versus Action (0)
ACE match victory versus EffOrt (1)
ACE match victory versus herO (0)
ACE match victory versus Kal (1)
ACE match victory versus BaBy (0)
ACE match victory versus ZerO (2)
ACE match victory versus Sea (1)
ACE match victory versus Stork (1)
Total number of brag points: 6
FanTaSy shared the responsibility of the ace role with Bisu for SK Telecom T1, with BeSt playing the niche role as the terran sniper. Towards the latter days of professional Brood War, FanTaSy gradually took more and more ACE match duties than Bisu, and his success rate was quite respectable. FanTaSy was able to take out a plethora of top class players from all three races, and was able to build up an eight game winning streak by mid-2010.
 
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JangBi really stands out with how infrequently he played the ace match. Guess that's just coach Ea Gul's way of doing things. She always had some talent to work with, but I think for the majority of their careers, Stork was the go-to ace player between them.
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On December 12 2017 00:05 intotheheart wrote:
JangBi really stands out with how infrequently he played the ace match. Guess that's just coach Ea Gul's way of doing things. She always had some talent to work with, but I think for the majority of their careers, Stork was the go-to ace player between them.
Indeed, Stork has participated in more ProLeague ACE matches than any other professional player in history. Stork was the beating heart of Samsung Khan ever since his excellent ProLeague performances in 2005, but JangBi was one of the best side-kicks a team could ask for, especially before JangBi started to get disgruntled with the Samsung Khan management.
JangBi might have played more ACE matches if he played for another team, even if he still played the role of the secondary ace, because at Samsung Khan, Stork and JangBi both had significant overlap in their roles, due to both of them being protoss-versus-terran specialists. In any case, one thing JangBi cannot be blamed for is his success rate in ACE matches, even if JangBi enjoyed the luxury of being able to cherry pick the right moment to strike for his ACE matches, instead of always being called for by his team come rain or shine (which was more the case for someone like Stork).
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lol yet more cherry-picked stats trying to diminish Flash. How about showing the things he achieved on top of being the team's designated Ace? The 3x MSL/OSL trophies, the overall PL record he had, the all kill of SKT1, etc?
You're acting like an "expert witness" for the telecoms as they try to prove net neutrality is bad for the American consumer. What a waste of knowledge.
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Don't really get how he's trying to "Diminish Flash". Isn't he just posting interesting stats?
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On December 12 2017 01:46 Shady Sands wrote:
lol yet more cherry-picked stats trying to diminish Flash. How about showing the things he achieved on top of being the team's designated Ace? The 3x MSL/OSL trophies, the overall PL record he had, the all kill of SKT1, etc?
You're acting like an "expert witness" for the telecoms as they try to prove net neutrality is bad for the American consumer. What a waste of knowledge.
What the hell is your problem dude? Are you seriously so offended that there are parts of Flash that aren't perfect and universally loved, that you have to lash out so viciously like you've been doing? You've been like this since the ASL4 finals.
Flash has his flaws, and has had his low points. It doesn't diminish his achievements or greatness, so what's the big deal? Go write up a blog detailing all of Flash's great achievements if that's what you want.
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Great blog as usual, Letmelose. Just ignore the flashy whiner.
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On December 12 2017 01:46 Shady Sands wrote:
How about showing the things he achieved on top of being the team's designated Ace? The 3x MSL/OSL trophies, the overall PL record he had, the all kill of SKT1, etc?
Write it yourself. I would gladly read this, if you are capable of pouring so much heart into it as LML did into this one. Seeing your devotion to the cause, I cannot expect any less from you, can I? 
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On December 12 2017 01:46 Shady Sands wrote:
lol yet more cherry-picked stats trying to diminish Flash. How about showing the things he achieved on top of being the team's designated Ace? The 3x MSL/OSL trophies, the overall PL record he had, the all kill of SKT1, etc?
You're acting like an "expert witness" for the telecoms as they try to prove net neutrality is bad for the American consumer. What a waste of knowledge.
ahahaha I was actually waiting for this post as soon as I saw Flash on the list
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On December 12 2017 01:46 Shady Sands wrote:
lol yet more cherry-picked stats trying to diminish Flash. How about showing the things he achieved on top of being the team's designated Ace? The 3x MSL/OSL trophies, the overall PL record he had, the all kill of SKT1, etc?
You're acting like an "expert witness" for the telecoms as they try to prove net neutrality is bad for the American consumer. What a waste of knowledge.
My mistake for failing to incorporate results from MSL and OGN StarLeague into a discussion involving record breaking streaks in ProLeague ACE matches. What have I done bringing the name of NaDa into disrepute, failing to mention any of his credentials as a professional, and instead choosing to stick to the topic at hand. Surely NaDa's vast number of championships in OGN StarLeague, KPGA tournaments, GhemTV StarLeague, iTV tournaments, and KT-KTF Premier League is more relevant to the discussion than his actual performance in ProLeague ACE matches.
I'll have a moment of silence for NaDa, the Brood War legend who was not well represented on this blog, having his worst moments towards the twilight of his professional career being exposed to the public. Imagine the possibilities had I instead focused on his actual peak as a professional, when the ProLeague didn't even exist, nevermind ProLeague ACE matches. Wait, I'm not a simpleton who needs to be reminded every two seconds about how many trophies NaDa won during his career everytime his name is mentioned.
I'm afraid I've also let you down by neglecting the all-kill performances versus SK Telecom T1 of various players such as Light, Flash, and Stats, the fans of whom must all be upset that I failed to big any of them up for it on this particular occasion. I take responsibility for not mentioning the glorious achievements of any player who did anything of note outside the context of ProLeague ACE matches, and how it must have affected your emotional stability.
You see, I have this non-sensical need to stay on topic, so bear with me on this. I'll try to keep this conversation relevant to the topic at hand, and be in harmony for one of your wishes.
On December 11 2017 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:
Write a post that tells us all why Flash was able to completely dominate everyone from Dec 2009 to September 2010.
So this is Flash's ACE match records during your time-frame of choice. It is a luxury that I couldn't afford for fans of NaDa, for instance, so this is a special post just for you.
Flash's complete domination of everybody during ACE matches from December 2009 to September 2010
+ Show Spoiler +ACE match victory versus Sea
ACE match victory versus Stork
ACE match victory versus Calm
ACE match victory versus free
ACE match defeat to FanTaSy
ACE match victory versus RuBy
ACE match defeat to SnOw
ACE match defeat to HiyA
ACE match defeat to RuBy
ACE match defeat to BaBy
ACE match defeat to sKyHigh
ACE match defeat to Really
Overall record: 5-7 (41.67%)
That's five ACE matches victories over the course of twelve opportunities to single-handedly decide the fate of the entire series. Flash was able to completely annihilate Stork and free on Neo Tornado and Roadrunner, two truly difficult maps that only gave terran players a 63%, and 70% chance of winning versus protoss race respectively. Flash also happened to lose a couple of matches to terran players, but it was totally down to luck, and it doesn't matter what happened there because Flash is literally god.
Now that we have taken the opportunity to indulge in some of that awesomeness that Flash brought to the table, let's check how some of the other aces performed under the gun, for the exact time-frame you personally outlined for me.
Kal's ACE matches representing STX SouL from December 2009 to September 2010
+ Show Spoiler +ACE match victory versus YellOw[ArnC]
ACE match victory versus RorO
ACE match victory versus NaDa
ACE match victory versus free
ACE match victory versus HoGiL
ACE match victory versus Great
ACE match defeat to Shine
ACE match victory versus Horang2
ACE match defeat to FanTaSy
Overall record: 7-2 (77.78%)
FanTaSy's ACE matches representing SK Telecom T1 from December 2009 to September 2010
+ Show Spoiler +ACE match victory versus ZerO
ACE match victory versus Flash
ACE match defeat to Jaedong
ACE match victory versus Action
ACE match victory versus EffOrt
ACE match victory versus herO
ACE match victory versus Kal
Overall record: 6-1 (85.71%)
Leta's ACE matches representing HITE Sparkyz from December 2009 to September 2010
+ Show Spoiler +ACE match defeat versus free
ACE match victory versus Really
ACE match defeat to Violet
ACE match victory versus Anytime
ACE match victory versus Firebathero
ACE match defeat to Jaedong
ACE match victory versus Jaehoon
ACE match victory versus free
ACE match victory versus ZerO
ACE match defeat to fOrGG
Overall record: 6-4 (60%)
Jaedong's ACE matches representing Hwaseung Oz from December 2009 to September 2010
+ Show Spoiler +ACE match victory versus RorO
ACE match victory versus RorO
ACE match victory versus Leta
ACE match victory versus FanTaSy
ACE match victory versus ZerO
ACE match defeat to s2
Overall record: 5-1 (83.33%)
As you can see, these idiots had nothing on Flash, and you can clearly see for yourself that Flash was the only terran ace player worth a damn, because quite clearly terran players are massively under-represented when using this time-frame. Imagine how one-sided it would look for the other two races had Flash not existed to bring in the excellent results during ACE matches.
This is why Flash was totally unfairly represented in the original post, and why I need guidance from wise posters such as yourself to set the parameters. Thank god you had the insight to pin point exactly which time-frame of performance I should look into for Flash.
I hope we can be on friendly terms now that I've managed to stay on topic and obliged to one of your requests.
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That was a great read. Both the OP and the reply :D Thanks for the amazing blogs Letmelose <3
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Interesting point supported by data with a clear source against senseless whine. Doesn't get any better than that !
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Ok but what about Top 10 proleague performers with ID starting with F and ending with h?
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Times Shady Sands got fucked in this thread: 1 (100% fuckedrate)
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I mean, I think we can all agree Brood War is the greatest game ever. This gives us BW enthusiasts the right, nay, the obligation, to take offense every time someone praises another game.
IGN compiles a list of the greatest FPS games ever? E-mail them and demand BW be included.
Your friend wants to play Rocket League with you? This is a clear slight directed at BW and may be grounds for ending the friendship.
Your niece plays Candy Crush on her phone? Rip it out of her hands and lecture her about the only true game: BW.
Anything less would be a disservice to the greatest game ever made. And this is why I agree with Shady Sands.
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On December 12 2017 23:37 Jae Zedong wrote:
I mean, I think we can all agree Brood War is the greatest game ever. This gives us BW enthusiasts the right, nay, the obligation, to take offense every time someone praises another game.
IGN compiles a list of the greatest FPS games ever? E-mail them and demand BW be included.
Your friend wants to play Rocket League with you? This is a clear slight directed at BW and may be grounds for ending the friendship.
Your niece plays Candy Crush on her phone? Rip it out of her hands and lecture her about the only true game: BW.
Anything less would be a disservice to the greatest game ever made. And this is why I agree with Shady Sands.
You are too cruel.
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Well this was just great. Excellent blog. Please keep them coming!
On December 12 2017 15:01 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 01:46 Shady Sands wrote:
lol yet more cherry-picked stats trying to diminish Flash. How about showing the things he achieved on top of being the team's designated Ace? The 3x MSL/OSL trophies, the overall PL record he had, the all kill of SKT1, etc?
You're acting like an "expert witness" for the telecoms as they try to prove net neutrality is bad for the American consumer. What a waste of knowledge. My mistake for failing to incorporate results from MSL and OGN StarLeague into a discussion involving record breaking streaks in ProLeague ACE matches. What have I done bringing the name of NaDa into disrepute, failing to mention any of his credentials as a professional, and instead choosing to stick to the topic at hand. Surely NaDa's vast number of championships in OGN StarLeague, KPGA tournaments, GhemTV StarLeague, iTV tournaments, and KT-KTF Premier League is more relevant to the discussion than his actual performance in ProLeague ACE matches. I'll have a moment of silence for NaDa, the Brood War legend who was not well represented on this blog, having his worst moments towards the twilight of his professional career being exposed to the public. Imagine the possibilities had I instead focused on his actual peak as a professional, when the ProLeague didn't even exist, nevermind ProLeague ACE matches. Wait, I'm not a simpleton who needs to be reminded every two seconds about how many trophies NaDa won during his career everytime his name is mentioned. I'm afraid I've also let you down by neglecting the all-kill performances versus SK Telecom T1 of various players such as Light, Flash, and Stats, the fans of whom must all be upset that I failed to big any of them up for it on this particular occasion. I take responsibility for not mentioning the glorious achievements of any player who did anything of note outside the context of ProLeague ACE matches, and how it must have affected your emotional stability. You see, I have this non-sensical need to stay on topic, so bear with me on this. I'll try to keep this conversation relevant to the topic at hand, and be in harmony for one of your wishes. Show nested quote +On December 11 2017 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:
Write a post that tells us all why Flash was able to completely dominate everyone from Dec 2009 to September 2010. So this is Flash's ACE match records during your time-frame of choice. It is a luxury that I couldn't afford for fans of NaDa, for instance, so this is a special post just for you. Flash's complete domination of everybody during ACE matches from December 2009 to September 2010+ Show Spoiler +ACE match victory versus Sea
ACE match victory versus Stork
ACE match victory versus Calm
ACE match victory versus free
ACE match defeat to FanTaSy
ACE match victory versus RuBy
ACE match defeat to SnOw
ACE match defeat to HiyA
ACE match defeat to RuBy
ACE match defeat to BaBy
ACE match defeat to sKyHigh
ACE match defeat to Really Overall record: 5-7 (41.67%) That's five ACE matches victories over the course of twelve opportunities to single handily decide the fate of the entire series. Flash was able to completely annihilate Stork and free on Neo Tornado and Roadrunner, two truly difficult maps that only gave terran players a 63%, and 70% chance of winning versus protoss race respectively. Flash also happened to lose a couple of matches to terran players, but it was totally down to luck, and it doesn't matter what happened there because Flash is literally god. Now that we have taken the opportunity to indulge in some of that awesomeness that Flash brought to the table, let's check how some of the other aces performed under the gun, for the exact time-frame you personally outlined for me. Kal's ACE matches representing STX SouL from December 2009 to September 2010+ Show Spoiler +ACE match victory versus YellOw[ArnC]
ACE match victory versus RorO
ACE match victory versus NaDa
ACE match victory versus free
ACE match victory versus HoGiL
ACE match victory versus Great
ACE match defeat to Shine
ACE match victory versus Horang2
ACE match defeat to FanTaSy Overall record: 7-2 (77.78%) FanTaSy's ACE matches representing SK Telecom T1 from December 2009 to September 2010+ Show Spoiler +ACE match victory versus ZerO
ACE match victory versus Flash
ACE match defeat to Jaedong
ACE match victory versus Action
ACE match victory versus EffOrt
ACE match victory versus herO
ACE match victory versus Kal Overall record: 6-1 (85.71%) Leta's ACE matches representing HITE Sparkyz from December 2009 to September 2010+ Show Spoiler +ACE match defeat versus free
ACE match victory versus Really
ACE match defeat to Violet
ACE match victory versus Anytime
ACE match victory versus Firebathero
ACE match defeat to Jaedong
ACE match victory versus Jaehoon
ACE match victory versus free
ACE match victory versus ZerO
ACE match defeat to fOrGG Overall record: 6-4 (60%) Jaedong's ACE matches representing Hwaseung Oz from December 2009 to September 2010+ Show Spoiler +ACE match victory versus RorO
ACE match victory versus RorO
ACE match victory versus Leta
ACE match victory versus FanTaSy
ACE match victory versus ZerO
ACE match defeat to s2 Overall record: 5-1 (83.33%) As you can see, these idiots had nothing on Flash, and you can clearly see for yourself that Flash was the only terran ace player worth a damn, because quite clearly terran players are massively under-represented when using this time-frame. Imagine how one-sided it would look for the other two races had Flash not existed to bring in the excellent results during ACE matches. This is why Flash was totally unfairly represented in the original post, and why I need guidance from wise posters such as yourself to set the parameters. Thank god you had the insight to pin point exactly which time-frame of performance I should look into for Flash. I hope we can be on friendly terms now that I've managed to stay on topic and obliged to one of your requests.
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To be fair though, wasn't Flash in a unique position of having to carry his team all the time? I don't have a good memory, but my impression was that for a long period Flash was under immense pressure and had opposing teams always ready to snipe him because it was guaranteed he'd be playing ACE. I remember his individual leagues suffering too because he just seemed so stressed out and spread thin.
I guess Jaedong must have been in similar position? I'm judging only from the Hwaseung House memes... I don't know how to dig up the stats and history of the period. Was KT doing especially bad during Flash's losing ACE streak compared to other team's players during their streaks?
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On December 13 2017 05:51 Starlightsun wrote:
To be fair though, wasn't Flash in a unique position of having to carry his team all the time? I don't have a good memory, but my impression was that for a long period Flash was under immense pressure and had opposing teams always ready to snipe him because it was guaranteed he'd be playing ACE. I remember his individual leagues suffering too because he just seemed so stressed out and spread thin.
I guess Jaedong must have been in similar position? I'm judging only from the Hwaseung House memes... I don't know how to dig up the stats and history of the period. Was KT doing especially bad during Flash's losing ACE streak compared to other team's players during their streaks?
Teams having success, and player success during ACE matches are linked, but are not the only factors involved. Teams can have success by winning before the fifth match, and the question of how much a team depended on a single player is a wider topic that needs further inspection than mere ACE match results.
Player dependence by teams on a single ace player for one-versus-one victories was already discussed in one my blogs.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/526561-players-who-were-held-back-by-teammates
Since two-versus-two matches were influential in terms of deciding the fate of various teams until two-versus-two matches were abolished altogether after Shinhan 2008 ProLeague was finished with, the above blog does not necessary rank how dependent teams were on a single player for general success, just one-versus-one success.
For example, Reach played a huge role in the success of his team (he was directly responsible for two-thirds of his team's ProLeague victories) in the first ever ProLeague season, being both the one-versus-one and two-versus-two ace for the team, but my blog mainly focused on the one-versus-one aspect of the ProLeague.
Flash never played a competitive ProLeague two-versus-two match during his professional career (I'm not counting two-versus-two games played during All Star matches), his contributions for the team were purely one-versus-one prowess. His one-versus-one contributions can be directly correlated to the success of his team after the two-versus-two games were abolished for the Shinhan 2008/2009 ProLeague season.
If we were to rank player dependence of teams for the Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague season, which didn't have any from two-verus-two games, and included six out of seven ACE match defeats Flash suffered, I think a ranking of player dependence might best answer your question. I'll rank the twelve teams based on their dependence on a single player for Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague.
1. Hwaseung Oz in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
Jaedong's total number of victories: 52
Hwaseung Oz's total number of victories without Jaedong: 73
Jaedong's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 41.6%
2. HITE Sparkyz in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
Leta's total number of victories: 43
HITE Sparkyz's total number of victories without Light: 64
Light's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 40.19%
3. KT Rolster in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
Flash's total number of victories: 61
KT Rolster's total number of victories without Flash: 96
Flash's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 38.85%
4. MBC Game HERO in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
Light's total number of victories: 49
MBC Game HERO's total number of victories without Light: 97
Light's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 33.56%
5. Estro in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
Really's total number of victories: 36
Estro's total number of victories without Really: 84
Really's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 30%
6. Woongjin Stars in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
ZerO's total number of victories: 40
Woongjin Stars' total number of victories without ZerO: 94
Light's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 29.85%
7. SK Telecom T1 in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
FanTaSy's total number of victories: 46
SK Telecom T1's total number of victories without FanTaSy: 109
FanTaSy's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 29.68%
8. CJ Entus in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
EffOrt's total number of victories: 39
CJ Entus' total number of victories without EffOrt: 100
EffOrt's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 28.06%
9. STX SouL in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
Kal's total number of victories: 38
STX SouL's total number of victories without Kal: 99
Kal's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 27.74%
10. Air Force ACE in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
RuBy's total number of victories: 21
Air Force ACE's total number of victories without RuBy: 55
Light's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 27.63%
11. Samsung Khan in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
Stork's total number of victories: 31
Samsung Khan's total number of victories without Stork: 84
Stork's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 26.96%
12. WeMade Fox in Shinhan 2009/2010 ProLeague
RorO's total number of victories: 35
WeMade Fox's total number of victories without Stork: 115
RorO's contributions to the total number of his team's victories: 23.33%
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Thanks for the in depth answer. It's very interesting to see all the stats from those bygone days..
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Another great read, Letmelose. As someone who missed and laughed at the popularity of BW years ago I appreciate being able to learn more of it.
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Japan11286 Posts
That Nal_rA vs GoRush game was that long game on Neo Forte(?) correct? The one where Nal_rA even got carriers?
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On December 17 2017 02:03 c3rberUs wrote:
That Nal_rA vs GoRush game was that long game on Neo Forte(?) correct? The one where Nal_rA even got carriers?
Yup. Here's a highlight video (divided into two parts) of all his nine ACE match victories if you are interested.
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I think Nal_rA initial status as a ProLeague one-versus-one beast is a narrative that got lost with time, what with the inflation of ProLeague schedule allowing more recent players to dwarf the numbers of past legends with incredible ease even if they were not at the very top of the player hierarchy.
By the end of the 2005 ProLeague season (SKY 2005 ProLeague Grand Finals), this was the all-time standings for the one-versus-one games:
1) NaDa: 32-22 (59.3%)
2) iloveoov: 28-9 (75.7%)
3) Midas: 26-9 (74.3%)
4) JJu: 24-18 (57.1%)
5) Nal_rA: 22-12 (64.7%)
In an era when the ProLeague was mostly dominated by terran aces such as NaDa, iloveoov, and Midas, Nal_rA was one of the few protoss players capable of leading his team through his one-versus-one prowess. Of course, SK Telecom T1 eventually managed to conquer everything partly thanks to being in possession of two out of the three ProLeague terran monsters on their roster, but Nal_rA's ACE match victory is one of the key moments that allowed the SK Telecom T1 versus KTF MagicNs match-up to secure itself as the El Clasico of Korean e-Sports.
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