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On September 23 2017 16:30 ninazerg wrote: Canadians always get mad because they know this list is true. Honestly I have no idea how Canada got a reputation as a country of people with good manners. Maybe we are much better behaved as tourists but let ourselves go when we are back home? I think we really need to step it up if we want to think of ourselves as a polite people. Also isn't this a little off topic? | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On September 24 2017 07:57 DepressionSC wrote: Honestly I have no idea how Canada got a reputation as a country of people with good manners. Maybe we are much better behaved as tourists but let ourselves go when we are back home? I think we really need to step it up if we want to think of ourselves as a polite people. Also isn't this a little off topic? Not if you're in on the joke. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 24 2017 00:54 TwiggyWan wrote: It's not about being good in an absolute sense. "No matter how good you are at something, an asian boy is better than you" is a sentence true for everything. It's more like "I'm trying to play the game this way but I can't keep up with all the shit that's happening and I lose, despite more or less knowing where the game needs to go from there, therefore I'm frustrated". For me, being good is being able to convert my thoughts into the game. I want to move my units there. I want to cast X spell. I want to drop here while doing something else there. Losing because you got outsmarted/had no idea what you were doing is okay. But losing continually to mechanical problems when the game is won strategically is very depressing to me. What i mean by that is when you engineer yourself an advantage that you can't use properly. For example being well positioned in quake with a decent stack but dying to someone with perfect lg aim; or being a 200/200 3/3 terran against a protoss and dying because it's hard to destroy each of the million bases P has. In such situations, thoughts are very clear : I lost because I suck. How can I not lose? By getting in that exact same situation thousands times more, until I get over that hump. But there are 2 problems : Problem 1 is that it's very hard to actually feel like you're getting closer. In FPS, either you hit the shot, either you don't. It's difficult to understand that "I'm now hitting this shot 50% of the time, and a week ago this was 40%", or "I held 2 minutes in late game TvP chaos, before I coulld only hold for one minute". At least when you do bodybuilding you can count your reps while doing it and instantly notice that you could do one more. Problem 2 is that after failing something you'd reallly like to get another shot to try it again. But when you play simple starcraft, you can't know if the same situation will happen the next game, or 10 games after that. Therefore, you know you sucked in situation X, but you can't put yourself back in X at will. That's BW in a nutshell. You know what you need to do and accomplish but there are lots of tasks that have to also be done and those take you off track. A good example in my case was one game where I was macroing like a champ at the time on HBR. I had 2-3 bases and had two large forces at the third and fourth base. I wanted to press both at the same time and force my opponent to divide his attention. Alas, I could never break either one and eventually, both my armies got pushed back and I lost soon after the contains were broken. All because I couldn't for the life of me control both armies well enough to do some damage. I also had to keep my macro going on top of this etc... Also, I've lost track of the amount of games I lost after denying a third in TvZ. I mean, we all know that that means that the game is over and terran wins, right? wrong. You can get ling-all in'd or worse yet, your opponent surrounds your army, kills it and double expands while you turtle at home or what about a lurker/ling all-in that strikes right after your army just killed the third. You have a single bunker, some marines and nothing else. I could go on and on, lots of ways that you can still lose a "won" game. Even in the games above, in the second game, I cleaned 3 bases worth of drones. Maybe I didn't kill a hatchery but surely, that must mean I was ahead yet I still lost. Stuff happens and games are won and lost just as easily. Don't take it to heart, just try harder next time and remember to have fun! | ||
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TwiggyWan
France342 Posts
On September 24 2017 05:32 ninazerg wrote: I'm not automatically good at something, therefore it's not fun. That's it xD On September 24 2017 11:38 BigFan wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 24 2017 00:54 TwiggyWan wrote: It's not about being good in an absolute sense. "No matter how good you are at something, an asian boy is better than you" is a sentence true for everything. It's more like "I'm trying to play the game this way but I can't keep up with all the shit that's happening and I lose, despite more or less knowing where the game needs to go from there, therefore I'm frustrated". For me, being good is being able to convert my thoughts into the game. I want to move my units there. I want to cast X spell. I want to drop here while doing something else there. Losing because you got outsmarted/had no idea what you were doing is okay. But losing continually to mechanical problems when the game is won strategically is very depressing to me. What i mean by that is when you engineer yourself an advantage that you can't use properly. For example being well positioned in quake with a decent stack but dying to someone with perfect lg aim; or being a 200/200 3/3 terran against a protoss and dying because it's hard to destroy each of the million bases P has. In such situations, thoughts are very clear : I lost because I suck. How can I not lose? By getting in that exact same situation thousands times more, until I get over that hump. But there are 2 problems : Problem 1 is that it's very hard to actually feel like you're getting closer. In FPS, either you hit the shot, either you don't. It's difficult to understand that "I'm now hitting this shot 50% of the time, and a week ago this was 40%", or "I held 2 minutes in late game TvP chaos, before I coulld only hold for one minute". At least when you do bodybuilding you can count your reps while doing it and instantly notice that you could do one more. Problem 2 is that after failing something you'd reallly like to get another shot to try it again. But when you play simple starcraft, you can't know if the same situation will happen the next game, or 10 games after that. Therefore, you know you sucked in situation X, but you can't put yourself back in X at will. That's BW in a nutshell. You know what you need to do and accomplish but there are lots of tasks that have to also be done and those take you off track. A good example in my case was one game where I was macroing like a champ at the time on HBR. I had 2-3 bases and had two large forces at the third and fourth base. I wanted to press both at the same time and force my opponent to divide his attention. Alas, I could never break either one and eventually, both my armies got pushed back and I lost soon after the contains were broken. All because I couldn't for the life of me control both armies well enough to do some damage. I also had to keep my macro going on top of this etc... Also, I've lost track of the amount of games I lost after denying a third in TvZ. I mean, we all know that that means that the game is over and terran wins, right? wrong. You can get ling-all in'd or worse yet, your opponent surrounds your army, kills it and double expands while you turtle at home or what about a lurker/ling all-in that strikes right after your army just killed the third. You have a single bunker, some marines and nothing else. I could go on and on, lots of ways that you can still lose a "won" game. Even in the games above, in the second game, I cleaned 3 bases worth of drones. Maybe I didn't kill a hatchery but surely, that must mean I was ahead yet I still lost. Stuff happens and games are won and lost just as easily. Don't take it to heart, just try harder next time and remember to have fun! Man I wish I had your mindset, enjoy your journey on the ladder! | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
As for the mindset, I've lost so many games at this point that having another 0-20 lose streak isn't as bothersome as it once was lol. Once you accept that you're a noob at BW and can only improve slowly overtime with some breaks in between, you'll find it does wonders. My advice for you is to try and find someone who's willing to play a matchup you enjoy and just play as much as possible on different maps. NEC, HBR, FS, CB, Neo Medusa etc... all maps that I've played a ton of games on and have won and lost in good and bad games  | ||
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
On September 22 2017 13:23 BigFan wrote: Yes, when it comes to BW, its mechanical difficulty is on a whole different level and that's one of the cited reasons. In fact, from all available RTS games out there, few even come close. StarCraft II is probably the only game that might just slightly touch BW's mechanical difficulty. Try the Wargame or CoH series and tell this again. Even more-less accurate calculations of the efective ranges are hard to learn in the Wargame, and I never learned the all small-things in CoH to even win with the noobs. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On September 25 2017 11:25 BigFan wrote: I've lost so many games at this point that having another 0-20 lose streak isn't as bothersome as it once was lol. You're welcome. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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