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August 24 2016 22:14 GMT
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On August 25 2016 06:15 Dapper_Cad wrote:
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On August 24 2016 06:40 Jerubaal wrote:
Eh, well...There's lots of directions you could go with this and I'm not sure if your aim is to just be pejorative, but no. It's a political ideology. It's a pretty bare bones ideology in my opinion. Only Capitalism is more bare bones, but Capitalism is much more malleable and can graft onto a range of of other theories.

You could argue that Libertarianism could trace some roots back to some religious movements, but the roots of American Progressivism in the descendants of Puritans is well documented and they display a much greater degree of "religious" fervor.


I was being somewhat facetious... But no, I don't think that something being a religion makes it wholly bad. But it does usually entail a bunch of people that believe it to be wholly good and with that stop thinking for themselves.

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On August 24 2016 13:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On August 24 2016 04:45 Dapper_Cad wrote:
On August 23 2016 04:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
basically, the speaker in the video is saying... we're experiencing an accelerated rate of change. in other words the 2nd derivative taken on the reality function is very high.

due to this accelerated rate of change many have this feeling that the ground beneath their feet is shifting and it gives people an uneasy feeling of total instability.

as a result, many people are reaching for religion as a stabilizer .... while others are reaching for self help techniques to improve their confidence and increase their willingness to think independently.

as a side note , Alvin Toffler coined the phrase "Future Shock" to describes human reaction to the ever increasing rate of change. I think Toffler is a f'n genius.


You don't see libertarianism as a religious movement?


i'm unsure of libertarianism's meta-ethical roots. the be an objecitivist as branden is you must believe that life and death is our ultimate alternative that we face every second of every day. some religions argue you are not actually dead and you live on .. and your alternative is to serve god or not... and physical life and death are not of prime importance.

strictly speaking Branden is not a libertarian. he is a david kelley objectivist. objectivism split in 2.. with a bunch siding with Kelley and a bunch siding with Rand's anointed intellectual heir Leonard Piekoff.

although i do not believe in every word ever uttered by Miss Rand i'd describe myself as a Kelley-Objectivist.

the debate between Kelley and Piekoff hinges upon Kelley's "Fact And Value" thesis.

the next time you are having trouble sleeping , rather than taking a sedative i recommend "fact and value" by David Kelley.


Yes, this doesn't sound like a religion at all.

Do you have a link to "fact and value" by David Kelley? All I could find was an argument that started when Peter Schwartz told Kelley he wasn't allowed to talk to Libertarians, Kelley said "no way, that's bullshit" and then Piekoff told Kelley "No, YOU'RE bullshit" in an essay entitled "Fact and value".


i read "Fact and Value" several times at the University of Waterloo philosophy library. it was part of a collection that was not available on loan. so i had to read it in the library.

no idea where you'd find it... start calling up philosophy profs at your university maybe?
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