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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
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Falling
Canada11350 Posts
My Star Wars nerdiness has to duke it out with my Lord of the Rings nerdiness | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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TwiggyWan
France329 Posts
I appreciate the effort, but you could have just linked the plinkett reviews instead. | ||
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Falling
Canada11350 Posts
On December 28 2015 23:31 TwiggyWan wrote: TLDR prequels plot is weak and incoherent. I appreciate the effort, but you could have just linked the plinkett reviews instead. Only if you think nothing new was said. Think of the Prequels as the Thesis, Plinkett as the Antithesis and this as the Synthesis. On December 25 2015 00:52 AllHailHydraGod wrote: What about Obi-Wan's "If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" line. The only thing that makes sense to me is he'll become a martyr, powerful meaning he'll become a symbol for the righteous fight, an umbrella to unite and coerce idle bystanders to join the resistance under; which pretty much came to being with the joint coordinated strike force, even though it hasn't specifically been linked to Kenobi's death. This line probably sparked the emotional conflict which lead to Anakin's absolution, I'm guessing because the power-playboy got reminded that while the dark side's maximum power, however alluring for a single or a couple of individuals, is limited by the wielder's lifetime, the light side is infinitely stronger as the sum of the small doses in each and every individual working together for the common good and thus is of a higher dimension. A prequel would have to explain the dark side as a failed attempt to philosophically overarch still the light side's limitations, portray the adepts of the dark side as pioneers of force-research who's short-circuited psyche has been left to rot in disconnection to the light side's grace. Then any sequels would be galvanized to debate whether the problem with the dark side experiment has been the incompetence of its adepts, a lack of support and understanding by the light side, an inopportune time for this aspect of the force to be accessed as a general immaturity or what... That's some good thoughts. I honestly haven't thought that much about the 'strike me down' but that idea plus force ghosts did need to be dealt with in the prequels- I personally found the 'Qui Gon just discovered a new trick' idea rather underwhelming. It would be more interesting if IV's Obi Wan is highlighting a fundamental lack of understanding that Anakin had in regards to the Force in the prequels. I didn't like the whole 'stop people from dying' execution. But it is interesting that the Sith hang on to their physical life (becoming half man/ half machine) rather than embracing death. Whereas Original Prequel Jedi see death as 'becoming more powerful' or Yoda saying "luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." Fundamentally it seems the Jedi are the strongest surrendering their life rather than clinging to crude matter... but how does that play out in a visual medium where the biggest demonstration of Force power is Force flips and lighting bolts? I have no idea. An interesting alternative to Owen's backstory proposed by escapegoat100: What if Tatooine was originally a savannah planet, but in the beginning of Episode I, it is hit by the clone masters by devastating new weapons (bombed to hell with radiation) or destroyed with chemical weapons or something. The story would start from the perspective of Anakin and Owen surviving the early clone master attacks and the apocalyptic devastation. When Obi Wan comes with the Republic to drive off the clones, he finds Anakin leading a cobbled together squadron of fighters- Anakin decides to join the Republic forces (idealistic crusade) to defeat the clones (bordering on vengeance.) Whereas Owen simply wants to survive and remake their life on Tatooine. Over the course of the prequels, out of the fall out zones that was completely unapproachable appear the Sand People- survivors of the initial blast, but still too close to the blast site of whatever got dropped on Tatooine. This moves towards to why are there people living on Tatooine and why are there herds of Banthas wandering around? In Dune, people came to that planet for the spice, but in Star Wars, the spice is on Kessel- Tatooine is just a market for spice. It also very quickly establishes the clones without needing a super weapon- the goal for the first film could be to destroy the facilities that make this deadly ordinances and haul off the scientists that made it. Then save defeating the clones for the second film when the Separatists get going. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
Grand admiral Thrawn, the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, the creation of the new jedi school in yavin 4 (i believe, my knowledge is a bit rusty), han and lea actually had 2 kids here that were both gifted in the force....and the movie is like nah we are gonna not follow this at all. I am very sad that all of these stories will most likely never see the movie screen I personally would have loved to see the yuuzhan vong invasion, it was I would say almost the most brutal thing to shake the galaxy, we would see a lot more jedis, han solo and lea and luke would all be an appropriate age as well....so much potential all lost now... | ||
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SamuelGreen
Sweden292 Posts
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Falling
Canada11350 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On January 03 2016 07:18 Falling wrote: There are numbers and then there is prominence. For instance, there is only one Superman, but he is so prominent that he'd be difficult to forget in 18 years. Same thing with the Jedi- I'm not convinced there are only 1000 Jedis, but given their high ranking position as a parallel power structure in Republic, that they are the reason a Republic Army was considered unnecessary and that they pretty much all were generals in the Clone War (the WWII analog), it's difficult for me to think that they'd be forgotten so soon. (By 1963, we'd already forgotten Eisenhower, Patton, MacArthur Montgomery, etc.) I know the EU isn't canon any more, but it seems like the current status of the galaxy we are introduced to in the original trilogy is that the jedi are extinct. The way I read this is that even during the time of the prequel trilogy, the Jedi were in decline. We're far removed from the old age where there was a galactic conflict between the Sith and Jedi. It seems like thousands of years ago, Jedi were the prominent force in the galaxy, and for generations they've been on the decline, and Vader obviously destroyed what was left of them. It's unclear and not explained what precipitated this decline. If I were making the prequels, I'd have the Jedi Council as basically an advisory committee to the Republic, there probably aren't many of them, a handful of masters on the Council, and each of them probably has a few apprentices - so maybe there are ~100 jedi total or something, but they're probably spread across the galaxy mostly practicing diplomacy. Ironically, the VERY BEGINNING premise of Episode 1 matches that description -- Qui Gon/Obi Wan are on a diplomatic mission to negotiate the blockade with the trade federation. That's how I view the role of the Jedi during that time... but then as the prequels progress it just becomes like Diablo 3, slashers. This way you can make Episode 1 the setting of the stage of the current galactic situation, discovery of Anakin and the beginning of his training... Episode 2 is the height of the galactic struggle, Anakin's downfall... Episode 3 would be Anakin becoming Darth Vader, the Empire taking control, and the hunting down of the remaining Jedi // disappearance of Yoda and Obi Wan. It's actually tough to say where Darth Vader should go. It seems like Anakin and Obi Wan knew each other and were friends for many years, so if Episode 1 is the discovery of Anakin and Episode 2 is where he becomes Vader, that seems too soon. However, it's awkward from a story perspective if he becomes Vader sometime at the beginning of Episode 3. In the originals (and prequels), each successive film is years after the previous, so if Anakin becomes Darth Vader in Episode 3 it would make more sense temporally. I really hope that Disney will opt to remake the prequels at some point -- and actually they could do it concurrently with filming current Star Wars movies because it's not like any of the same characters/actors would be used. If Spider Man can reboot 3 times, I don't see why the prequels couldn't be rebooted. I'm sure every single Star Wars fan ever would be more than hyped for that. | ||
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DeliverNamA
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
Tarkin should obviously be a major character. I was imagining him more as the Admiral of the Republic Fleet, as well as your role of political supporter of militarization. The idea is he would be the Saul Karath to Anakin's Darth Revan. Owen should also have a backstory, probably as Obi-Wan's reticent brother. Sex as the sin of the Jedi makes no sense in the prequels... it's dropped as a theme and never mentioned in the OT. Vader's desire is to "End this destructive conflict, and rule the galaxy as father and son. His fall to the dark side should reflect the loneliness and the desire to end violence/disorder that is implied there. All the prequel villains must go. Maybe Maul's design can stay, he didn't really have any characterization worth mentioning. The villains in the Clone Wars are supposed to be the Mandalorians. The final bit of the war should be Anakin deciding that a war-based culture like the Mandos is only defeated when it is exterminated. So he anihilates them to the last man. Boba Fett survives somehow, perhaps as a traitor, maybe as a child Anakin spares when he begs at his feet, but sends away: "Go." "Where? What will I do?" "Survive. Any way you can." More to say, will say later. | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
I noticed after reading your take on Anakin that that was something that really bothered me in the prequels. In the OT, Vader showed a great penchant for cruelty, but he always held himself in such a composed manner. He very rarely showed great flashes of anger. His constant attitude towards the dark side as "underestimated" I think underlies his real reason for turning to the dark side: he truly believes it is more powerful than the light. Yoda's notion that the dark side is "quicker, easier, more seductive" could be the crux for this decision; maybe a timing-window event that requires Anakin to wield the Force quickly in order to consolidate power (something which the light side was too slow to provide), or maybe some critical encounter with Palpatine. I think a vastly different portrayal of Anakin as a brilliant mind that turns to the dark not based purely on emotion, but on cold calculation, would have been a much more intriguing storyline. (Kylo Ren would be the antithesis to this, which would be just as intriguing) | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
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