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On September 17 2015 19:20 DKnuGGeT wrote:
You have to win 5 games and lose 1 to make 100 mmr. Now to reach 5k you would need like 120 games wins and 20 losses or something like that. Not easy when I can't play for months at a time.
As you can see it took 3 months for that dude to get to 4.3k can take you like 2 weeks on a new account.
each dot is one game. u can see literally half the climb was in the past 2 weeks
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I don't understand the problem, whatever the actual number is, you should be matched with the same pool of players. The smurfing issue may be something at higher levels but it very rarely happened to me, way less than drunk people.
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the video you cited is fucking dogshit fucking piece of feeding crap
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On September 18 2015 03:15 Artisreal wrote:
the video you cited is fucking dogshit fucking piece of feeding crap
ChiLongQua is the best Dota 2 player in the fucking world.
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Did I miss something here? Because this really isn't anything new. We know how smurfs work, and we know MMR is inflating, honestly neither of these are a huge issue. Smurfs can be annoying but they are a reality we are probably going to have to deal with, and Valve can downscale MMR any time they want, proportionally it wont make a difference.
I think youre just looking for something to be upset about.
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it's actually impossible to be 70% winrate and calibrate under 3k unless you throw your first couple of games, win every normal skill game until calibration, and then throw all your calibration games as well. the people who are making smurf accounts and calibrating around 4.5k are probably close to that level on their main accounts (unless they're well over that number).
you're just not as good as you think you are
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Playing to simply get a better MMR is not going to make you a good/better player.
Just forget about your MMR. Concentrate on improving and your MMR will increase naturally.
the whole "I'm 3k, but I'm so gut I'm supposed to be 5k" is just gonna make dota less fun, as well as keep you at a mediocre level.
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The account I did it on was 3 years ago. My winrate dropped towards the end of the account. I had shit KDA but I was winning 80% and it dropped. I did play a lot with my friend from america so maybe that threw it off balance. His account is also a 3.5k and I played with friends that are high (4.5k) I played with zidko (6.3k) and his smurf, (5.3k) plus Liam, who's 2-3k mmr so maybe the constant flux from very high skill to slow skill messed with the reading. I was playing abbadon, clock werk, natures. Didn't have good KDA at all, and dropped from 80% to 70% at the last level 10 to 13. I also heard from my 2 friends that you now need level 50 to play ranked and that you can't do anything on a new account without spending money. (Can't trade, add friends. Something like that.) So I don't know. I don't get to play much. So yes I'm not a very good player. I did it long ago when I had a pc, haven't had 1 for the past 2 years now. I don't know the meta items, I don't know the meta heroes. I'm not the kind of guy who would spam storm spirit or bloodseeker to boost mmr. I just made an account (without researching anything about mmr calibration) and just played and had a high winrate. My friend zerox who is now a 5k player who I met 6 years ago on wc3. He also calirbated at 2.8k and when I told him to make a smurf, he is now 5k from making his new smurf. He can play every day, I can't. So that's all I can tell you guys. Maybe something messed with calibration. (Like losing normal skill games) or winning normal skill, losing very high skill (from playing with zidko(6.3) and playing with liam (2-3k)
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Let me just say this, I made this just to talk about mmr, inflation smurfs and shit, not to talk about my failed smurf account. I don't play heroes that require team mates. For instance. When I play natures. I've got a sorta sniff natures going on. I will buy coureir wards sentrys. I will spawn treants at 15 seconds so I can run them to ancients and camps to stack, I will deny ruins. I don't buy orchid, shadow blade, necrobook, midas. I will buy mek, mask of madness, mijolnir sov, crit, bkb mkb. Blink. I won't show my hero until I see all enemy heroes on the map. Then I will move into a lane, push. I will constantly snipe couriers, clean up kills. Blink and tp scroll out. I never focus on kills. I always focus on out farming or taking objectives. At level 7 I will buy wards and smoke, place wards in my jungle so I don't get ganked. I will smoke my carry and do rosh with him for the extra cash, while everyone is fighting. I either help them, if I can't I've already got 1 set of treants and my mask of madness mijolnir pushing, then I spawn another set and tp to another lane (sometimes I even get 2 teir 2 towers in 1 team fight) I pretty much do everything possible to just win the game. I've won so many games just buy out farming. I beat 1 game because their carry SF was farming on his own. I tp in, hex, 3 shot him and that's game over. I'm not saying I'm the best player, we arnt here to talk about my accounts (I don't mind it tho) this was just to talk about mmr boosting, inflation and smurfs. My personal views on it and how it could be abused (some dude with 5 dota's and 5 zeus bots farming smurfs for cash) I'm just putting it out there to talk about this stuff. So when I do get a chance to play dota, I will pick a fun hero (magnus natures) I will do stuff people won't expect (level 1 rosh with a PA and ursa) and when I don't play, its for months at a time. So I was upset at first, but I don't blame anything but my ability to not play consistantly as I don't get a chance. That's why my main account is fucked, my smurf is fucked. I'd like to see you guys play 10 games in 5 months. How rusty would you be? I forget to use phase boots on my medusa last time I didn't play for 3months. I bought the boots and just never used them once. That's why I like natures, I can chill. Farm. Buy all the shit so there's no excuse of no wards. I scout with my treants. 1 to pull the creep wave, 2 to check the jungle so if anyone trys ganking me I will spot them and tp out, I try get 6 slotted so in fights I can tp right behind the enemy and kill their supports or I will just take their base and fuck up anyone who tries to 1v1 a natures prophet with a blink, hex, crit mkb, mijolnir. So like I said, I'm not a pro, but I feel I can do better. I'm not some 3k scrub who's crying that I'm 5k. I just feel my friends did it, and that I can do it too when they say that I'm equal to them on skill level. (Also nobody in south africa que's ranked so I always have to que in europe and america and I play with 240-500 ms. Or if I play with my chinese friends then 800ms.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
why do u buy mek if ur not gonna fight lol
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On September 19 2015 09:00 ahswtini wrote:
why do u buy mek if ur not gonna fight lol
You can win games in 20mins if you buy mek on natures and just tp in and help your team, but if the fight is already lost then I will push. I always look at what's happening before I just tp in and help (plus in 3k nobody buys mek or wards for some reason) its pretty good for armor, tankyness (increased my chance to survive) I don't always buy it. But when I do, I always try to help save team mates with it.
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I feel like you're overstating the "problem" of boosted accounts. Sure they're out there, but I've played over a thousand ranked games in the 5,5k+ bracket, and I pretty much never see people who are suspiciously bad. You have to consider that people can naturally fluke, I've had countless games where i was with/agaisnt proffesional players and they thoroughly sucked - it happens to everyone.
Besides, if you only get to play dota as little as you claim, I don't see why you're so invested in increasing your MMR, wouldn't dota just be a more casual/for fun thing for you?.
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I use to play it 24/7 at one stage, I plan to get back into that. When I was 12 till 16 I was playing wc3 24/7 started dota around age 12-13
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Valve can control the smurfs, just make it level 50 and u can't smurf, boosting however is harder to stop. Because you could easily "let your friend play" who happens to be extreemly good and he could boost your account... But smurfs and cheats can be stopped. In warcraft 3 there were anti maphack files you could download to see if anyone fog clicks anything. So techies scriptt writing could be stopped. Or any other programs that could be used, I remember if you que's for that mode where they give you a limited hero pool, and you que europe. The players would all buy crap items, and suicide mid. They all in a party, they don't talk, they don't behave like players, they just suicide mid (and its not low prior) so I think those accounts were for item farming (back when you got random drops from playing) I'm not entirely sure about that part tho
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Only idiots pay for boosting cause as you said it only leads to them being thrown into a shark tank where they will get flamed and reported for the inevitable feeding.
I'm satisfied with mmr in my knowledge that for me, playing past 4.5 k is way too stressful. It's always a back and forth between that and 4.1 k, which is where I think I belong, even with over 2k or even 3 k hours, idk atm.
If you want to go pro, get a team and come to the realization that the team's performance can easily surpass individual performance and is where the real hardships of this game lie. Doesn't matter if you're the super pro mid. If the other team has rotating supports with gap closers/long range stuns and you have no wards you're gonna die or starve on your lane to not die.
Will agree on the fact that I keep running into players who seem boosted/suck big time and don't know how to play in their bracket. You all get the loss of mmr, but the boosted guys also lose their money. Let it sort itself out.
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You can see the power of team play and chemistry by watchingg team Monkey Freedom Fighters vs NaVi. Navi is a ti stack and only have 1 new player. That's why when I watched them play although MFF has great players, they haven't been together long enough and that is why they changed singsing from carry to safelane, why they struggle vs the other teams and why (even though they are 6k players) they struggle to win games. Even if they are better then the other players they will struggle as they are a new team and are still figuring shit out. Like ViCi gaming just shit fucked tongfu with a weaker draft in game 1 because they have players who have all been on the same team before. (Burning ice ice ice super, ice ice ice fy fenrir. So if you find good players and make a team, even if you are all better then your opponents, you can still lose because the enemy played together as a team and just slowly pulled the win over you. (Hense team tinker, started strong kuz only pro team with high players competing, they stomped all the early tournaments, then fell apart as the old teams returned with just 1 or 2 team changes.) Then team tinker slowly broke up, (singsing became support, Qojqva mid.) People leaving the team like Xcalibur. So that's why you can't just be a good player with good players, you need to find the right team that works well together.
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MMR inflation is not a thing for the reason you describe; it's a natural side effect of a larger player base. The average MMR hasn't changed, but there are more players at each MMR level, increasing the variance you see as a player when you play ranked matchmaking.
The amount of average MMR in the system doesn't change; it's a mathematical impossibility given the way that valve calculates their MMR after wins and losses.
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