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On July 04 2015 01:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2015 01:19 joshie0808 wrote:
Competitiveness... not too competitive due to the growing market and different ways you can specialize.
if you're in southern ontario a lot hinges on how hot the economy is in New York. seeing software engineers leave 1 by 1 for NY makes a lot of IT shops season of Survivor. and it forces places to bring in lone wolf gun-slingers like me. and then this allows guys like me to crank up their rates...which in turn forces up salaries of employees. as long as New York stays hot working in southern ontario is a dream come true. there is opportunity in anarchy  i just hope the Canadian dollar keeps on falling.
Ah, good point. I forget how big Canada is and yes, things really do vary from province to province. I'm in Alberta.. lots of oil and gas guys getting laid off, but tech industry still looking good here (so far). Oil seems to be going back up too...
Sounds like things are going well for you! Thats good
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I work tech support during the day and slay newbs on ladder at night. I wish you the best of luck!
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Did you say math?
Teach!
Also, look on the bright side... if you went to college in America, your useless BA would cost 10 times as much...
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I think you should consider a career in professional assassinations. I know you said you didn't like blood, but hear me out; you can use your chemistry background to create poisons that will kill your targets without shedding a drop of blood. Many times, one of the requirements of your job is to "make it look like an accident", and so a bloody demise would be suspicious to the authorities. I also must advise you that this career path, while it is often glamorized in modern cinema, it's actually quite boring. You spend most of your time sitting around and waiting, so it takes some patience. The good part is you won't be tied down to a desk and will get to travel quite a bit. The bad part is that if anyone catches you, they will probably either incarcerate you for the rest of your life, or simply kill you. So don't get caught! gl!
On July 04 2015 04:14 GGzerG wrote:
I work tech support during the day and slay newbs on ladder at night. I wish you the best of luck!
He means he's unemployed and gets owned when he stays up too late at night trying to git gud.
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people ask me how i got into the career path that i am in ...
and i let them know that my hobbies in high school included shoplifting and vandalism.
the little gang i was in ... we'd destroy a few luxury cars in the local shopping mall parking lot and then read the next week's Mississauga News to see if we made it into the paper.
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On July 03 2015 21:28 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 21:08 mooose wrote:
I don't really have a career as such yet so I'm not the kind of person you are looking for. However, here is my opinion anyway. I also graduated with a useless BA (and more than 4x as much debt as you) a few years ago. After that I spent a year doing shitty jobs I hated, and then I managed to get on a Computer Science masters degree course. I now have an MSc in Computer Science and a set of skills that should allow me to get a variety of junior software development type jobs.
What BA did you get that was useless, yet at the same time taught you what you needed to know to get into a Master's course in Computer Science?
The BA was in Philosophy. The MSc course I took was a special 'Conversion Course' for people who had a Bachelor's degree in a subject that isn't relevant to computer science. The requirements were just a Bachelor's degree with a reasonable grade in any subject, and an A level in maths (basically a high school qualification). We took a few basic programming classes as well as other ones with the regular computer science MSc students, and did a dissertation/thesis project at the end just like all the other students. It was very fast paced and quite difficult but I'm very glad I did it.
I'm not sure if they have an equivalent type of course in Germany. There are only a few universities in the UK which do this kind of course, and there were quite a few international students in my class, some of whom said they came to the UK because their own country didn't offer this kind of conversion course.
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I don't know how things are in other nations, but my personal anecdote is that if you decide not to go get your masters, you may find it very difficult to ever go back. Depending on what you're going for, a formula used here is to get your BA, work a few years in your field, go back for masters, and ascend to the job/income that will carry you for life. But a lot can happen while you're just working before you go back. Wife, house, kids, personal strife, career changes, etc. So I guess, whatever you do, just be sure to be very confident in your decision.
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I have a bachelor degree in Hospitality Management (BBA). As such I work as a bar manager in a large international hotel chain (Marriott) in China (I'm European).
The good:
-Noone in this industry lasts if they're not passionate. As such you are working with a team towards the best possible product.
-Again I love fine foods and drinks and I get to work with that daily. As a large luxury hotel other luxury brands are always eager to work with you.
-Working and living all over the world.
The bad:
-This career takes up so much of your time that it's a struggle to maintain a social life on the side.
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On July 04 2015 13:53 B.I.G. wrote:
I have a bachelor degree in Hospitality Management (BBA). As such I work as a bar manager in a large international hotel chain (Marriott) in China (I'm European).
The good:
-Noone in this industry lasts if they're not passionate. As such you are working with a team towards the best possible product.
-Again I love fine foods and drinks and I get to work with that daily. As a large luxury hotel other luxury brands are always eager to work with you.
-Working and living all over the world.
The bad:
-This career takes up so much of your time that it's a struggle to maintain a social life on the side.
Can you elaborate on the duties of a job for someone graduating from hospitality management? - Not OP
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Generally me and the people I graduated with get hired to many different sectors. The overlying factor is that people from my school have very strong people skills combined with good insight and feel for business. As such many of us become sales managers, account managers or recruiters in industries varying from banking to IT to sales in imported decorative stones for gardens (as in: pretty much any industry where people skills come in handy).
For those like me that stick to hospitality there are still plenty of ways to go:
-You could go for a career in finance, such as friends of mine who have become revenue managers, a relatively new field in the hotel industry (basically they focus on pricing strategies with a strong eye on competitor pricing etc.)
-Just like many big companies there is also need for sales, marketing, public relations, and human resource. These are very similar to equivalent departments in other companies so I wont elaborate
-Or like me you could go for the operational side, so for example Rooms division (the people that do check-ins at hotels etc), Housekeeping (cleaning rooms etc.) Kitchen (all the food in the hotel needs to come from somewhere right), or Food & Beverage (basically the service and beverage side of restaurant, bar, room service etc.)
I'm not too familiar with working in any of those other divisions but I do know operations. As you can imagine delivering good service in a big hotel requires quite a lot of planning, coordinating, and teamwork. A career in operations should always start in the trenches, in the bottom ranks. Working your way up the ladder would look something like this (e.g. in a restaurant)
Trainee/intern -> Waiter -> Supervisor/team leader -> Assistant Restaurant Manager -> Restaurant Manager -(and beyond that in a bigger hotel)-> Director of Restaurants ->Assistant F&B Director -> F&B Director.
Generally during your studies you will do 1 or 2 internships. Most of us have also had part time jobs during our before our studies as something like waiter or supervisor. This means that when you graduate and take up a career in operations you will be able to step in on the supervisor/Assistant manager level. The whole process might take up to 10 or 12 years. After you reach that level you start looking into next steps like becoming General Manger of a hotel, or if you work for a large hotel chain something like regional management, concept development etc.
Plenty of options as you can see. Happy to elaborate some more if you would like me to.
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On July 04 2015 11:16 mooose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 21:28 SixStrings wrote:On July 03 2015 21:08 mooose wrote:
I don't really have a career as such yet so I'm not the kind of person you are looking for. However, here is my opinion anyway. I also graduated with a useless BA (and more than 4x as much debt as you) a few years ago. After that I spent a year doing shitty jobs I hated, and then I managed to get on a Computer Science masters degree course. I now have an MSc in Computer Science and a set of skills that should allow me to get a variety of junior software development type jobs.
What BA did you get that was useless, yet at the same time taught you what you needed to know to get into a Master's course in Computer Science? The BA was in Philosophy. The MSc course I took was a special 'Conversion Course' for people who had a Bachelor's degree in a subject that isn't relevant to computer science. The requirements were just a Bachelor's degree with a reasonable grade in any subject, and an A level in maths (basically a high school qualification). We took a few basic programming classes as well as other ones with the regular computer science MSc students, and did a dissertation/thesis project at the end just like all the other students. It was very fast paced and quite difficult but I'm very glad I did it. I'm not sure if they have an equivalent type of course in Germany. There are only a few universities in the UK which do this kind of course, and there were quite a few international students in my class, some of whom said they came to the UK because their own country didn't offer this kind of conversion course.
Thanks, that sounds really interesting.
So many interesting replies, give me a moment to work this out.
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Move to Brazil and become a drug lord or move to Europe and become a pimp. Good money btw and you don't need much.
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M.Sc in Economics, Business Administration and Information Management.
I work as a Business Intelligence Consultant doing a lot with customers/clients helping them scope BI-Solutions. I also do some front-end development in QlikView/Excel/PowerView/Power BI/Tableau.
The field is currently screaming for people with skills. So if you like IT and Business then Business Intelligence is cool. Being German, learning SAP and developing in/for SAP and SAP HANA is probably very useful.
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I'm a researcher for a university and a class lecturer in political science as well as a PhD candidate/student. Why not do engineering though? If you want a job that pays well and where you don't need to be exceptionally book-smart (but you still need to work your ass in school), there are many branches of applied engineering that could be interesting.
If I had wanted an education that'd land me a stable career, it's what I would have done, instead of choosing a field of constant precarity and fear that my contracts will end.
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That's what it'll probably be, I just have to do some in depth research if it's mechanical / electrical or structural.
I'd love to work towards renewable energies at some point, so I have to figure out which is the better path for that.
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I did chemical engineering which might interest you. I went into the academic research side which is less lucrative but you can work for companies like Shell/BP and make some serious bank.
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On July 03 2015 19:31 SixStrings wrote:
Heidelberg, Baden-Württemberg.
@ Chairman Ray:
That sounds really interesting, but since you don't become a cyber security expert over night, the field might be oversaturated once I have the basics down. Still, that's a point in favour of studying software engineering.
Your job sounds balls, by the way.
Vega:
I was asking about how competitive these fields are not because I want to slack off or assume I'll suck at my job, but because I'm basically eight years older than people I would be studying with, which is a rather large handycap.
Another point for software engineering.
For the foreseeable future, the software engineering industry is not going to be at all oversaturated. Demand has only been going up. The pay is ludicrous in comparison to other industries. The entry requirements are rather low for non-enterprise positions, and catching up to the baseline can be done in a year of work. And the majority of positions don't actually care that much about your previous occupations if you're a good programmer and hard worker. This is mainly based on the States though.
Cyber-security is slightly different and requires more formal education usually, or a lots of learning.
Problem is it's a bit harder to move around. Benefit is you can find a job in almost any city if you have the skills or want that kind of position.
source: I'm a software engineer
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Thanks Blisse!
Although on an abstract level, software engineering sounds like a dream come true, on a very superficial level it involves what I don't really want to do: sitting in front of a computer 100% of the time. It also seems like something that could increasingly be online, which puts me in direct competition with hundreds of millions of Chinese and Indian software engineers.
I also have to think a bit more Euro-centric. Whilst in Silicon Valley software guys seem to be gods, I think in less technologically advanced countries it's much more difficult to land a job.
I'd love to move to the USA (or, better yet, Mexico or Canada) some day, but immigration seems rather difficult.
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What career do you have?
What exactly do you love - like - dislike about it?
How competitive do you think your field is?
Artist multi media platform.
I love it all, I hate it all. Having ideas, showing them to people, seeing it a year later done with success by someone else.
Most competitive battlefield if one discards the politics field.
I also re-transcript / translate / edit / shoot / direct commercial/marketing 's hit' to feed my kids and sometimes myself. I am in no hurry to get my drawings/scripts/etc into the mainstream, I'll wait for said kids to stop leeching all my time <3
On topic: Pursue your studies, coming back is hard, only canadians or scandinavians manage it because their system allows for it. In the old europe, they consider you a drop out and life takes a turn for the bleak (while it shouldn't and you can overcome the obstacles, "they" make it hard enough to disparage many, simply put it is not good). 
Edit: Cheer up .. at least you are not old like me 
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On July 06 2015 03:39 SixStrings wrote:
That's what it'll probably be, I just have to do some in depth research if it's mechanical / electrical or structural.
I'd love to work towards renewable energies at some point, so I have to figure out which is the better path for that.
i wouldnt do that. don't drink the german coolaid of: "we save the world with energiewende" and china is also building it!!!111
there is a lot of propaganda to straight up lies going around in Germany b/c a lot of ppl in media and politics want it to look good, but it really isn't. EEG is close to burning money.
you can't betray physics.
if you really want to combine "saving the planet" and engineering, then help building ITER. (or similar)
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