• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:09
CET 12:09
KST 20:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced
Tourneys
StarCraft2.fi 15th Anniversary Cup RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Tenacious Turtle Tussle 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 1 - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV The 2048 Game Path of Exile Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
How Sleep Deprivation Affect…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1122 users

Medivacs are Idiotic

Blogs > YokoKano
Post a Reply
YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
April 05 2015 05:55 GMT
#1
Medivacs lower the IQ of Starcraft II by 40 points. While some theorycrafters suggested Battlecruisers able to deploy bunkers or BW ZvZ maps with Scourge on concentric patrol rings to prevent the inevitable Mutalisk shenanigans, no one suggested Medics needed to be anything else.

The original Medic was clever, one might even say sublime, in counter-intuitive and witty ways that laid to rest any doubt about its place in Brood War. There were times when we were unhappy with it. It seemed tragic for ~10 Sunken Colonies to die to a +1 Medic timing. On the other hand, there were moments of shear brilliance, a Barracks hovering over Medics on the ramp, times when walls held tough Dark Templar timings.

There were even tragi-comic scenarios like the 37 kill Firebat on Gaema Gowon, a WCG showdown between Boxer and Mondragon that could only end in tears. But all good things must come to an end.

Medivacs have replaced Medics, and the kind of sticky stasis tricks like Medic walls and Marine tango have given way to balls. There were some uncouth occurrences in Brood War, like the piquancy of Zero's Queens spawning Broodlings from 6! of Bisu's High Templar, but these singular events had a sort of dynamic charge of their own. In short, there was not good reason to remove Academy Medics.

But now we have what we have. Medivacs are dynamic enough to both ferry and heal. It makes me want to play Zerg and do nothing other than Nydus Infestor Queen rush Protosses all day (NIQ is actually a pretty funny strategy when the Infestors have enough energy to force fights).

Healing and flying transport are just one more of those dichotomies not unlike Warp Gates and Protoss ground that misstate the case when designers take a dualistic approach. The truth is you can't always use ad hoc reasoning to plug gaps. Sometimes you've got to take a two squares approach to error.

**
IQ 155.905638752
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 05 2015 07:21 GMT
#2
Wanna play some Brood War?
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
April 05 2015 07:48 GMT
#3
Not really. I have dedicated tonight to my demon hunter.
IQ 155.905638752
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 05 2015 08:34 GMT
#4
I meant some time, it doesn't have to be now.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
April 05 2015 09:51 GMT
#5
I've always thought ever since Sc2 came out that Medivacs were such a stupid almagamation of 2 units that served their purpose very well.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45149 Posts
April 05 2015 14:19 GMT
#6
Where does it hurt?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 05 2015 15:21 GMT
#7
On April 05 2015 14:55 YokoKano wrote:
Medivacs lower the IQ of Starcraft II by 40 points. While some theorycrafters suggested Battlecruisers able to deploy bunkers or BW ZvZ maps with Scourge on concentric patrol rings to prevent the inevitable Mutalisk shenanigans, no one suggested Medics needed to be anything else.

Please provide evidence if you want to make that claim!

On April 05 2015 14:55 YokoKano wrote:
The original Medic was clever, one might even say sublime, in counter-intuitive and witty ways that laid to rest any doubt about its place in Brood War. There were times when we were unhappy with it. It seemed tragic for ~10 Sunken Colonies to die to a +1 Medic timing. On the other hand, there were moments of shear brilliance, a Barracks hovering over Medics on the ramp, times when walls held tough Dark Templar timings.

yes, I agree. Original medic was great to use but ~10 sunkens? What game are you thinking of? It's likely that at that point, the terran has a gazillion marines unless its something like a 5 rax +1 all in but 10 sunkens is quite a bit to be broken through and not that common (5-6 is more common nowadays).

On April 05 2015 14:55 YokoKano wrote:
There were even tragi-comic scenarios like the 37 kill Firebat on Gaema Gowon, a WCG showdown between Boxer and Mondragon that could only end in tears. But all good things must come to an end.

Medivacs have replaced Medics, and the kind of sticky stasis tricks like Medic walls and Marine tango have given way to balls. There were some uncouth occurrences in Brood War, like the piquancy of Zero's Queens spawning Broodlings from 6! of Bisu's High Templar, but these singular events had a sort of dynamic charge of their own. In short, there was not good reason to remove Academy Medics.

But now we have what we have. Medivacs are dynamic enough to both ferry and heal. It makes me want to play Zerg and do nothing other than Nydus Infestor Queen rush Protosses all day (NIQ is actually a pretty funny strategy when the Infestors have enough energy to force fights).

Healing and flying transport are just one more of those dichotomies not unlike Warp Gates and Protoss ground that misstate the case when designers take a dualistic approach. The truth is you can't always use ad hoc reasoning to plug gaps. Sometimes you've got to take a two squares approach to error.

yes, I don't agree with medivacs. Mostly because I feel that they make drops that much more powerful and with boost, can easily negate drop defense which are static. I would've prefer that medics were still in the game because there were a lot more micro potential available and its enjoyable all around. You can pretty much say the same thing about vultures vs hellions and why firebats+vulture was much better than a hellion.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9163 Posts
April 05 2015 16:22 GMT
#8
On April 05 2015 14:55 YokoKano wrote:
The truth is you can't always use ad hoc reasoning to plug gaps..


You might want to read that sentence again in the context of your blogs.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
April 05 2015 17:00 GMT
#9
Medivacs, with their boost, causes drop plays, which are supposed to be risky, to be not risky. It's fast enough to come back home in time, and it can boost out of most dangers.
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
April 05 2015 17:16 GMT
#10
5 years later, lets complain about medivacs :D
"Right on" - Morrow
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
April 05 2015 22:47 GMT
#11
Medic was so good unit, that nowadays I only see mec terrans when i watch brood war Ts.
The Medivac is atleast used.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 06 2015 02:36 GMT
#12
On April 06 2015 07:47 Clonester wrote:
Medic was so good unit, that nowadays I only see mec terrans when i watch brood war Ts.
The Medivac is atleast used.

What brood war terrans are you watching that don't go for medics? Sea, Hiya, Last etc... all go for MnM+tank and then (possibly unless they go SK Terran or biomech) do a mech switch.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
April 06 2015 06:42 GMT
#13
Nice blog Yoko, actually really liked this one. I really miss the skillful things that units like Medivacs provided StarCraft : BW that SC2 doesn't have a shred of, the things you described are why I love BW and miss it to death, now I want to play BW. The way you word things revives my passion. 5/5

#Revival
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10251 Posts
April 06 2015 07:22 GMT
#14
On April 06 2015 07:47 Clonester wrote:
Medic was so good unit, that nowadays I only see mec terrans when i watch brood war Ts.
The Medivac is atleast used.

you're probably seeing the late game where TvZ meta has evolved into bio+tank+vessel comps that transition into pure tank/vulture play later with vessel support.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
April 06 2015 12:42 GMT
#15
On April 06 2015 07:47 Clonester wrote:
Medic was so good unit, that nowadays I only see mec terrans when i watch brood war Ts.
The Medivac is atleast used.


Lol

You sure know what you're talking about
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
WardiTV Mondays #64
CranKy Ducklings177
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3443
Rain 2559
Hyuk 2537
GuemChi 1629
Horang2 928
Jaedong 502
Stork 489
actioN 420
BeSt 275
Hyun 224
[ Show more ]
Larva 202
ZerO 167
firebathero 167
Sharp 159
Free 143
EffOrt 134
Pusan 132
Zeus 125
Rush 114
Mini 95
Light 92
hero 72
Shuttle 69
Snow 68
ggaemo 61
910 51
Aegong 35
Mong 33
zelot 30
JYJ 27
Movie 27
soO 21
GoRush 19
Shine 17
Bale 17
ajuk12(nOOB) 16
Noble 6
Icarus 6
Dota 2
singsing1778
XcaliburYe125
League of Legends
C9.Mang0351
JimRising 342
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1963
shoxiejesuss864
allub313
x6flipin8
Super Smash Bros
Westballz24
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor145
Other Games
B2W.Neo422
Sick320
crisheroes168
Mew2King78
XaKoH 77
Livibee56
ZerO(Twitch)16
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2128
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
51m
Monday Night Weeklies
5h 51m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
22h 51m
OSC
2 days
YoungYakov vs Mixu
ForJumy vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
SC Evo League
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
BSL 21
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.