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Why I'm going to cheese every game

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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 21:56:25
November 17 2014 21:51 GMT
#1
Hi,

My name is DinoMight. I'm currently a Diamond Protoss (1x Master!). I am not a professional gamer. My livelihood does not depend on consistently performing well in WCS or any other tournament setting. I do not need to earn any prize money, and there is no reward in victory other than the tears of the opponents I crush and the satisfaction of knowing that I clicked some buttons harder better faster stronger than they did.

Yet I am a hopeless tryhard. I try to play the game as correctly as possible. I tell myself things like: "Rain" would never put a cannon here, that's 150 wasted minerals. He'd have proper map awareness and know to partition units off to defend the drop in time."

And then I die to drops. Evidently I am not Rain. And neither are you! (unless you are actually Rain in which case: 어떻게 내가 당신의 큰 팬이에요 사람의 몫이다!!!)

But this is really frustrating.

I tell myself that I need to practice my PvT (what, with a 15% win rate this season you bet I need to).. but.. do I really need to PRACTICE? Practice? That sounds like an odd word to use.

Part of why "having to practice" is so frustrating is the realization that I am so heavily committed to being good at this game that it's beginning to take the fun out of it. Ladder games feel like work. Losing to Terran feels like being repeatedly punched in the balls. Losing to Protoss feels like having your chair pulled out from under you, falling to the ground, and then being punched in the balls. Losing to Zerg is basically the same, but they take the time to remind you just how pathetic you are for choosing Protoss while punching you in said balls.

When I first started playing I would do the dumbest strategies. 1 base Mothership rushes. Colossus drops (in WoL, bitches, before "hipster Classic" brought it back). 2 base Carrier rushes. And they wouldn't always work. But I'd either win in ridiculous games or lose laughing my ass off. These days I win and wipe the sweat off my face or lose yelling and smashing my fist on my desk.

So today I decided I'm going to cheese. All the time. Every game.

Does cheese have a high chance of winning against someone who's not prepared for it? Yes. Are their tears tasty and yummy? Almost certainly. Do I care if I lose while trying to cheese? Not in the least bit. In fact, sometimes I laugh at my own cheese because of how stupid it is.

Seriously, think about it. What are the drawbacks?

-I will never learn to properly play the game
-I won't develop real skill
-None of my builds are viable at the professional level
-I risk becoming too predictable to the point where my opponents can prepare for me

To which I would respond:

My name is DinoMight. I'm currently a Diamond Protoss (1x Master!). I am not a professional gamer. My livelihood does not depend on consistently performing well in WCS or any other tournament setting. I do not need to earn any prize money, and there is no reward in victory other than the tears of the opponents I crush and the satisfaction of knowing that I clicked some buttons harder better faster stronger than they did.


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LOL CHEESE



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"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Foblos
Profile Joined September 2011
United States426 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 22:18:39
November 17 2014 22:06 GMT
#2
10/10
You convinced me to go dt rush a game real fast


I won. It was really fun
20/10
But at what cost ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 17 2014 22:10 GMT
#3
This blog is exactly why I alternate between macro protoss (which I'm better at) and non-protoss cheese
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Phizzik
Profile Joined November 2010
United States77 Posts
November 17 2014 22:15 GMT
#4
I suddenly have an urge for a grilled cheese sandwich.

Oh - and you should probably read the new TL Strategy post :p
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 17 2014 22:25 GMT
#5
On November 18 2014 07:15 Phizzik wrote:
I suddenly have an urge for a grilled cheese sandwich.

Oh - and you should probably read the new TL Strategy post :p

Believe me, he definitely read that
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 17 2014 22:26 GMT
#6
You could have just said "because it's funny as hell", cause that's why most people do it.
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
November 17 2014 22:27 GMT
#7
On November 18 2014 07:25 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2014 07:15 Phizzik wrote:
I suddenly have an urge for a grilled cheese sandwich.

Oh - and you should probably read the new TL Strategy post :p

Believe me, he definitely read that


LOL. Yeah I did.

It's a shame I was so dead set on macroing despite the maps :p But my 15% win rate against Terran is telling my I should probably cheese more.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
November 17 2014 22:30 GMT
#8
Speaking of cheesing every game reminds me of how amusing Gheed's blog posts were.
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
November 17 2014 22:54 GMT
#9
IMO Cheesing is very misleading. There is only 2 win conditions in Starcraft 2, either by having no other players left on the opposing team, or by eliminating all of your enemy team's buildings. When talking about "skill", it's implied that the game goes into a macro state and large armies are in control. I don't think this should be correct at all, but rather all parts of the game should be considered equal. Late game army control should be worth no more than your ability to execute a cannon rush or a proxy 2 gate. As long as the plan produces the goal, it should be considered skill

/rant

5/5
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
November 17 2014 23:11 GMT
#10
On November 18 2014 07:54 Jer99 wrote:
IMO Cheesing is very misleading. There is only 2 win conditions in Starcraft 2, either by having no other players left on the opposing team, or by eliminating all of your enemy team's buildings. When talking about "skill", it's implied that the game goes into a macro state and large armies are in control. I don't think this should be correct at all, but rather all parts of the game should be considered equal. Late game army control should be worth no more than your ability to execute a cannon rush or a proxy 2 gate. As long as the plan produces the goal, it should be considered skill

/rant

5/5



This soo much, also helps with unit control.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
November 17 2014 23:26 GMT
#11
You don't have to make a blog to cheese every game, you just do it.

On November 18 2014 06:51 DinoMight wrote:
PRACTICE? Practice?


"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 23:41:01
November 17 2014 23:40 GMT
#12
DinoMight, the best times I've ever had on SC2's ladder are the times when I've decided to do exactly this :D

I got chewed out 4 times in the last 6 games of SC2 I played for doing early game aggression, also known as cheese. Because Blizzard's system puts me back in platinum every season, and so I am obligated every season to maintain my e-peen by re-reaching diamond for the umpteenth time in a row (since Masters was fun the few times I did it, but now takes far too much work). And so I don't necessarily cheese, but I play aggressively and with style. But really, I'm cheesing, who am I kidding xD and the best part is, when I get chewed out after I cheese someone, it feels good - whereas if I get chewed out after winning or losing via standard play, it hurts me inside. And so, from an emotional standpoint, there's no reason not to cheese.

I hope you have a lot of fun cheesing. And I hope I never play you while you're on your cheesing rampage, either. Unless I'm also on a cheesing rampage, and then we'll see which cheeser's cheese is cheesiest. But really, gl hf and enjoy those nerd tears.


wongfeihung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States763 Posts
November 17 2014 23:51 GMT
#13
Pretty sure I've played against OP recently.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5624 Posts
November 18 2014 00:16 GMT
#14
Amen, brother. Cheesing is fun to execute, defend against and watch.

5/5
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 18 2014 00:40 GMT
#15
On November 18 2014 09:16 rotta wrote:
Amen, brother. Cheesing is fun to execute, defend against and watch.

5/5

Especially when it's a 1 base battlecruiser rush. You should really try it :D
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 18 2014 00:42 GMT
#16
On November 18 2014 09:40 The_Templar wrote:
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On November 18 2014 09:16 rotta wrote:
Amen, brother. Cheesing is fun to execute, defend against and watch.

5/5

Especially when it's a 1 base battlecruiser rush. You should really try it :D

Oh sure, my jokes are getting old but your 1 base BC thing is still funny :/
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46209 Posts
November 18 2014 02:05 GMT
#17
5/5 for not givin a fuuuuck. #tastytears
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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
November 18 2014 02:25 GMT
#18
Yeah, cheese is great. It took me a long time to understand the power of the cheddar. I also tried playing "the right way" for quite some time, until I realized that I'm too slow for that. Since I've been mixing it up, laddering is much more fun.

Great blog.
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9179 Posts
November 18 2014 03:27 GMT
#19
On November 18 2014 07:54 Jer99 wrote:
IMO Cheesing is very misleading. There is only 2 win conditions in Starcraft 2, either by having no other players left on the opposing team, or by eliminating all of your enemy team's buildings. When talking about "skill", it's implied that the game goes into a macro state and large armies are in control. I don't think this should be correct at all, but rather all parts of the game should be considered equal. Late game army control should be worth no more than your ability to execute a cannon rush or a proxy 2 gate. As long as the plan produces the goal, it should be considered skill

/rant

5/5


this can be expressed way more simply:

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Dan26
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia239 Posts
November 18 2014 04:27 GMT
#20
Love it, read this after posting a big rant on this topic: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/471365-dealing-with-losingwinning-and-emotions

While I like this attitude of "Fuck it, I'm gonna play to win and I don't care how I do it so... lets cheese the shit out of the ladder"

This I love, it's a great mental switch especially when you're too ignorant or lazy to actually address the issues of your normal play, it's a nice relief just to DICK AROUND.

But hey that's why we play right? For fun. But at the end of the day, if your goal is to get to masters, you can easily improve by simply having the right attitude and quit whinging over a w/l ratio. That being said, well practiced and matured cheese is good to have up your sleeve as an aspiring masters player. But don't forget to come back from this and address weaknesses in your play (if Masters is your goal of course, if not, languish in Diamond for all I care)

Which is why if you read my post linked above, that it's important, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE STATED, to KNOW WHAT YOUR END GOAL IS. Begin with the end in mind.

/rant

Love the OP 10/10
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