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Ehzera
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
Singapore212 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 16:02:32
October 18 2014 12:46 GMT
#1
Edited cos shit's irrelevant now


*****
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 18 2014 13:15 GMT
#2
Some possible positives to working in the restaurant business that help offset the financials:
- tips (depends on the establishment and social customs)
- "free" food (probably in the range of 100-200/month)
- flexible hours, might allow you to pick up extra shifts if money is in fact that tight.

I sincerely believe that you should not work to be happy afterwards. You should be happy to work and enjoy life as much as possible every day. If you have to skate by financially but you love what you do, who has the right to tell you you are living wrong? One of the big reasons people are emphasizing college these days is that previous generations couldnt attend higher education so the culture has shifted to giving the younger generation "more" opportunities. At the same time they have been cut off from "demeaning" work because they can/should aspire to bigger and better things. If you love to cook and are willing to take a gamble on your business skills, opening your own establishment is one of the only ways to get rich as a chef, at least in the shorter term.

I hope things work out for you. Sounds like you know what you want.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-18 15:02:20
October 18 2014 14:59 GMT
#3
On October 18 2014 21:46 Ehzera wrote:
I left junior college around July because it felt that the way things were there, college life wouldn't be for me. I was bored and sad all the time, and the only reason I would go to school was to attend rugby training and to see my teammates.

I wasn't too sure about what I was going to do next, but I decided quickly - I would enroll in a culinary school. I have a passion for cooking, and while it may not translate into a passion for working in a professional kitchen, I believe I'll enjoy the grueling hours anyway. The only drawback would be that I'm giving up my chance at a proper degree, and all I'll have academically is some low-level secondary school certificate. This feeling kinda sucks especially since I'm from Singapore and there, like anywhere else I think, is a huge emphasis on going to college. For my whole life I've been led to believe that the only correct path is the path to university, and now that I've gone off that path... I feel unsure about the future for the first time.

To be honest I should've really considered what being a cook/chef would mean financially, because I've been brought up in a culture that places lots of emphasis on monetary success. Lately I've been looking through the classifieds just to get a feel for what cooks here earn. It isn't a lot, it looks like it's just barely enough to cover the necessities at ~2k/month in Singapore. Now, compared to a white collar job like teaching, which I think is considered one of the white collar jobs that pays lesser, ~2k/month is not even close to the 3k starting pay for teachers here. I can't really articulate how stressed out I feel about this, because yes, I do want to continue down this path because I know I'll enjoy it, but it's going to be such a tough life financially. It's only because of the salary and the fear that I'll be looked down upon that makes me second guess myself, but that's something silly I'll have to get over I guess...



I am almost in the same situation like yours now. In less than a month, I am going to face the As and will probably go for some science subject in university. However, I know that science graduates do not get much job opportunities (A*STAR/NEA... thats all) and I would most likely have to go overseas for higher paying jobs.

Singapore is not a place for anyone who cannot get straight A in everything they do. Foreign talents are snatching all our high paying job and leaving us with middle income jobs, yet our government do not find a flaw in this system. The notion of 'excellence in everything' is so flawed. You could probably use your one hand to count all the successful people in their field.

White collar jobs are the most dangerous in fact. Due to singapore's erratic focus on industries, there is so much constant shift on what is high paying. Just a few years ago, construction would make you millions. Now, financial is king and all construction companies are slowly phasing out as singapore starts to employ foreign construction businesses. Soon, the financial industry will topple and something else will rise.

This is just the way singapore works. I am not planning to stay here any longer, so good luck to whatever you do.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
October 18 2014 15:56 GMT
#4
Skills & drive are what will always get you places in the world. The problem with the over-emphasis on "academics" in the modern world is that we've badly undermined the actual value of those degrees. So, build your skills, find something you're good at & willing do work at on a bad day (it's more important to not hate a job on a bad day than to love a job on the good days), save your money and live below your means.

It's how generations of people have *actually* gotten ahead in life. Good luck.
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
October 18 2014 16:46 GMT
#5
A degree is mostly just a certificate of indenture
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dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6181 Posts
October 18 2014 17:20 GMT
#6
How did your parents take your decision?
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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3323 Posts
October 18 2014 19:00 GMT
#7
On October 19 2014 01:46 bookwyrm wrote:
A degree is mostly just a certificate of indenture

This is a beautiful way to put it. Obviously not all degrees can fit into this defintion such as a Medical degree because you are 'getting hours' towards your career but many degrees do lead to a 'certificate of indenture'.

If anyone knows how a trade works, then its very similar. You work hard and try and get indentured by a company. Now you are a 1st year apprentice. If your lucky, you stay with this company until your a 2nd year. After 2nd year it just gets easier and easier to find jobs and get work till your a Journeyman. Getting that 1st year hours or getting indentured can take a lot of work. You can actually choose a trade that is over saturated depending on your location/industry.

I find that a lot of degrees are like ending up as a 1st year trades person. A lot of companies want experience (2nd year +) and sometimes its hard for that new grad to just get into the door or some jobs will hire them as interms and not pay them good or at all just like trades person working in their field and not getting hours or indentured.
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9153 Posts
October 18 2014 19:34 GMT
#8
interesting. your food blogs better pick up.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
October 18 2014 19:54 GMT
#9
Starting salaries for cooks are pretty low, but it's a trade that is in high demand virtually everywhere, and there is virtually no cap on the earnings you can achieve if it's something you're really into, and are good at. It's a very straightforward progression into self-employment / own business too, if that's your cup of tea.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-18 20:35:01
October 18 2014 20:31 GMT
#10
If you enjoy it and learn to get by with 2k you can laugh at the people who are miserable everyday when if they were to mock you.

But seriously, don't let anyone control your happiness.
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REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
October 18 2014 22:38 GMT
#11
I wish you the very best in becoming new Jamie Oliver mate!

I really admire people that chose to follow their passion rather than going with the route "I think this is the easier way for me to make something out of myself in life." Something I will never have enough balls to do. 5 stars
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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
October 19 2014 02:28 GMT
#12
On October 18 2014 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Some possible positives to working in the restaurant business that help offset the financials:
- tips (depends on the establishment and social customs)
- "free" food (probably in the range of 100-200/month)
- flexible hours, might allow you to pick up extra shifts if money is in fact that tight.

I sincerely believe that you should not work to be happy afterwards. You should be happy to work and enjoy life as much as possible every day. If you have to skate by financially but you love what you do, who has the right to tell you you are living wrong? One of the big reasons people are emphasizing college these days is that previous generations couldnt attend higher education so the culture has shifted to giving the younger generation "more" opportunities. At the same time they have been cut off from "demeaning" work because they can/should aspire to bigger and better things. If you love to cook and are willing to take a gamble on your business skills, opening your own establishment is one of the only ways to get rich as a chef, at least in the shorter term.

I hope things work out for you. Sounds like you know what you want.

Errr Singapore doesn't have a tipping system. All restaurants charge you a 10% service charge, but it goes to the restaurant not the workers.

Not trying to scare OP, but I shall give a pragmatic view. It is very possible for a chef in Singapore to earn big, but only by working in upper-class fine dining establishments. However, the reality is that most chefs in Singapore, especially those who work in casual restaurants, are stuck in dead-end jobs with little possibility of advancement.
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
October 19 2014 02:34 GMT
#13
Good Luck ehzera! worse comes to worse we just get played to play DS!
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 19 2014 02:37 GMT
#14
On October 19 2014 11:28 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Some possible positives to working in the restaurant business that help offset the financials:
- tips (depends on the establishment and social customs)
- "free" food (probably in the range of 100-200/month)
- flexible hours, might allow you to pick up extra shifts if money is in fact that tight.

I sincerely believe that you should not work to be happy afterwards. You should be happy to work and enjoy life as much as possible every day. If you have to skate by financially but you love what you do, who has the right to tell you you are living wrong? One of the big reasons people are emphasizing college these days is that previous generations couldnt attend higher education so the culture has shifted to giving the younger generation "more" opportunities. At the same time they have been cut off from "demeaning" work because they can/should aspire to bigger and better things. If you love to cook and are willing to take a gamble on your business skills, opening your own establishment is one of the only ways to get rich as a chef, at least in the shorter term.

I hope things work out for you. Sounds like you know what you want.

Errr Singapore doesn't have a tipping system. All restaurants charge you a 10% service charge, but it goes to the restaurant not the workers.

Not trying to scare OP, but I shall give a pragmatic view. It is very possible for a chef in Singapore to earn big, but only by working in upper-class fine dining establishments. However, the reality is that most chefs in Singapore, especially those who work in casual restaurants, are stuck in dead-end jobs with little possibility of advancement.

i was worried about that but did not know what the norm was for singapore. Thanks for clarifying. Still, "free" food is still on the table isnt it? It may sound trivial but considering OP is the chef, that could have a pretty significant impact, no?
Ehzera
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
Singapore212 Posts
October 19 2014 04:22 GMT
#15
On October 18 2014 23:59 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 21:46 Ehzera wrote:
I left junior college around July because it felt that the way things were there, college life wouldn't be for me. I was bored and sad all the time, and the only reason I would go to school was to attend rugby training and to see my teammates.

I wasn't too sure about what I was going to do next, but I decided quickly - I would enroll in a culinary school. I have a passion for cooking, and while it may not translate into a passion for working in a professional kitchen, I believe I'll enjoy the grueling hours anyway. The only drawback would be that I'm giving up my chance at a proper degree, and all I'll have academically is some low-level secondary school certificate. This feeling kinda sucks especially since I'm from Singapore and there, like anywhere else I think, is a huge emphasis on going to college. For my whole life I've been led to believe that the only correct path is the path to university, and now that I've gone off that path... I feel unsure about the future for the first time.

To be honest I should've really considered what being a cook/chef would mean financially, because I've been brought up in a culture that places lots of emphasis on monetary success. Lately I've been looking through the classifieds just to get a feel for what cooks here earn. It isn't a lot, it looks like it's just barely enough to cover the necessities at ~2k/month in Singapore. Now, compared to a white collar job like teaching, which I think is considered one of the white collar jobs that pays lesser, ~2k/month is not even close to the 3k starting pay for teachers here. I can't really articulate how stressed out I feel about this, because yes, I do want to continue down this path because I know I'll enjoy it, but it's going to be such a tough life financially. It's only because of the salary and the fear that I'll be looked down upon that makes me second guess myself, but that's something silly I'll have to get over I guess...



I am almost in the same situation like yours now. In less than a month, I am going to face the As and will probably go for some science subject in university. However, I know that science graduates do not get much job opportunities (A*STAR/NEA... thats all) and I would most likely have to go overseas for higher paying jobs.

Singapore is not a place for anyone who cannot get straight A in everything they do. Foreign talents are snatching all our high paying job and leaving us with middle income jobs, yet our government do not find a flaw in this system. The notion of 'excellence in everything' is so flawed. You could probably use your one hand to count all the successful people in their field.

White collar jobs are the most dangerous in fact. Due to singapore's erratic focus on industries, there is so much constant shift on what is high paying. Just a few years ago, construction would make you millions. Now, financial is king and all construction companies are slowly phasing out as singapore starts to employ foreign construction businesses. Soon, the financial industry will topple and something else will rise.

This is just the way singapore works. I am not planning to stay here any longer, so good luck to whatever you do.


Which JC are you in now and are you in the arts or science stream? Where do you plan to go after NS?
“A tree without roots is just a piece of wood.” - Marco Pierre White
Ehzera
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
Singapore212 Posts
October 19 2014 04:26 GMT
#16
On October 19 2014 00:56 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Skills & drive are what will always get you places in the world. The problem with the over-emphasis on "academics" in the modern world is that we've badly undermined the actual value of those degrees. So, build your skills, find something you're good at & willing do work at on a bad day (it's more important to not hate a job on a bad day than to love a job on the good days), save your money and live below your means.

It's how generations of people have *actually* gotten ahead in life. Good luck.


Thanks, I'll keep this in mind and hope my naivete takes me somewhere.

On October 19 2014 02:20 dravernor wrote:
How did your parents take your decision?


Surprisingly supportive.

On October 19 2014 04:34 itsjustatank wrote:
interesting. your food blogs better pick up.


tank pls go

On October 19 2014 07:38 REyeM wrote:
I wish you the very best in becoming new Jamie Oliver mate!

I really admire people that chose to follow their passion rather than going with the route "I think this is the easier way for me to make something out of myself in life." Something I will never have enough balls to do. 5 stars


Thanks for saying this haha, made me feel good.

On October 19 2014 11:28 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Some possible positives to working in the restaurant business that help offset the financials:
- tips (depends on the establishment and social customs)
- "free" food (probably in the range of 100-200/month)
- flexible hours, might allow you to pick up extra shifts if money is in fact that tight.

I sincerely believe that you should not work to be happy afterwards. You should be happy to work and enjoy life as much as possible every day. If you have to skate by financially but you love what you do, who has the right to tell you you are living wrong? One of the big reasons people are emphasizing college these days is that previous generations couldnt attend higher education so the culture has shifted to giving the younger generation "more" opportunities. At the same time they have been cut off from "demeaning" work because they can/should aspire to bigger and better things. If you love to cook and are willing to take a gamble on your business skills, opening your own establishment is one of the only ways to get rich as a chef, at least in the shorter term.

I hope things work out for you. Sounds like you know what you want.

Errr Singapore doesn't have a tipping system. All restaurants charge you a 10% service charge, but it goes to the restaurant not the workers.

Not trying to scare OP, but I shall give a pragmatic view. It is very possible for a chef in Singapore to earn big, but only by working in upper-class fine dining establishments. However, the reality is that most chefs in Singapore, especially those who work in casual restaurants, are stuck in dead-end jobs with little possibility of advancement.


Yeah man I know exactly what you're talking about, hopefully I can find a job at a fancy place like MBS or something and not Jack's Place lol
“A tree without roots is just a piece of wood.” - Marco Pierre White
Ehzera
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
Singapore212 Posts
October 19 2014 04:27 GMT
#17
On October 19 2014 11:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 11:28 Pangpootata wrote:
On October 18 2014 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Some possible positives to working in the restaurant business that help offset the financials:
- tips (depends on the establishment and social customs)
- "free" food (probably in the range of 100-200/month)
- flexible hours, might allow you to pick up extra shifts if money is in fact that tight.

I sincerely believe that you should not work to be happy afterwards. You should be happy to work and enjoy life as much as possible every day. If you have to skate by financially but you love what you do, who has the right to tell you you are living wrong? One of the big reasons people are emphasizing college these days is that previous generations couldnt attend higher education so the culture has shifted to giving the younger generation "more" opportunities. At the same time they have been cut off from "demeaning" work because they can/should aspire to bigger and better things. If you love to cook and are willing to take a gamble on your business skills, opening your own establishment is one of the only ways to get rich as a chef, at least in the shorter term.

I hope things work out for you. Sounds like you know what you want.

Errr Singapore doesn't have a tipping system. All restaurants charge you a 10% service charge, but it goes to the restaurant not the workers.

Not trying to scare OP, but I shall give a pragmatic view. It is very possible for a chef in Singapore to earn big, but only by working in upper-class fine dining establishments. However, the reality is that most chefs in Singapore, especially those who work in casual restaurants, are stuck in dead-end jobs with little possibility of advancement.

i was worried about that but did not know what the norm was for singapore. Thanks for clarifying. Still, "free" food is still on the table isnt it? It may sound trivial but considering OP is the chef, that could have a pretty significant impact, no?


Free food is probably on the table, cos my chef-tutor talked about preparing meals for the staff once
“A tree without roots is just a piece of wood.” - Marco Pierre White
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9153 Posts
October 19 2014 04:35 GMT
#18
i just meant there arent enough food blogs
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
omisa
Profile Joined January 2011
United States494 Posts
October 19 2014 06:09 GMT
#19
Dont become a chef and hope to make good money. You will get paid shit in a kitchen, and theres a good reason for it. There are bragging rights being a chef and women love a man who can cook, but you probably wont make a decent living for a while.

It is not a career to get into if you only want to make money. It is entirely possible to find a position or get yourself to the level where you make some big money, but that usually takes many years and much skill. You become a chef because you love food, the stress and the intensity of the kitchen.
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HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
October 19 2014 08:35 GMT
#20
On October 19 2014 13:22 Ehzera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 23:59 HaruRH wrote:
On October 18 2014 21:46 Ehzera wrote:
I left junior college around July because it felt that the way things were there, college life wouldn't be for me. I was bored and sad all the time, and the only reason I would go to school was to attend rugby training and to see my teammates.

I wasn't too sure about what I was going to do next, but I decided quickly - I would enroll in a culinary school. I have a passion for cooking, and while it may not translate into a passion for working in a professional kitchen, I believe I'll enjoy the grueling hours anyway. The only drawback would be that I'm giving up my chance at a proper degree, and all I'll have academically is some low-level secondary school certificate. This feeling kinda sucks especially since I'm from Singapore and there, like anywhere else I think, is a huge emphasis on going to college. For my whole life I've been led to believe that the only correct path is the path to university, and now that I've gone off that path... I feel unsure about the future for the first time.

To be honest I should've really considered what being a cook/chef would mean financially, because I've been brought up in a culture that places lots of emphasis on monetary success. Lately I've been looking through the classifieds just to get a feel for what cooks here earn. It isn't a lot, it looks like it's just barely enough to cover the necessities at ~2k/month in Singapore. Now, compared to a white collar job like teaching, which I think is considered one of the white collar jobs that pays lesser, ~2k/month is not even close to the 3k starting pay for teachers here. I can't really articulate how stressed out I feel about this, because yes, I do want to continue down this path because I know I'll enjoy it, but it's going to be such a tough life financially. It's only because of the salary and the fear that I'll be looked down upon that makes me second guess myself, but that's something silly I'll have to get over I guess...



I am almost in the same situation like yours now. In less than a month, I am going to face the As and will probably go for some science subject in university. However, I know that science graduates do not get much job opportunities (A*STAR/NEA... thats all) and I would most likely have to go overseas for higher paying jobs.

Singapore is not a place for anyone who cannot get straight A in everything they do. Foreign talents are snatching all our high paying job and leaving us with middle income jobs, yet our government do not find a flaw in this system. The notion of 'excellence in everything' is so flawed. You could probably use your one hand to count all the successful people in their field.

White collar jobs are the most dangerous in fact. Due to singapore's erratic focus on industries, there is so much constant shift on what is high paying. Just a few years ago, construction would make you millions. Now, financial is king and all construction companies are slowly phasing out as singapore starts to employ foreign construction businesses. Soon, the financial industry will topple and something else will rise.

This is just the way singapore works. I am not planning to stay here any longer, so good luck to whatever you do.


Which JC are you in now and are you in the arts or science stream? Where do you plan to go after NS?


science stream. I'm going straight to university after NS.
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