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Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 19:12:15
September 16 2014 19:09 GMT
#21
Broodwar is just a better game.

And it's more difficult, but that's almost secondary to the first point.

You were probably weren't around before SC2 and thus never gave it a fair chance to appreciate it... it truly was a beautiful mistake.

/thread
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11605 Posts
September 17 2014 04:03 GMT
#22
Wait. Are you Ty2? Is this a false flag operation?
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
bartus88
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
September 17 2014 14:39 GMT
#23
I have never seen an SC2 vs BW thread that had a decent discussion and this one is no different. The BW elitist on this site will always blindly hate SC2 for not living up to their expectations and taking their pro scene from them. It is completely understandable they don't like SC2, but they say some really dumb things. Even when their false conceptions are pointed out, their view on the game probably won't change a bit.

When I first started visiting this site, I used to love the BW forums. Even though I didn't play it myself, I read basically every thread. However, two years ago when the Kespa pro's made the switch, that forum turned really sour. Every thread would inevitably turn into an SC2 hate thread. There were countless posts from forum veterans that were blatantly wrong and incredibly stupid. I stopped visiting that sub-forum since then.

The best thing to do OP is to just accept some people will always hate SC2 and to just ignore them. This thread won't change their mind.
Random master race
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 15:26:43
September 17 2014 15:26 GMT
#24
On September 17 2014 23:39 bartus88 wrote:
I have never seen an SC2 vs BW thread that had a decent discussion and this one is no different. The BW elitist on this site will always blindly hate SC2 for not living up to their expectations and taking their pro scene from them. It is completely understandable they don't like SC2, but they say some really dumb things. Even when their false conceptions are pointed out, their view on the game probably won't change a bit.

When I first started visiting this site, I used to love the BW forums. Even though I didn't play it myself, I read basically every thread. However, two years ago when the Kespa pro's made the switch, that forum turned really sour. Every thread would inevitably turn into an SC2 hate thread. There were countless posts from forum veterans that were blatantly wrong and incredibly stupid. I stopped visiting that sub-forum since then.

The best thing to do OP is to just accept some people will always hate SC2 and to just ignore them. This thread won't change their mind.

Did you read the post above yours because you should since it'll clue you in on who the OP likely is?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
bartus88
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 18:23:40
September 17 2014 18:23 GMT
#25
On September 18 2014 00:26 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 23:39 bartus88 wrote:
I have never seen an SC2 vs BW thread that had a decent discussion and this one is no different. The BW elitist on this site will always blindly hate SC2 for not living up to their expectations and taking their pro scene from them. It is completely understandable they don't like SC2, but they say some really dumb things. Even when their false conceptions are pointed out, their view on the game probably won't change a bit.

When I first started visiting this site, I used to love the BW forums. Even though I didn't play it myself, I read basically every thread. However, two years ago when the Kespa pro's made the switch, that forum turned really sour. Every thread would inevitably turn into an SC2 hate thread. There were countless posts from forum veterans that were blatantly wrong and incredibly stupid. I stopped visiting that sub-forum since then.

The best thing to do OP is to just accept some people will always hate SC2 and to just ignore them. This thread won't change their mind.

Did you read the post above yours because you should since it'll clue you in on who the OP likely is?

I have never heard of this Ty2.
Random master race
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 17 2014 20:02 GMT
#26
On September 18 2014 03:23 bartus88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 00:26 BigFan wrote:
On September 17 2014 23:39 bartus88 wrote:
I have never seen an SC2 vs BW thread that had a decent discussion and this one is no different. The BW elitist on this site will always blindly hate SC2 for not living up to their expectations and taking their pro scene from them. It is completely understandable they don't like SC2, but they say some really dumb things. Even when their false conceptions are pointed out, their view on the game probably won't change a bit.

When I first started visiting this site, I used to love the BW forums. Even though I didn't play it myself, I read basically every thread. However, two years ago when the Kespa pro's made the switch, that forum turned really sour. Every thread would inevitably turn into an SC2 hate thread. There were countless posts from forum veterans that were blatantly wrong and incredibly stupid. I stopped visiting that sub-forum since then.

The best thing to do OP is to just accept some people will always hate SC2 and to just ignore them. This thread won't change their mind.

Did you read the post above yours because you should since it'll clue you in on who the OP likely is?

I have never heard of this Ty2.

He was a regular TL member in the BW section though I can't say much for his SCII history since that's where I've seen him mostly post. Anyways, point was that this is likely meant to be a 'catchy' blog for hits seeing as it's missing lots of content and there has been no BW vs SCII discussion in ages. A quote if it helps illustrate my point:
Now that I've played BW, I just keep coming back to it despite its rapidly decreasing user base with a good majority of players brushed away planting their seeds anew in such games like DotA 2, League of Legends, StarCraft 2, and just life in general. It's strange though, because even if I get bored of the game play itself and try to play some other video game to capture my attention, I just keep going back to StarCraft. Once you go to StarCraft, you never go back.


Blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/Ty2
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 20 2014 13:35 GMT
#27
On September 16 2014 04:17 Boonbag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 03:40 Chef wrote:
I think if you ask BW players things they would change in BW they could come up with a laundry list of problems like gas issue, dragoon attack command bug, unit stack glitches (esp on ramps), lack of built in backwards ramps (had to be faked using a special tile editor with existing tiles).

I think that a lot of the more experienced players would not touch unit pathing much if at all, though. Controlling an army carefully that will otherwise act clumsy is one of the enjoyable parts about gameplay. Setting up large scale attacks and managing many different groups is part of the intensity of the game. Maybe if the game were made today all the units would move like schools of fish, as they do in SC2. It would be a much less interesting game for it.

Same with MBS and infinite unit select. You take away decisions the player has to make about what to do with his or her concentration when you automate these functions. You could patch in being able to rally peons to minerals if you wanted, but it would make harass techniques and lots of the interesting concentration-attacking-oriented styles nerfed. Such a change can't make BW better--it just makes it simpler.

I think what bitterness still exists in the community is caused by the same thing it was 2 years ago, which has nothing to do with the games themselves and much more to do with the business surrounding the games. BW fans miss their pro-scene, yo!


new pro scene exists yo

Brood War will probably never be played like this again:



It's definitely cool what the Koreans are doing right now, but the skill level tanks so much without a quality practice environment, coaches and the motivation that comes from a prestigious tournament.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 20 2014 17:50 GMT
#28
On September 20 2014 22:35 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 04:17 Boonbag wrote:
On September 16 2014 03:40 Chef wrote:
I think if you ask BW players things they would change in BW they could come up with a laundry list of problems like gas issue, dragoon attack command bug, unit stack glitches (esp on ramps), lack of built in backwards ramps (had to be faked using a special tile editor with existing tiles).

I think that a lot of the more experienced players would not touch unit pathing much if at all, though. Controlling an army carefully that will otherwise act clumsy is one of the enjoyable parts about gameplay. Setting up large scale attacks and managing many different groups is part of the intensity of the game. Maybe if the game were made today all the units would move like schools of fish, as they do in SC2. It would be a much less interesting game for it.

Same with MBS and infinite unit select. You take away decisions the player has to make about what to do with his or her concentration when you automate these functions. You could patch in being able to rally peons to minerals if you wanted, but it would make harass techniques and lots of the interesting concentration-attacking-oriented styles nerfed. Such a change can't make BW better--it just makes it simpler.

I think what bitterness still exists in the community is caused by the same thing it was 2 years ago, which has nothing to do with the games themselves and much more to do with the business surrounding the games. BW fans miss their pro-scene, yo!


new pro scene exists yo

Brood War will probably never be played like this again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIBYL6QvNLc

It's definitely cool what the Koreans are doing right now, but the skill level tanks so much without a quality practice environment, coaches and the motivation that comes from a prestigious tournament.

Awesome game! All those mini tricks like burrowing zerglings or egg micro. I thought Crazy Hydra actually had that after he beat Fantasy's army at his 5th/6th but man, Fantasy was as beastly with the constant zoning, vulture runbys, multiple attacks routes etc... I do agree with your general comment, that the skill level tanks without the practice environment, coaches and motivation but then, we've had players like Movie say that they play even better than during professional BW due to less stresses so which is it? Maybe it's both? Less stress means better play or maybe more refined play but lower skill level?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
September 21 2014 01:40 GMT
#29
sc2 master = d+ on iccup. I am the living proof.
aka Kalevi
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