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[BR] Teaching a beginner (TvT)

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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 12 2014 23:24 GMT
#1
I'm trying to teach my brother how to play sc2. He played some on his own (and in 2v2s) before I tried teaching him. His first lesson was today, and we discussed how to attack move and macro more effectively. He's a lot better than I thought, so I gave him a little challenge. I specifically challenged him to a TvT where I made no units besides marines and SCVs and played at 50% health. He agreed, and said he would beat me with mass hellions.

I wonder how that went?

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He spawned in the top right of red city and I spawned in the top left. Naturally, I'm a bit nervous about his pledge to go mass hellion, especially as he can build other units. His macro was decent for a complete newbie, so I would have to bust out the special tactics to guarantee a victory here.

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I started out by being Flash with a 14CC. He went for a 1 barracks expand of some sort, with extra gas.

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Refineries not pictured.


His factory and CC started at about the same time. He usually does this sort of build order where he gets a fast starport and doesn't use it until he makes a few banshees and suicides them into your base. Therefore, he's used to a fast factory.

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So, so far this is shaping up to be a pretty normal macro game, at which I have heavily handicapped myself. I will have to macro perfectly and take good engagements if I want to win this totally standard, boring gam-

Wait, what on earth?

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Mwahaha! I'll proxy a base in order to use photon overch- errr.. planetary fortresses..


What a scoundrel I was! I was taking his fear of my play (as he knew I was by far his superior) and
his general lack of scouting to proxy a command center! And at home, I was building an engineering bay!

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The build order of noobs… or in this case, against noobs


Hidden third!

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There's actually no reason for this.


He's bringing in the fury of hell…ions.

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More PFs!!

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I think now you can figure out why I picked Red City of all maps


Now, he was planning on using widow mines to kill large groups of marines. Unfortunately for both of us, he burrowed one right in range of my first PF.

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His thought process: "Must kill marines, must kill- oh what the heck?"


Now, I will give him credit for this: he's pretty good at figuring out what the problem is, and finding a possible solution. He immediately sent multiple marauders and a few hellions to kill my PF.

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Hero SCVs hold, so now he decides to build more units while sniping my SCVs with his many, many hellions. Unfortunately, his hellions are sort of squishy so they die pretty quickly to my PF and 2 bunkers.

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Ring around the rosy, pocket full of posies.. well there will be a lot of ashes soon…


"Enough is enough!" he decides. His bewilderment changes to desperation as he begins to unleash the ultimate weapon!!!

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This would make more sense if Flash did cool stuff like nukes.


Having contained him, I decide to scan his natural and main base to see what he's doing.
First his natural…

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Yes, this is all very legitimate. Mass hellions, no problem here.


Then his main base…

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This is a bit sketchy, actually. There are only two ghost upgrades!!


Oh, nukes. Right. Well, I was nuked and had to give up my position, so I pondered at length what I could do in the face of this nuclear war.

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Hold the line, men!


Meanwhile, he sent lots of hellions to kill repairing workers and damage my 750 health southern PF while he nuked it. He's pretty spot-on with his decision making here, except for suiciding hellions into PFs and not making tanks.

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Those hellions are all going to die.


This game has quite a lot of scans considering there are no tanks.

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Meanwhile, I decide to go for a small poke with 113 marines. 20 instantly die to widow mines.

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Marine split challenge didn't prepare me for this!!


After stim, since I forgot combat shields, my marines all had 12 health, so hellions killed me pretty quickly.

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I do break into his natural expansion, but he manages to hold by pulling workers.

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Hellions are pretty good against marines in small numbers


He actually out-multitasked me for a minute, using the battle as a diversion to nuke my southern PF.

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However, I rebuilt the CC and decided to buy time by going for another marine attack.

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This attack doesn't go particularly well. Even though he's way down in supply and contained on 2 bases, he does have one thing going for him- his units are a lot better. If he had tanks he might even have pushed out. Even though it's hopeless, however, he continues to try everything (except tanks).

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He's like within 10-15 supply of the highest supply he's gotten to all game.


He goes for the base I have taken for him, because I guess I was sort of BM with that OC.

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Meanwhile, he starts scanning, and finds my main for the first time all game!!

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I bet he was proud of that.


He tries to nuke my central platform, but I've prepared for this moment with marines in bunkers.

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I decide to go for an attack, you know, to trade armies and prevent him from reaching critical mass.

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49 supply in exchange for 6, pretty good trade for me.


I try to take his third again and, this time, defend it with marines.

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Here come the hellions!

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Not again…


Ok, I will admit this is slightly harder than I thought. Also much more bloody.

He tries to use ghosts to kill my leftover marines, as I reinforced and defended, but I scanned and killed the ghosts. However, I had overextended and those marines died pretty badly.

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He finally breaks a small part of my epic contain and immediately takes a third base. Comeback incoming?

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Nope. At least, not yet.


He now wages war on the western section of my contain using nukes! My marines are out of position so I defend using scans…

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Repair!!!


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Repair!!! I must make him use as many nukes as possible!


The third nuke landed, which killed my SCVs, as I was trying to get enough health to survive this nuke, and I succeeded!!

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Unfortunately, the PF had 6 health and died nearly immediately after the nuke landed.



A bit later, I went for another marine push. He's been whittled down at this point despite his best efforts to break the contain and doesn't have enough hellions to hold this time.

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"Quick," he thinks to himself, "I must do something, and all I have right now is this ghost. I know, I'll EMP all the marines!"

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He is definitely related to me.


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He pulls all of his workers and a few more hellions and somehow manages to hold.

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Why on earth didn't I research combat shields??


He knows at this point that he is finally pretty dead and decides to go for one last attack. He pulls all of his workers, brings all of his units, and throws one last attack at me.

Unfortunately, he doesn't have any units.

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GG


He played a lot better than I expected. His decision making was pretty good considering he's barely ever played and he actually made units the whole game, only ever accumulating a few thousand minerals and gas. His main two problems in this game were his hellion suicides into my PFs and his lack of tanks. If he had done those, he might have even won.

I'll be teaching him more. Watch out for him

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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
June 13 2014 00:12 GMT
#2
Don't teach someone how to play when you clearly don't know what you yourself has to do
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 13 2014 00:17 GMT
#3
On June 13 2014 09:12 Seeker wrote:
Don't teach someone how to play when you clearly don't know what you yourself has to do

I know more than I let on in that game, of course
I'm mostly teaching him how to macro (and yes, I macro horribly in the game, because I made just marines instead of spending based on what I had and what I wanted) and micro, he's pretty smart in other areas compared to those.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 13 2014 00:22 GMT
#4
you should ask scarlett for tips
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 13 2014 01:03 GMT
#5
On June 13 2014 09:12 Seeker wrote:
Don't teach someone how to play when you clearly don't know what you yourself has to do

wow super BM coming from a guy who lost to someone in silver league D:
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Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
June 13 2014 01:08 GMT
#6
I did exactly this kind of thing with my cousin when I used to play, like limiting myself to only build certain units and handicapping myself.

The best thing I remember doing to handicap myself was by building only DTs. That was fun, especially since he sucked with detection lol. He'd lose his whole army in seconds and think he misplaced it haha.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
June 13 2014 01:56 GMT
#7
On June 13 2014 10:03 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 09:12 Seeker wrote:
Don't teach someone how to play when you clearly don't know what you yourself has to do

wow super BM coming from a guy who lost to someone in silver league D:

I lost to a silver league player who played without honor. That does not count.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 13 2014 02:04 GMT
#8
On June 13 2014 10:56 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 10:03 Shellshock wrote:
On June 13 2014 09:12 Seeker wrote:
Don't teach someone how to play when you clearly don't know what you yourself has to do

wow super BM coming from a guy who lost to someone in silver league D:

I lost to a silver league player who played without honor. That does not count.

Wow… so BM
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3291 Posts
June 13 2014 03:30 GMT
#9
What league are you?
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
June 13 2014 08:02 GMT
#10
Blueflame would have helped him a lot it seems :D - Tanks as well

Nice BR
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 13 2014 12:26 GMT
#11
On June 13 2014 12:30 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
What league are you?

Gold
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 14:35:42
June 13 2014 14:35 GMT
#12
You used OP planetaries against your own brother? Wow.
I think esports is pretty nice.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 13 2014 15:05 GMT
#13
On June 13 2014 23:35 Saechiis wrote:
You used OP planetaries against your own brother? Wow.

LOL, all he had to do was make tanks and use siege mode
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
June 13 2014 15:28 GMT
#14
On June 14 2014 00:05 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 23:35 Saechiis wrote:
You used OP planetaries against your own brother? Wow.

LOL, all he had to do was make tanks and use siege mode


Do you realize the discrepancy in technologic advancement between Ibiks and Crucio Shock cannons? It'll take him years.
I think esports is pretty nice.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 13 2014 15:31 GMT
#15
On June 14 2014 00:28 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 00:05 The_Templar wrote:
On June 13 2014 23:35 Saechiis wrote:
You used OP planetaries against your own brother? Wow.

LOL, all he had to do was make tanks and use siege mode


Do you realize the discrepancy in technologic advancement between Ibiks and Crucio Shock cannons? It'll take him years.

He made battlecruisers against one of his friends, I think he'll be fine
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