Death of a Chicken - Page 3

On May 18 2014 20:16 [BSP]Kain wrote:
Hm I don't want to derail this blog, so if this discussion is against micronesia intention then please tell me.



Two major things.

First, it's total untrue. Like endy posted there are a lot of athletes including Patrik who is vegan and successful and titled strongman. Also people like Dave Scott who was multiple champion of Ironman (speak for itself!), he won it 6 times, each time on vegan diet, not from ethical reason, but from performance-wise approach also fellow Ironman guy, etc. Also Olympic athletes like Carl Lewis.

Second, saying there there are no vegan/vegetarian athletes is not only wrong, but has a bias flaw. In Western culture, which I'm part of, not eating meat/animal products is something just getting rise in popularity. So it's obvious that the group will be underrepresented in sports, politics, business, because that's the social trend. It's same like people who said (and say...) that minorities are inferior as bosses, etc. because they are underrepresented at the highest points in hierarchy or that women are inferior in many areas in which they were actively and passively being blocked to get to...



I won't pretend I know a lot about powerlifting. But I know that Patrik that endy mention has world records as vegan. I know about nutrition enough to know that you can get everything you mentioned from other than animal products with the exception of B12 if you live in sterile environment. Also whey shakes you mention are by default vegetarian...

Also regarding creatine if anyone here is interested here in boosting their cognitive performance - it has really good results on you when you are vege. :D Good for SC2 I guess. ;] Link wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatine#Improved_cognitive_ability





Eh, this again. So let's consider everything a propaganda if that doesn't suit our believes? :/ Cmon. You are using propaganda because you are talking without backing your statements in facts. I sent link to the study and lecture who are not associated with "vegan propaganda ecoterrorists", because I too try to avoid bias on both sides. But saying that everything that they publish in science journal is false because it's not



is wrong on so many levels...

I will be more than happy if you will show me this bad methodology they have used and "cherry-picking", because if you want to publish in such renowned journal like the one I posted the proper methodology is main important factor. :X

Also you mention tradition, which for sake of this discussion I understand as evolutionary developed habits and preferences. From that point of view you are correct that people prefer meat, especially in colder/more harsh geographical areas, but you need to include facts that:

- most of evolutionary "tradition" of humanity revolved around meat as a luxury that is eaten occasionally and with lot of fruits and plants as main courses
- in modern developed world our preferences haven't changed but the surrounding drastically - you can eat things like sugar, salt, meat as much as you want which in past were not just by the corner. Hence the many diseased considered to be caused by development. And that our organism crave for the taste of it doesn't mean it's healthy, it's just evolution is slow process while technological development is exponential.

Also don't get me wrong, I have nothing against you for eating meat, etc. I don't want to limit other people choices how live their life, it's just that I find some of you statements not true and against everything that my education was about. So it's just stronger than me to not reply sometimes when I see something like that. Sorry, but I bet you understand. ^^

On May 19 2014 01:36 GoTuNk! wrote:


I stand corrected as apparently Carl Lewis and the iron man guy, together with Mat Danzig, the 3 vegetarians that are good athletes in the history of mankind.

That said, the problem I have with those three is that they weren't vegans in the begining of their carreers; while being rich they can supplement with pretty much anything, and taking steroids for their lack of natural testosterone (not that other atletes don't take them, but meat eating is fundamental for "natty" lifters more than lifters on "gear")

Sorry but Patrik Baboumian is fraud. He made up an event, then made up a weight class, and then claimed he owned a "World Record" in Strongman (which is not powerlifting). Also, he built most of his lean mass before switching to vegan (according to his own biography). He is an decent athlete for German level but never won any international event.

I could walk to my gym now, weight myself and max on something like the rack pull from above the knee. Then I could claim I'm the "Latin American Champion in the rack pull above the knee" because no one ever bothered before.

No hard feelings it is not personal.

On May 21 2014 00:08 ahswtini wrote:
I hunt and find it the most rewarding way to put food on the table. I have no qualms about harvesting an animal but I treat them with respect and try my utmost to ensure a clean kill. I've been quite upset before when I fluffed a shot and ended up wounding a rabbit, and for it to flee into its warren and slowly die. I definitely think many people living in cities in the developed world have grown detached from where their meat comes from. I've had anti-hunters/shooters tell me that I'm barbaric and bloodthirsty, and I should buy my meat from the supermarkets like everyone else.

Actually I'm not sure where I'm going with this post, or its relevance to the thread at hand