EPTI Don't Care About Dota 2 Tournaments - Page 2
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T0mken
Norway78 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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dravernor
Netherlands6191 Posts
 I like DotA 2 tournies, but there is so little hype, I agree. | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
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On May 07 2014 00:41 DavoS wrote: You're not wrong. I don't completely agree with the idea that there's too many major tournaments though, I think it's more that they're all scheduling for the exact same times. When Starladder had their big LAN finals, it was a huge hit. I think a big reason for that is there was a clear champion that was going to emerge from that event, and you had the emotion of the live audience and seeing the players in front of you. Whereas all these other cups having nothing but group stages after group stages after group stages doesn't give them anything worth watching. Looking at this summer's major LAN events, there's ESL One, Dreamhack (I think?), The Summit (I think?) and TI, correctly called the Holy Grail of eSports in this article, all in the span of a few weeks. That's not good. Viewers are going to be burned out. I already know I'm not watching Dreamhack or The Summit because I don't want to spend that much time watching these events. Imagine if The Summit's LAN was happening right now. There would be no question as to what to watch. Or imagine if ESL happened in August or September after the TI hype had cooled off. The focus would be entirely on that event, instead of it being a really well organized proving ground for TI. I think JoinDota, ESL, BTS, Valve, Dreamhack, and MLG should be working together to share time throughout the year for events instead of cramming them all together and fighting for viewers by offering nothing but group stages with some textural differences between them, followed by super hyped LAN finals all coming one after the other. Valve is still handling their event like bosses (Valve is smart like that), but all these other event organizers are not working to create any kind of cohesion in the scene That's bullshit, tbh. I enjoy this kind of schedule. Last two Dreamhacks were boring as shit though, but with EG and Team Dog, it should no longer be the case.. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On May 07 2014 02:02 LightTemplar wrote: Personally I just really like a few teams so i get to watch them once or twice a week which is great. And the thing is I do care about production value and I think others do too. The most popular tournaments recently are Starladder and Dreamleague. I think the main issue at present is the amount of qualifiers for main events. But i don't aim to watch those they are just coincidental. While Dreamleague has nice production value for their stream, I feel like they lack in many other sectors that makes their product...not so good (bad casting, terrible management of their ticket "fantasy league", bad casting, really bad casting, etc) | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On May 07 2014 02:02 ForTehDarkseid wrote: That's bullshit, tbh. I enjoy this kind of schedule. what happened to sc2? you cant say its bullshit when its already happened once | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On May 07 2014 02:04 Targe wrote: what happened to sc2? you cant say its bullshit when its already happened once I got tired of constantly watching sc2 long long time ago. The better example would be CS:GO scene, I believe. People should understand that MORE tournaments always mean MORE great games and not the other way around. | ||
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Ru ba
Serbia1812 Posts
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Yurie
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On May 07 2014 02:10 Ru ba wrote: I just follow a single team,don't give a shit about tournaments per se Kind of my attitude as well. I look for games from the team I want to follow. Other than that I think, I would like to watch some Dota, check which is the best game going on and watch that. Often with audio only, no video. I think I would enjoy radio casts of Dota a lot, they would assume you can't see the video. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On May 07 2014 02:45 CosmicSpiral wrote: a sustainable system for training new players. Care to elaborate? | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On May 07 2014 02:06 ForTehDarkseid wrote: I got tired of constantly watching sc2 long long time ago. The better example would be CS:GO scene, I believe. People should understand that MORE tournaments always mean MORE great games and not the other way around. whats the point in having more good games if you dont give a shit about them? | ||
Nixer
2774 Posts
On May 07 2014 02:04 Targe wrote: what happened to sc2? you cant say its bullshit when its already happened once It's a natural process. It'll take its course, it's not like over-saturation permanently damages the scene. I don't understand this mentality of constant worry. Tournaments, teams that are of lesser importance or not profitable in any way will be weeded out in the end to create a balance in all things. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On May 07 2014 00:45 ninazerg wrote: Too much ESPORTS is hurting ESPORTS. wait wut I would like to state that I also do not care about Dota2 tournaments, but not because there are too many of them, but just because I think the game is stupid. Maybe it would be easier for you to tell us which games you don't think are stupid. I also don't feel like the game has as much inherent longevity as SC2, but it has two things going for it, artificial variance and a large viewership that won't all get bored at once. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On May 07 2014 04:02 Jerubaal wrote: Maybe it would be easier for you to tell us which games you don't think are stupid. I also don't feel like the game has as much inherent longevity as SC2, but it has two things going for it, artificial variance and a large viewership that won't all get bored at once. And Valve. And it has DotA to speak to its ever-increasing playerbase. I don't think Dota is going anywhere too fast (daed gams everwher) At blog - Meh. Only tournament I watch for the actual tournament is any decent-sized LAN, and only a couple of those happen a year. Otherwise I'm just watching good teams or casters that make me laugh, and have basically no idea where any of these tournaments are in their progression, much less who is in them / who I hope wins. I could care less who wins some random online cup, ESPECIALLY if its empire/alliance/C9/basically any already established team. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
I mean...hell I can even point out where I stopped "following" tournaments and just started catching random games. Because I've bought tickets for some I was into...let me check this. The most recent is Starladder 9. I got that because I wanted to see some of the iG games. And I watched the finals and a few iG games over a few days according to this. Before that? DOTA2 Champion's League. I bought that to check out some specific Liquid games apparently based on my views here. The tournament before that was ATOD3 because I thought ATOD2 had been great fun. So to get to the next real tournament before that you're looking at The Premier League 4 more than a year ago. Looking through my viewing habits on that it was the last tournament where I'd watched a bunch of the games scattered throughout the season. A solid year since I've really followed the progress of a tournament as opposed to "how teams x, y and z that I like are doing". | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
The farm system in most sports naturally creates tiers of competition in order to train up-and-coming players. You never hear people complain "There's too much basketball, it's over-saturating the scene!" No one is bothered by the fact that the NBA, European leagues, Chinese leagues, NCAA, high school, and street ball all exist even though their seasons all overlap. That's largely because although they all compete for their attention, we never compare them prestige or priority-wise. We know the NBA > EU/China > college > high school > street ball in terms of skill and importance. You don't compare Michigan State to the Bobcats; everyone knows Michigan would get smoked by the worst team in the NBA. That lets us watch and judge games from every tier on their own merits. Additionally when you establish one-two leagues as the "professional scene", you naturally absorb smaller independent leagues into them. Basketball, baseball, all started out similar to Dota 2: a huge mess of competing independent local and regional leagues that refused to recognize any sovereignty. Yet as the overall scene became more profitable, it became necessary to establish one overarching league (mostly national). Right now there's no real organizational structure that informs people which tournaments are the most important. I would say the only tournaments that unanimously qualify as "top" are Starladder, WPC-ACE League, and the International. They have a strong presence in Dota history and/or include the best teams in the world. Besides them, it's all in the dark. Is Dreamleague more prestiguous than D2L, D2CL, The Summit, etc.? Leagues don't really distinguish different tiers of competition either. We know who the best teams are but they aren't exclusive to the top tournaments. They determine what tournaments are the most important, not the other way around. So we always have to compare teams like Relax and Next.kz against them only to find them wanting. It's not really fair but they don't have their own leagues to prove themselves. Exhaustion from too many tournaments is understandable. But it's not something that can be easily fixed. There's not enough money or incentive (and how would you do this without addressing internet issues anyway?) to restructure the scene. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
If you only cared about watching Navi, C9 or DK, you wouldn't be having the same problem. That's not a bad thing, because noone caring about Relax vs Next.Kz would be a bigger problem. Overall, people just wanting to watch good games is probally better than the alternative. | ||
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