I feel like the 'problem'(I don't see it as a problem at all, I love that regardless of my schedule I can almost always find good DotA to watch) is that there are a ton of Leagues running right now, or tournament qualifier group stages and whatnot, which serve the express purpose of putting out a ton of games to make sure the correct teams make it to the meaningful stages of the event.

Specifically right at this moment there does seem to be a ton of saturation, but I think this is actually somewhat of an anomaly of scheduling(especially since TI4 is a month earlier, which basically condensed the DotA summer). Sure there are usually multiple events going on(is that bad? I mean there are multiple regions to cater to, multiple events have to be running), but this stretch right now is pretty unique.

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

May 07 2014 11:54 GMT

#42

On May 07 2014 12:58 SKC wrote:
You can't really compare sports and ESPORTS in this particular issue. Noone watches every single football match, they watch their favorite teams. Even fanatics don't care that they could be watching other leagues/teams, even if their skill level higher than their own. This whole content oversaturation is unique to ESPORTS, even though sports have as much quality content (but a bit more stacked on weekends and wednesdays). Even professionals are not expected to know everything about leagues other than the ones they cover. There's plenty of high level football leagues in Europe and you would have to be mad to follow them all.

If you only cared about watching Navi, C9 or DK, you wouldn't be having the same problem. That's not a bad thing, because noone caring about Relax vs Next.Kz would be a bigger problem. Overall, people just wanting to watch good games is probally better than the alternative.

this just isnt true?

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

May 07 2014 14:37 GMT

#43

On May 07 2014 20:54 Targe wrote:

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this just isnt true?

Most people don't watch more than 1 game a weekend. People that do, maybe watch a couple other good games. Noone tries to watch every game. It's far more about following your favorite team than just anything that's on.

ForTehDarkseid

8139 Posts

May 07 2014 14:47 GMT

#44

On May 07 2014 02:50 Targe wrote:

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On May 07 2014 02:06 ForTehDarkseid wrote:

On May 07 2014 02:04 Targe wrote:

On May 07 2014 02:02 ForTehDarkseid wrote:

On May 07 2014 00:41 DavoS wrote:
You're not wrong. I don't completely agree with the idea that there's too many major tournaments though, I think it's more that they're all scheduling for the exact same times. When Starladder had their big LAN finals, it was a huge hit. I think a big reason for that is there was a clear champion that was going to emerge from that event, and you had the emotion of the live audience and seeing the players in front of you. Whereas all these other cups having nothing but group stages after group stages after group stages doesn't give them anything worth watching.
Looking at this summer's major LAN events, there's ESL One, Dreamhack (I think?), The Summit (I think?) and TI, correctly called the Holy Grail of eSports in this article, all in the span of a few weeks. That's not good. Viewers are going to be burned out. I already know I'm not watching Dreamhack or The Summit because I don't want to spend that much time watching these events.
Imagine if The Summit's LAN was happening right now. There would be no question as to what to watch. Or imagine if ESL happened in August or September after the TI hype had cooled off. The focus would be entirely on that event, instead of it being a really well organized proving ground for TI.
I think JoinDota, ESL, BTS, Valve, Dreamhack, and MLG should be working together to share time throughout the year for events instead of cramming them all together and fighting for viewers by offering nothing but group stages with some textural differences between them, followed by super hyped LAN finals all coming one after the other. Valve is still handling their event like bosses (Valve is smart like that), but all these other event organizers are not working to create any kind of cohesion in the scene

That's bullshit, tbh. I enjoy this kind of schedule.

what happened to sc2? you cant say its bullshit when its already happened once

I got tired of constantly watching sc2 long long time ago. The better example would be CS:GO scene, I believe.

People should understand that MORE tournaments always mean MORE great games and not the other way around.

whats the point in having more good games if you dont give a shit about them?

I believe that well-educated viewers prioritize great games among almost everything else. If the hype is more important for you than the content, it's just your own preference, don't extrapolate it all over the community.

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

May 07 2014 14:51 GMT

#45

Most people I know who watch football will watch a couple weekend games and then match of the day to hear about games they couldnt watch/werent interested but turned out alright

no one is really going to watch sunderland cardiff or something unless they support those teams or it will affect their team, there will likely be other games to watch whilst that match is on, just like people in dota arent going to watch Nyx Ehug just because its there, theyll look for teams they want to watch.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

May 07 2014 14:55 GMT

#46

I'll watch nyx-ehug when its the international qualifers tho :3

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

May 07 2014 14:58 GMT

#47

On May 07 2014 23:51 Targe wrote:
Most people I know who watch football will watch a couple weekend games and then match of the day to hear about games they couldnt watch/werent interested but turned out alright

no one is really going to watch sunderland cardiff or something unless they support those teams or it will affect their team, there will likely be other games to watch whilst that match is on, just like people in dota arent going to watch Nyx Ehug just because its there, theyll look for teams they want to watch.

Are you talking just about the Premier League? Because there are often other top rated tournaments going on. Look at a random sunday for example:
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/match/index.html?type=fixtures

You can easily watch 3 or 4 games a day with decent teams on weeked, if you wanted to.

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

May 07 2014 16:06 GMT

#48

On May 07 2014 23:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'll watch nyx-ehug when its the international qualifers tho :3

this is my point about me only caring about the international, i feel the same

On May 07 2014 23:58 SKC wrote:

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and lots of my friends dedicate their weekend afternoons either at the pub or on their sofa for this reason

WolfintheSheep

Canada14127 Posts

May 07 2014 19:20 GMT

#49

On May 07 2014 23:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote:

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On May 07 2014 02:50 Targe wrote:

On May 07 2014 02:06 ForTehDarkseid wrote:

On May 07 2014 02:04 Targe wrote:

On May 07 2014 02:02 ForTehDarkseid wrote:

That's bullshit, tbh. I enjoy this kind of schedule.

what happened to sc2? you cant say its bullshit when its already happened once

whats the point in having more good games if you dont give a shit about them?

If people prioritized great games over everything else, Live Viewership would be shit and everyone would just go to VoDs. Because obviously you don't know a game is great until it's happened.

But that's not what happens, so obviously what you believe means absolutely nothing.

More tournaments at once = more games that people don't watch. The numbers don't lie.