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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On December 04 2013 08:52 jimmydu444 wrote: MVP has significantly more experienced players than fOu. If you switch Demon and Blitz in the different teams, MVP would have still won. Demon did well in one game because all his team did was stack him. In the second when he played QOP he did well because the weaver constantly fed him.Blitz, no offense, but you are not a very good player, at least, not good enough to be a professional player as of right now. Going to Korea just so that you can take advantage of their less developed scene, and try and make a quick bucks was a decision you made. If your ass wasn't so high up your ass as to believe you could literally just fly to Korea and win your first tournament, with no prior professional Dota 2 experience, with a team that you never played with before, then you would've at least had a more reasonable reaction to your loss. From your interview with Hotbid, you clearly stated your belief that the Korean scene was so behind in terms of skills compared to the rest of the world, that even you, could become a star player in it. Trying to be a big fish in a small pond, and failing to do so because of competition, does not warrant any sympathy. Demon being in Korea was clearly not something that you anticipated. The games that you played against him today, it was clear that Demon was able to pub carry his team, due to the low skills of his team and his opponents. It is my belief that you imagined yourself doing the same thing Demon was doing today before you came to Korea. I'm not saying Demon played poorly, but if you think the difference in the win was somehow that one team had Demon and the other had Blitz, then you don't know shit about Dota. The better team won. Everyone isn't as big of an asshole as you. Just because you think all decisions are made to make a quick buck, doesn't mean that's what everyone does. Blitz's reasons for going to Korea are perfectly justified, and I'm sure if all he wanted was to make a living he'd give up on playing and just go into casting/streaming. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
From what I've seen, it's not like Febby showed outstanding quality anyway. Though in hindsight that might have had something to do with his state of mind based on what you said about him wanting to leave for a while. | ||
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jimmydu444
Canada250 Posts
On December 04 2013 09:52 teapoted wrote: MVP has significantly more experienced players than fOu. If you switch Demon and Blitz in the different teams, MVP would have still won. Demon did well in one game because all his team did was stack him. In the second when he played QOP he did well because the weaver constantly fed him. I'm not saying Demon played poorly, but if you think the difference in the win was somehow that one team had Demon and the other had Blitz, then you don't know shit about Dota. The better team won. If you think being able to win the mid lane heavily doesn't significantly influences the outcome of the game, which was exactly what happened in both games, then I really don't know what to say. I mean, if your mid player lost the lane as viper to shadow fiend, and you say that doesn't really matter... Also, Tobi's promise of a statement being released by G-League regarding the situation last year was never fulfilled, I wonder that is. | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On December 04 2013 09:59 jimmydu444 wrote: You don't need to say anything to me as you clearly don't understand the game.If you think being able to win the mid lane heavily doesn't significantly influences the outcome of the game, which was exactly what happened in both games, then I really don't know what to say. User was warned for this post | ||
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jimmydu444
Canada250 Posts
On December 04 2013 10:01 teapoted wrote: You don't need to say anything to me as you clearly don't understand the game. Ok, I'm just gona go play my low level trench pub as viper and lose my lane to SF every game and hope it works out for the best. User was warned for this post | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
Maybe you can contact the french player carn. He was on MVP until they got DeMoN to replace him :o | ||
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nicoacademia
6 Posts
what's more pertinent at this moment now is what's the next step. recruit the 5th or return to the US. how do you feel about korea? as you can see the skill difference is terribad. If you want to continue your pro career, does it make sense to be in Korea or back in the US? you do get more exposure being in Korea because you are a bigger fish than them to the international market. what do you feel for the moment now? if you return back, the community still welcomes you back. we all try stuff in life and not everything sticks. welcome to adulthood. take some time to feel the situation. maybe Febby leaving was all part of the plan so that you can take control of the team and bring them up to your standards. take some time to see how it feels... give yourself a time frame and if it works it works. if not, you know you've tried, not everything in life works out because we'll never know why too. | ||
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lilopuppy
Philippines542 Posts
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asaed
United States1412 Posts
Best of luck! | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8686 Posts
firstly i think its pretty obvious that it was a mistake to come to korea based on a promise by one individual. especially since that individual isnt the one who has the power to take care of you with things such as food, expenses etc. no one could have seen this dick move coming, but you should have been more cautious anyway, seeing as how volatile the korean scene is atm. secondly, and this goes for pretty much 90 percent of people watching korean dota, you shouldnt have underestimated korean players. people watch korean pro games which are still in its infancy and compare it to games displayed by navi vs alliance or something and dismiss the korean scene entirely. no shit koreas going to be worse, however that doesnt mean korean players are all shit at dota, they just lack experience. i know from personal experience that a good number of korean players are easily capable of playing with other pros in less competitive settings. this i think was your biggest problem, you flew into korea and from what i can tell it seems like you considered your team to be favourites prior to demons arrival. you were not favourites. and no offense, despite what some people are saying in this thread also, you werent going to be an automatic star player. i heard somewhere that you had promised 15kills or something in your first game. regardless of whether it was a joke, it comes off as cocky and naive. had you come fully prepared to for the worst, maybe your team wouldnt be taking the loss this badly. obviously it wouldnt change the current situation, but the way your team approached the situation may be different. or maybe if you werent underestimating the korean scene so much, regardless of what febby might have said to convince you to come, you may have chose to not come at all. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
Also, Febby sounds like a giant asshole. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On December 04 2013 08:55 Kraznaya wrote: who said I liked them tbh I really think the Korean scene is overhyped and over covered compared to scenes like the Philippines and South America where people are passionate about dota and have been for years, but o well what can u do when nexon offers hundreds of thousands of dollars to anyone who can be in the country to take it It actually has a lot of strategic importance. LoL is huge in Korea not to mention eSports in general, any eSport that makes it big in Korea gets massive exposure and often ends up big around the world. LoL's eSport success around the world can be heavily attributed to the Korean scene. If we can somehow get a foothold in Korea, Dota will become twice as big as it is now. Same can't be said of any other region right now. We can never be sure that Dota will be THE world game of eSports (like Football of sports), but there would be 0 debate about it if it ever took over LoL in the home of eSports. For many, Dota has already succeeded, but for me I wouldn't consider Dota successful till it has surpassed LoL. There isn't much left of HoN now and every minor moba is being engulfed by Dota and LoL, eventually one of these will take over as the primary moba which people will flock to for their eSports fix. If we don't we also risk getting overtaken by a genre which has a single unified community. Its a trend that doesn't seem to change, most people don't want to follow multiple games of the same genre. There were multiple RTS's trying to get a foothold in the eSports scene, there was a lot of competition, but eventually only one made it to the end. A good example is the Fighting game scene, Street Fighter is considered THE esports fighter, even though there is a ton of competition (guilty gear/blazblue, MVC, smash) and hardcore fanbases in the lesser known games. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Anyway respect for what you tried to do. | ||
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sns3rsam
United States138 Posts
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Deegh
United States9 Posts
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Spsnow
United States4 Posts
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