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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
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shadowrunner99
Belarus93 Posts
You paid for the flight you might as well make the most of it.. You can try to set up and be the captain of this team (including drafting). You still have a team house right? Find a 5th and try to make it work. You should practice non-stop until the next NSL. You still have a great shot at winning it. You should teach your team these strats in addition to the regular protect the carry: Pugna push strat Wisp + Tiny (other carries as well) Doombringer This would also mean they wouldn't be able to ban SS (not sure if you care), And would open up much more space for you to out-draft the other team. Febby played horrible, not sure how he did in scrims, so his loss is a net gain. The enigma player suffered from indecision, you can't wait for the perfect black hole you just have to use it (not his fault entirely with Rubick on the enemy team but still). Summary: Febby is an asshole. The situation has not changed dramatically, you still have nothing to lose and one more chance. I hope you do not give up. | ||
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BombaySensei
United States282 Posts
I'm sure it sucks right now and you're really sad, but do step back and reassess where your team stands. I think you still have a much better team environment over there in Korea than you could have in the west, even if the current skill level might be lower. You went to Korea with a goal of becoming a professional player -- are you sure you can give that up now? Whatever you decide, I wish you good luck. I've been a fan of yours for a while, so I look forward to seeing you in whatever it is you do next. | ||
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yyfpulls
United States2185 Posts
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Xaga
United States163 Posts
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ilsamsamchil
155 Posts
On December 04 2013 09:07 NB wrote: not so sure about that. I can see febby doing well in the future as his mechanics are there. Its just that his decision making sucks but that will be fixed afer a player get enough competitive experience. Given the average Korean dota match right now, i would rate febby somewhere in top 10 korean players i have seen. Yeah except febby has been playing at "pro" level since WC3 dota (dota 1 such a crude term amirite?). Out of all the players in the scene, I don't think the lack of competitive experience is a valid excuse that can apply to febby. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
 I really hope you can bounce back from this, I believe in you!! | ||
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SeOh
United States32 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
However, don't limit yourself to just Korea in training. Scrim as much as possible with SEA teams and players as well, as these guys have a boatload of pro-level experience and can show you a drafting style that gets elements from China and Europe playstyles. You can leverage your contacts for that (like Winter and GoDz), and it gives them a glimpse on how Korea will stack up with them once the whole scene gets going there. It will give you a better handle on drafting and map control, which is where most Korean teams have issues vs each other or more importantly, more experienced non-Korean teams. Finally, DON'T BE AFRAID to experiment. Even if your exposure might mean you'll probably end up doing a SyndereN with your team (captaining from the solo mid slot) for the meantime, you have to eventually leverage your knowledge to drafting and map control. So if you think that using a 4 slot playmaker (Rubick, Windrunner etc.) as your position along with captainship will enable you to control the tempo better as a whole for the team, then GO FOR IT. You might be a great mid, but if the team grows to the point where the individual mechanics are less important (i.e. everyone's on a similar level) and your shot-calling is where the games will end up getting won or lost, do it. | ||
Waxangel
United States33711 Posts
Sucks man, I hope you find a way to stay in Korea and keep competing. | ||
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Blitzsupporter34132
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Shitty ideas aside, remember that you will have fans no matter you decide to do. I mean, I made this account and this was the lowest number left!  Best of luck, mate. #fuckfebby #greatleadersareborninflames #blitzneverquitz #roadtoTI4 Edit: Also... Call 1437, he's teamless and is used to living in a teamhouse in an Asian country. | ||
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FiercE
United States78 Posts
On December 04 2013 11:28 BombaySensei wrote: tbh, Febby was playing awful dota of late. You didn't go into detail about your team argument/fight, but if he had any part in that, I can only think that his leaving is a major positive for the team going forward. You don't really want someone who isn't committed to your team anyway. I'm sure it sucks right now and you're really sad, but do step back and reassess where your team stands. I think you still have a much better team environment over there in Korea than you could have in the west, even if the current skill level might be lower. You went to Korea with a goal of becoming a professional player -- are you sure you can give that up now? Whatever you decide, I wish you good luck. I've been a fan of yours for a while, so I look forward to seeing you in whatever it is you do next. basically every fight in a korean dota team happens because an NA korean player yells at his teammates in frustration because of how bad his teammates are and then they do the typical average dota player thing where they try to defend themselves and it causes the NA player to get even more frustrated and then there's frustration from feeling powerless to help your teammates get better because a lot of this shit just takes a lot of time to learn | ||
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DBS
515 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
Also, this is why it's good to setup contracts to cover these kinds of things better. | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
Good luck . | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On December 04 2013 09:02 BAMK wrote: lol @ the wannabe contrarians. I thought we had flame rules for that shit. Or is it non-blogs only? free speech, the line between honest opinion and what you consider "flame" can be very thin, obviously mods are trying to stay fair I feel very conflicted, Blitz. It's quite obvious that this whole situation sucks for you and that you're not really at fault here, but at the same time a part of me has lost some respect for you as a player. I know I'm being unreasonable here, you're a person first and a player second, but I can't escape this notion of the ideal professional who encounters bad situations but stays silent and manages to pull through. It's quite understandable that you'd want to vent your frustrations and show the world that nothing is your fault - and it isn't, so I don't blame you - but a part of me still feels this way. Good luck, anyway. | ||
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Blitz
United States706 Posts
On December 04 2013 10:39 evilfatsh1t wrote: heres my 2cents from someone whos been in close touch with the scene for a very long time. firstly i think its pretty obvious that it was a mistake to come to korea based on a promise by one individual. especially since that individual isnt the one who has the power to take care of you with things such as food, expenses etc. no one could have seen this dick move coming, but you should have been more cautious anyway, seeing as how volatile the korean scene is atm. secondly, and this goes for pretty much 90 percent of people watching korean dota, you shouldnt have underestimated korean players. people watch korean pro games which are still in its infancy and compare it to games displayed by navi vs alliance or something and dismiss the korean scene entirely. no shit koreas going to be worse, however that doesnt mean korean players are all shit at dota, they just lack experience. i know from personal experience that a good number of korean players are easily capable of playing with other pros in less competitive settings. this i think was your biggest problem, you flew into korea and from what i can tell it seems like you considered your team to be favourites prior to demons arrival. you were not favourites. and no offense, despite what some people are saying in this thread also, you werent going to be an automatic star player. i heard somewhere that you had promised 15kills or something in your first game. regardless of whether it was a joke, it comes off as cocky and naive. had you come fully prepared to for the worst, maybe your team wouldnt be taking the loss this badly. obviously it wouldnt change the current situation, but the way your team approached the situation may be different. or maybe if you werent underestimating the korean scene so much, regardless of what febby might have said to convince you to come, you may have chose to not come at all. You're so stupid that reading this made me more physically ill then Febby actually leaving. I came to the scene because I thought it would be a fun experience and it was the only team offer I had. I assumed we would be favorites because fOu got second only to Startale and hadn't dropped a game in NSL up until the finals. I never said I was going to be an automatic star player, and by the way the only we reason we had last that game was due to DeMoN. Not the Korean scene, DeMoN. I didn't 'underestimate' the Korean scene, I was well aware of where it was skill wise you fuckwit. I even made a tweet saying the individual skill was quite high but the teamwork aspect was lacking. As far as 'how volatile the korean scene is' I wasn't aware of that part considering I wasn't told that there was any issues in the first place with the team. Last night Febby telling me he had issues was the first I had ever known that he had issues at all. The only person not showing proper respect here is you o.o | ||
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Blitz
United States706 Posts
On December 04 2013 14:20 OutlaW- wrote: free speech, the line between honest opinion and what you consider "flame" can be very thin, obviously mods are trying to stay fair I feel very conflicted, Blitz. It's quite obvious that this whole situation sucks for you and that you're not really at fault here, but at the same time a part of me has lost some respect for you as a player. I know I'm being unreasonable here, you're a person first and a player second, but I can't escape this notion of the ideal professional who encounters bad situations but stays silent and manages to pull through. It's quite understandable that you'd want to vent your frustrations and show the world that nothing is your fault - and it isn't, so I don't blame you - but a part of me still feels this way. Good luck, anyway. You were going to find out that Febby had left the team shortly, and if you heard that I had left the team shortly after it would've seemed as if we mutually abandoned the team or that something was wrong with fOu. I wanted people to clearly know that the organization or that the existing members were not at fault here. If that meant throwing Febby under the bus he made his bed. | ||
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GranDGranT
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
its not a failure yet, it becomes one when you give up and leave korea. a wise man once said:"if you are going through hell, keep going!" you are in the middle of korea which means you are in the best place to dive deeper into the scene. it may take a while, it also could be a risk. but you should be able to find talent there you could recruit. the rest of you team just needs to stay strong and together. its not like "oh in korea are only 20 good players and they are in teams. there is no player 21 and 22" . if you keep looking you will find this player 21 and 22(numbers were picked randomly :D ) who are promising enough to join a team. just dont fucking give up, you hear me? keep going, you can do it! | ||
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