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KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
November 11 2013 16:34 GMT
#21
What about going to a Korean college and then doing an exchange program? I don't know the details of how they work but I've heard it's a cheaper way.
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DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
November 11 2013 16:40 GMT
#22
Living costs in the U.S. probably aren't better
My community college was only 3.5k per semester, and I don't think living in the dorms pushed it over 7k per semester. This was one of the cheapest schools in New York State though, and the dorms were absolutely disgusting.
Try a country that isn't awful about investing in higher education, that's my best advice :/
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Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
November 11 2013 17:57 GMT
#23
I don't know anything at all about international students, but a lot of what has already been said should be helpful on that front.

What I will say is that my experiences with Community College were great, and that even if I had paid for it, it would have only been about $2000 a semester at this particular school for full time. The most important thing I can suggest is to ask about grants. What many people in America don't realize is that there are grants all over the place if you know who to ask and where to look. My example is that I first went to a community college in my home state (Connecticut) and went straight to the financial aid department. I let them know what my income/savings were (very little and nothing) and asked about scholarships. The man I spoke to was extremely helpful and was able to find me grant money based on my SAT scores (just above average) living conditions, and work experience that paid for the entire cost of tuition as well as my books and some extra for the drive back and forth.

Mind you, I lived at home at the time, so this does not include living expenses at all.

From what I've experienced, schools in the USA are always looking for international students, but I've only known international students who either had greencards and had moved here already, or were transfers from other international schools.

Have you considered applying for work from an American company, and going to school part time? I don't mean to imply that it's likely, but you never know if a US company wouldn't be willing to pay you low-ish wages to do a job for them in America (thus providing you with a work visa) that might allow you to go to school as well? I'm really not sure how that works, to be honest, but it might be something to consider.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
November 11 2013 19:30 GMT
#24
The thing with going to Community college as an International student (at least in California) is that it's going to cost you a lot more than it does for local students. Cost wise your looking at about 12k a year in tuition alone (400 dollars a unit assuming 15 units a semester) and that doesn't include books or room and board. It's still a lot cheaper than going to a 4 year colege (which costs aroun 55k for international students for a UC as an example.) I assume you'd be able to do work study to reduce the cost but I'm not entirely sure.

That being said a lot International students go to community colleges, again this is for California.

My dad's a counselor at a Community college so If there's anything else your confused about I should hoipefully be able to help.
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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
November 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#25
I'm in your same page as far as TOEFL is concerned, I will apply for a PhD next year and I also have to take the GRE... maybe I'll stay in Europe, I don't get why I should pass 2 exams while even the top european universities like Oxford and Cambridge only ask for the TOEFL/IELTS...
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Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 22:47:13
November 11 2013 22:46 GMT
#26
The GRE is an exam for all people to do graduate school in the US. If anyone wants to get into graduate school, you will take that exam. It's totally unrelated to international students and English proficiency.
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
November 11 2013 23:14 GMT
#27
Why do you want to live in CA over other states?
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 01:22:16
November 12 2013 01:14 GMT
#28
Damn... I was wondering if it has to be the states. I first wanted to suggest that you study in sweden, since you would not have to learn swedish as they offer many degrees completely teached in english and do speak english in generall, however, It only took one google search to find out that they actually charge insane tuition fees if you are not a citizen of europe.

In germany, there are no tuition fees. OK, ok, there are in about 3 german states + Show Spoiler +
Yes, states, not universities, the state handles tuition fees here
which have them, but they are 500Euro max, and no, I did not miss a zero there, If you study in Berlin it is 100% free, however, you would have to know german for that.
Then again, our living costs are a joke aswell (as in very low) compared to other countries.

I don't know about france, but the language would still be the bigger problem. England has tuition fees aswell.

Your english has become so much better! There are still some obvious mistakes, I might have time tomorrow to correct them. Good night for now.

PS: You might want to check australia, New Zealand and south africa aswell for studying abroad.
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
November 12 2013 01:39 GMT
#29
Good luck to you Rain. The only advice i can give is everything is more expensive then you plan.`
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Rain
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
120 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 09:35:41
November 12 2013 01:53 GMT
#30
I wish they all could be California girls~

Thanks to everyone who replied on my post.
I read those comments over and over and it helped me a lot.
Basically, many people think that attending CC is a fairly good idea.
I think my family and I can afford if I attend to CC, it's not hopeless so far :D

My pressing concerns have been solved. thank you again!

Now I have to decided which city do I have to go, and which semester do I have to apply(Spring or Fall)
If it's closer to the country side expenses goes down right?








Life is not easy, sometimes you need to realize you gotta pack your bags and go back to the real world before you're old and broke with no education.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
November 12 2013 04:57 GMT
#31
On November 12 2013 10:53 Rain wrote:
If it's closer to the country side expenses goes down right?

Maybe, but I think it will be more comfortable to live in the city. One expense that you have to consider is transportation. In the city, there's usually some public transportation so you don't need to buy a car.

You might also have a tougher time assimilating in the country-side. If you live in southern california, you'll probably be treated better because there are plenty of international students like you. The professors will probably be more understanding of your english level. The people there will be more used to a multi-cultural society so it will be easier for you to make friends. If you have a desire for korean food, there will be plenty of quality options.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
November 12 2013 06:14 GMT
#32
Yo Rain. It's not going to be that much cheaper living in a rural area. If I were you, I would stick with an urban area because you will be a lot happier with the experience, even if you pay a bit more. University should be a good experience for you and your environment has a lot to do with it. I don't want you to isolated in a rural area and have a shitty time. It's California ffs.

Btw, you should really look into home staying with one of the thousands of Korean families in Cali. It's actually quite cost efficient since they will do all the cooking for you and if they are nice, you will be like family to them. This is what most Koreans do, unless they are rich and their parents can pay for everything. Plus, staying with a family has a lot of perks like networking with other Koreans and such. Most of my friends who are from Korea are with home stay families.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 06:52:19
November 12 2013 06:49 GMT
#33
Hi Rain, I know you said you want to live in California, but the living expenses there are pretty high! So I wanted to share an option that you could consider.

You said you are interested in Computer Science. Also it seems you want to live in a more urban city (instead of countryside, if possible), and I assume you would like it if there's a decent amount of Koreans that may be in the same boat as you (also international students, also trying to become fluent at English).

You could consider studying at a CC in Michigan, then possibly transfer to University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, Michigan. It's not a really top top school, but it is still relatively high tier, and its Computer Science program is known as one of best in the US.

I don't know about other states, but here in Michigan there's a lot of community colleges where international students can pay as little as $6000 a year. Since University of Michigan is a big college, a lot of people transfer from a CC into UM. So, there are a lot of CCs where a lot of the classes will count as transfer credits.

It is not a rural town, but not like a huge Californian city either. It's still urban, there are buses and public transport, and you can get by without a car, but it is a college town, so the price living here isn't that high. You could live in a single apartment for ~$450 a month or share a room with someone for $300 (you will have less space but there are many libraries and private places you can go to do study, do homework, or play games).

There are a lot of international students at UM, so you might find it a little more comfortable! About 12% students are Asian American. Not as much as California, but UM has one of the highest ratios for international students; about 12% students are international students and Koreans make up 2-3% of that. So combined, 24% of the students are either Asian or International.

The international student tuition for 1 year is $40,000. It's still really high, but not as high as the good Californian universities.

At UM, I also see a lot of students who have "Work Study". This means they have a part-time job while going to school. They get a lot of benefits for working. One of the most important is that you make almost double the amount (so about $18/hour!) if you qualify for it. So this could really help you earn some money.
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Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1952 Posts
November 12 2013 07:50 GMT
#34
There's also the option to go to a European university! I don't know much about how it works in other countries but in most of Western Europe Universities are basically free to attend (something like 500$ per year). You just need to find money for rent and food.

Not wanting to hate on the American system, but why would you seriously want to pay 30'000$ for mediocre education going to a below average american university when you can get awesome and free education in Europe ?
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 08:32:37
November 12 2013 08:00 GMT
#35
On November 12 2013 13:57 T.O.P. wrote:
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On November 12 2013 10:53 Rain wrote:
If it's closer to the country side expenses goes down right?

Maybe, but I think it will be more comfortable to live in the city. One expense that you have to consider is transportation. In the city, there's usually some public transportation so you don't need to buy a car.

You might also have a tougher time assimilating in the country-side. If you live in southern california, you'll probably be treated better because there are plenty of international students like you. The professors will probably be more understanding of your english level. The people there will be more used to a multi-cultural society so it will be easier for you to make friends. If you have a desire for korean food, there will be plenty of quality options.


There's basically International students everywhere in Californi acommunity college wise since so many want to go to the UC system. I live about 2 hrs from the Oregon border and the Community College I go to still has quite a few international students.

Transportation is a big issue, If you're not somewhere like the bay area (or like maybe LA but don't take my word on that) it's incredibly difficult to get anywhere without a car. again Good Luck

One bit of advice I'd have is to try to find someone who makes it there job to know about this stuff and talk to them, there should be at least some group or something I'd guess since so many people do it. All we can do is offer up speculation and general stuff.

response to Geiko (not trying to be argumentative just thought you might be curious.)
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On November 12 2013 16:50 Geiko wrote:
There's also the option to go to a European university! I don't know much about how it works in other countries but in most of Western Europe Universities are basically free to attend (something like 500$ per year). You just need to find money for rent and food.

Not wanting to hate on the American system, but why would you seriously want to pay 30'000$ for mediocre education going to a below average american university when you can get awesome and free education in Europe ?

I don't know much about European Universities so I took out what I wrote because I realized it was completely useless and added nothing.

The main reason fo going to a Community College in California is that it basically gives you all the classes you need to transfer to a UC school which is where everyone wants to go. A ton of international students do it because UC schools are expensive for international students and its a hell of a lot cheaper ( about 70 thousand dollars) plus it's easier to just go to a CC as opposed to applying to a UC as an international student who's a freshman.
and pretty much every UC, even Irvine and Riverside, are considered very good schools (no one cares if you went to community college all they care about is where your degree's from).
quoting from google about the UC system "Eight of its undergraduate campuses are ranked among the top 100, six among the top 50, and two among the top 25 U.S. universities by U.S. News and World Report." and while the US may lack in a lot of areas there Colleges are pretty decen.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 12 2013 10:41 GMT
#36
The biggest problem I see for you is the cost of living in California is so much higher than other parts of the US. There are other large citys that have much better living expenses, much of the mid west for example and still have top 50 universities. Im from Ohio and you can get a nice apartment 15 minutes from the large Universities for 300$ a month and CC tuition is only 6000$ a year for out of town students. But even larger cities like Chicago is much cheaper than Cali. Also my car was a 2004Dodge Intrepid that cost me only 2000$ and I have had it 4 years with no problems so a car isnt that big of a deal in this area also.
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Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
November 12 2013 13:13 GMT
#37
Have you considered moving to Europe, where you don't have to sell your bodyparts to afford a good university?
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caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
November 12 2013 20:25 GMT
#38
x 2 for Canada. There may not be any Harvards, but all the universities comply with national standards so there is no risk of going to Hamburger U or whatever shady non-licenced universities they have in the US. This is coming from a guy making a lot of money after going to a Canadian university (UWO).
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HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 21:35:55
November 12 2013 21:28 GMT
#39
On November 11 2013 11:42 Rain wrote:
It’s not part of my blog about my gaming career.
I’m writing this in regards to get more information and share my feelings.
My English isn't good enough(especially in writing) so please take that into consideration and if there are any grammatical mistakes please let me know!




After hearing valuable information from my friends, I noticed that the real world is harsher than I thought. Even though If I make decent SAT and TOEFL scores, I will would not be able to go to regular 4 years Universities in the states because I might not be able to afford the tuition.
Moreover, living expenses are also unaffordable. The only choice that I have at this moment is going to Community College and transfer to 4 years regular school.
Since I am an international student, possibilities to get scholarships converge to 0.
I have to face with the fate, initiate another CHEESE for my life.
My current plan is to prepare for the TOEFL test whenever my work is done and if I get a decent score then I will apply for the CC.
The only advantage that I have at this point is my programming career.
If I fucked up in CC(drinking all day and messing up my GPA) then it will be the end of my life.+ Show Spoiler +
No it won't. You will get a job in an electronic store, one day you will buy this guitar someone sold to the store and found a future glam/punk band

I don’t want to live like a fool talking about heroic exploits and shit.
I’ve made terrible decisions ever since I quit gaming so I will make discreet decisions this time.
The bright side is that I saved most of my prices for the future and I have learned English and they are that is supporting me a lot. If I didn't hadn't + Show Spoiler +
That is a really small mistake. Using "didn`t" implies you are not sure if you did or did not.
saved + Show Spoiler +
Save without d was correct with "didn't".
that money I would not be able to think about going abroad.




Thanks for reading. I only stayed in the state for 3 months so I don't have enough information.
I'm wondering if I go to CC and economize a lot, I can I graduate CC with $30,000?
As far as I know, tuition for CC is less expensive than regular school, it only costs $10,000 per year which I can afford it.

I would like to apply for the spring semester if I can get a decent TOEFL score.
when is the deadline for the spring semester registration?

If you have any tips or information that might help me, please share with me !! :D
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Rucho
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
November 13 2013 18:38 GMT
#40
@Rain:

I think Sacramento can be a good choice for you. It is the Capital of California, but not as expensive as Los Angeles or the Bay Area (San Francisco). The weather is great, and we have plenty of California girls haha. You can rent a room for probably around 300, or get a 1 bedroom apartment for about 600 to 800 a month. It is also one of the most culturally diverse cities in the world. The population is mostly white, Mexican, black, Vietnamese, Filipino, Russian, Korean, Chinese, Afghan, and Indian. Not that many Japanese or European people here for some reason.

The Los Rios community college district in Sacramento is very good. www.losrios.edu There are several campuses (Sac City college, American River College, Consumnes River College) etc and you can take classes at any of them and transfer the credits. It makes it easy to have a flexible schedule. Tuition is pretty cheap, about 46 dollars per unit or 1500 per year if you take 16 units per semester. Tuition gets you a free pass to use all the public transportation in Sacramento, buses and trains included. The transportation makes it easy to get to all the campuses and travel around downtown. Sacramento is a great mix of urban and rural. My lives 20 minutes from downtown and he has horses and chickens and stuff. However, I live in downtown and I can ride my bike to school and work, and walk to bars. Pretty nice.

I have taken a few classes in the Los Rios college district and I've always had very good professors, better than some of the ones at California State University, Sacramento. If you can keep your living expenses down, I think it will be manageable.

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