Brood War - Page 3

On August 29 2013 16:36 shaftofpleasure wrote:
With SC2 falling apart, I'm having these thoughts of a possible BW Reniassance .. I dunno .. it's just me and it will always be there. Koreans will still be following the BW scene. People having been doing this for more than 10 years so why would they stop? I think I maybe far off but BW can become what Chess is today.

On August 29 2013 20:25 Sawamura wrote:
The joy of watching broodwar knowing who you are rooting for, the intensity and action every time the players are trying to attack each other on screen are thing that I will never forget. Playing the game gives more satisfaction but I will take everything I can get right now no matter how small it is . Broodwar forever .

On August 29 2013 20:34 Elroi wrote:

This attitude is so much better than mine. I can't watch the game I love the most and the game I think is the best that has ever been made only because it used to be played at a much higher level. It just feels wrong. Maybe I'll go back to BW when more old pros switch back.

On August 29 2013 16:46 GolemMadness wrote:
I should watch some of Nukethestar's commentaries again. From the 2009 EVER OSL, I watched almost every single OSL and MSL game thanks to him and Ranshin.

On August 29 2013 15:16 Chef wrote:

edit: I think for you, if you enjoy SC2, there is no reason to watch old BW VODs, because you already have that need fulfilled. It's only a person who doesn't like most sports and doesn't care for SC2 who can be crazy/ridiculous enough to watch tonnes of old VODs for a dead sport. And it is ridiculous... But that is me.

I have a lot of bitter feelings towards a community which at large gobbled up games they admitted were inferior, but were 'the future of eSports' and who told lies until they became the truth.

On August 30 2013 11:22 Liquid`Drone wrote:
if you actually say current c+ and transport all the way back to 2002, then I agree, that player would be a top-ish foreigner, I can especially picture a current day terran being really good at tvz - someone who just executes a 1 rax expand and follows up with a 4 rax or whatever would totally dominate. maps being different is absolutely a factor, especially if you look at the real map-oddballs (like jungle story), but there were many macro oriented maps back then as well. legacy of char for example- no problem doing a 1 rax expand there or a fast expand pvz.

now, the current day c+ player would on average have worse micro and decisionmaking than a 2002 top nonkorean or korean (if you watch corbalt go 9/10 gate from like 2002 or whatever, you'll see that his zealot micro is pretty much on par with current top nonkoreans.), but the c+ player would have significantly better opening build orders/timings, and absolutely superior macro. like, I was a top-ish nonkorean in 2002, in 2008, and with the exception of sziky I think I should be capable of taking a game from pretty much anyone now - at least if I played 50 games and de-rusted. If I were to rank the different eriadors, then 2008 eriador is quite a bit better than 2013 eriador - whom is way better than 2002 eriador. and in assessing how they are different, it's basically in terms of overarching understanding of the game. I was capable of keeping my money low back in 2002, and my micro was probably on the same level as it is now, although a bit less refined than it was in 2008. but in 2002, only pvt and zvp were played with the understanding that economy focused opening strategies were superior to technology or unit based strategies. sure, in 2002 I'd stay below 600 minerals all game and have good engagements and unit control, and I would have a good understanding of contemporary timings. but if you compare it to a well executed 2012 build order, then I'd enter every 7 minute mark with a significant economical disadvantage.

like, I think especially tvz and pvz have evolved immensely, and I think top zergs from 2002 would feel really lost if they were transported forward in time. whereas I don't think a c+ terran from today would dominate 2002 protosses. people just didn't really have to improve much in pvt over like a 8year timespan, so they didn't. ;p

On August 30 2013 11:58 BigFan wrote:

interesting so if I got his straight, you're saying that your 2008 would be better than 2013 due to superior understanding of the game and both are better than 2002 either due to better micro(2008) or better openings(2013). Did I get that right? Training now should get you better than your 2008 since you'll have the better openings and you'll get your understanding back up negating that advantage that 2008 had?

On August 29 2013 01:57 a176 wrote:
People always seem to mention "how badly BW ended", because of the match fixing and sponsorship issues.

I have never viewed it like that.

For me, it was a non stop ride on the OSL championship train. From 2008 to the very last tving osl, Stork, July, Flash all winning in 2008. To the tyrant's reign in 2009. Fantasy's first championship in 2010. Effort's amazing battle against Flash in 2010 and his first championship.

But it was the final two OSLs that would prove to be the best, and forever be etched in my memory.

Jangbi's storyline in the Jin Air OSL is the stuff of legends. Coming back from abysmal proleague performances, fighting through the wildcard to earn a spot in the ODT. Making it to the final brackets, and removing Flash from the tournament in one of the greatest series in BW history ever. To finally fulfilling the legend of the fall to become OSL champion.

He returned the next season as a repeat championship, playing a dominating protoss style we havent seen in ages. Carriers. Storms. The quintessential definition of what it means to be protoss. And especially Jangbi vs Zero, the greatest PvZ series ever.

This is what I choose to remember of BW and the final OSLs.