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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 16:30:23
July 17 2013 09:51 GMT
#1
We all know how people on these forums love to whine and suggest changes to the balance of various games, so I am interested with what people would come up with in terms of balance changes for chess.
Obviously it doesn't make any sense as the 2 sides are the same, so I guess it is more gameplay changes, but you get the idea.

I'll go first: NERFS: - You can only use the double move forward for pawns 5 times.
This change is self explanatory. The double move that pawns used is currently being abused at all level's of play. It makes it far too easy to attack in a game like chess.
- Castling now requires a pawn as sacrifice.
Currently, the use of castling is slightly too prevalent at the very top tier of play. This is a small change that will hopefully lower the usage of this move slightly. I will be watching the effects of this to see how the pro scene adapts.
- Queens cannot be moved in 2 consecutive turns.
Obviously, the Queen is OP. Too often games are based around moving the queen, which overshadows the lesser pieces.
BUFFS: - The bishop can now take 2 pieces, if they are one behind another.
I find bishops have not been well explored at all levels of play. This is an exploratory buff to see how this changes this piece.
- Added new ability for the pawn, self destruct. (Destroys everything in one square around the pawn, kills the pawn.)
This is designed to help promote micro within chess, and award good play with pawns.

Thoughts? : D
Feel free to suggest changes and I can add them in the to OP.

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[]Phase[]
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 10:14:18
July 17 2013 10:13 GMT
#2
As a player of the white race, I feel like the black race is too OP. Every game I play it just feels like the black race has better units. I suggest nerfs for said race, and buffs for my race. Also, the lead design team for chess has no idea what they are doing.
Now I shall spread my opinion on the official chess forums!
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 10:14:16
July 17 2013 10:13 GMT
#3
The bishop can now take 2 pieces? Oh cool so in 3-5 moves you can gg your opponent as white.

How ridiculous, i hope this is a trollpost

EDIT: Upon further inspection i found a pawn self-destruct.

Troll post, Sarcasm is not your fortay
Useless wet fish.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
July 17 2013 13:56 GMT
#4
I think we should hold off making any balance changes until we have figured out chess with its current balance.
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
July 17 2013 14:04 GMT
#5
On July 17 2013 19:13 Capped wrote:
The bishop can now take 2 pieces? Oh cool so in 3-5 moves you can gg your opponent as white.

How ridiculous, i hope this is a trollpost

EDIT: Upon further inspection i found a pawn self-destruct.

Troll post, Sarcasm is not your fortay

What? It wasn't already obvious with the title being "Balancing Chess"?
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 14:15:03
July 17 2013 14:11 GMT
#6
I think this game is too young for trying to balance it.

We need to know what the win percentage is by race too.

(Actually does it exists ?)

Edit : it does lol =>


Since 1851, compiled statistics support this view; White consistently wins slightly more often than Black, usually scoring between 52 and 56 percent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chess


It's imbalanced !!!! Also i think i played a hacker yesterday. How do i submit my match to review ?
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 17 2013 14:24 GMT
#7
On July 17 2013 23:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
I think this game is too young for trying to balance it.

We need to know what the win percentage is by race too.

(Actually does it exists ?)

Edit : it does lol =>

Show nested quote +

Since 1851, compiled statistics support this view; White consistently wins slightly more often than Black, usually scoring between 52 and 56 percent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chess


It's imbalanced !!!! Also i think i played a hacker yesterday. How do i submit my match to review ?

Best bet if you suspect a hacker is to flip the board.
On July 17 2013 19:13 Capped wrote:
The bishop can now take 2 pieces? Oh cool so in 3-5 moves you can gg your opponent as white.

Please take any complaints to the official forums.
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
July 17 2013 14:37 GMT
#8
I really hate that they haven't fixed black lag yet, white spawns quicker which is bullshit.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 15:00:55
July 17 2013 14:57 GMT
#9
Can i create a new account with a spanish connotation and post my first post here declaring that Karpov and Kasparov are indeed hackers ?

Also my favourite player is the best and your's is utter bullshit and need to learn to play the right way !

By the way i heard that Kasparov has a nice body (etc...)
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
July 17 2013 15:52 GMT
#10
The game balance is fine, the problem is with map design. We need larger maps with more destructible rocks.
Such flammable little insects!
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
July 17 2013 15:56 GMT
#11
Bishop drops op.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
July 17 2013 15:58 GMT
#12
On July 18 2013 00:52 Rannasha wrote:
The game balance is fine, the problem is with map design. We need larger maps with more destructible rocks.


I reported your post. Because you have no idea what you are talking about. Please get off the wood league.
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
July 17 2013 16:13 GMT
#13
Hey Guise, I'm kind of newb at the map editor for Chess but I made a new map and I think it should fix all of these balance issues,,

+ Show Spoiler +
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Please provide feedback and any replays
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 17 2013 16:14 GMT
#14
On July 18 2013 01:13 TheFish7 wrote:
Hey Guise, I'm kind of newb at the map editor for Chess but I made a new map and I think it should fix all of these balance issues,,

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Please provide feedback and any replays


I do like the idea of a watchtowers in a game where you already have complete information
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Marcinko
Profile Joined May 2013
South Africa1014 Posts
July 17 2013 16:19 GMT
#15
The map is clearly not balanced! The White Player has the advantage and I feel that when playing black there is no viable early pressure tactics.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 17 2013 16:31 GMT
#16
On July 18 2013 01:13 TheFish7 wrote:
Hey Guise, I'm kind of newb at the map editor for Chess but I made a new map and I think it should fix all of these balance issues,,

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Please provide feedback and any replays

Anyone willing to play a practice game to test the map changes + changes made to the core units. I will cast it and upload replays.
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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
July 17 2013 17:05 GMT
#17
"Obviously, the Queen is OP. Too often games are based around moving the queen, which overshadows the lesser pieces." you sound like you are balance whining at this point. If you can't beat a moving queen, either you already lost[and need to practice more], or you need to practice more.

However, watchtowers should provide a one-use ability. As soon as the first piece moves onto a watchtower the ability MUST BE USED or the player loses said piece.

Ability: You get to choose what move your opponent makes next. If the move is illegal then said piece on said watchtower is lost and the opposing player is allowed to make his own move.

This will create brand new games and strengthen the defense of black as he can prevent a scholar's mate, queen's gambit, and other strong white openings with a single forced blunder. This is balanced due to the ability of both players to use the watchtowers as early as the first move.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 17:56:26
July 17 2013 17:44 GMT
#18
On July 17 2013 18:51 Zealos wrote:
- Queens cannot be moved in 2 consecutive turns.
Obviously, the Queen is OP. Too often games are based around moving the queen, which overshadows the lesser pieces.



Pssht noob, if you can't deal with the queen, you need to macro more
If I were a rich man, I wouldn't be here
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
July 17 2013 18:18 GMT
#19
it's obvious the pawn is op, you can just make them all game, and they one shot queens, wtf.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 17 2013 18:55 GMT
#20
I propose we add another few abilities.

Give bishops mind control ability to control any pieces adjacent to them (like in real life).
Make horseys kill everything in their path when they move, regardless of color.
Give towers a ranged attack.

Balance achieved.
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