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Choices : The WCS NA Challenger Qualifier Drama - Page 4

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FoxerGames
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia120 Posts
May 05 2013 09:52 GMT
#61
I think the team owner is too generous. I've never seen a successful generous person before... EVER!
I didn't want to work so I didn't.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 05 2013 09:56 GMT
#62
shit happens, the sad part of this is that it seems now the default move for players who feel wronged by a situation is to threaten to leave the tournament and make a reddit drama thread.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
May 05 2013 09:58 GMT
#63
It's great that you are a team manager, yet still realise what players from other teams need. Shows you really care about the scene, thanks for this blog!
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 10:02:22
May 05 2013 10:00 GMT
#64
While I understand Axiom's reasoning for not wanting to mess up the tournament, I strongly disagree with their decision. It's basically a situation where MLG messed up and there's no way to resolve everything without hurting someone. The result, if what I am reading is correct, is that Genna made Miya be the bigger man and take the fall to ensure everyone else is happy. I don't think this is fair at all for Miya. At the end of the day, I know if I was a player, I would expect my manager to look out for my interests and fight for me to the best of their ability, especially if it was a situation where I wasn't at fault for. I mean yes both Miya and Genna should've been more vigilant in keeping track with the tournament dates, BUT it is not their responsibility to fact check the MLG admins.
THF
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom20 Posts
May 05 2013 10:10 GMT
#65
Wax, I've lost all my respect for you after reading this.
binski
Profile Joined December 2010
United States225 Posts
May 05 2013 10:20 GMT
#66
On May 05 2013 19:10 THF wrote:
Wax, I've lost all my respect for you after reading this.


You aren't the only one.
ktimekiller
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States690 Posts
May 05 2013 10:27 GMT
#67
Historically MLG admins give terrible information. I was once at the open bracket 2 years ago and asked if the matches were finished for the day. This was around 6-7 PM. The admin said yes the rounds are finished for the night and if you aren't currently playing, you don't have any games left for the night.

Turns out he was wrong. GG
gamerdude12345
Profile Joined August 2011
Korea (South)378 Posts
May 05 2013 10:32 GMT
#68
On May 05 2013 19:20 binski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 19:10 THF wrote:
Wax, I've lost all my respect for you after reading this.


You aren't the only one.


This isn't the first time he's done this either. Just a bit upsetting to me when TeamLiquid staff are so vehemently opposed to supporting up and coming players. Even r1ch acted like this on twitter



@Unijk @DeMusliM @GennaBain Well Genna wouldn't have had to act this way if Demuslim and Moosegills didn't threaten to fuck up the tourney.
'One does not simply walk into Mordor"
YuiHirasawa
Profile Joined August 2012
Japan220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 10:53:54
May 05 2013 10:37 GMT
#69
[EG] DeMusliMRC: Sorry
If that happens
I forfeit
You're choice
Your*
...
[EG] DeMusliMRC: My problem is that, I didn't receive an email or time either, but I turned up correctly, Have been playing my matches over the course of the last 4 hours / waiting most of the time
As have everybody else
Those who fail to do so, for what ever reason
Should be dealt with equally
And he was forfeited, me and Moosegills are 1-1 in our series now
After 40 minutes of playing we got msged - that we had to end the series
Never mind the initial wait for Miya
Meaning my match with moosegills be void entirely, I have to go back to waiting for an hour, moosegills has to then PLAY a player that he already waited for for 2 hours, then started playing a bo3
As he got walkovered


Even if it's once again because of an MLG complication, not the best sportmanship from Demuslim.
Yet he was so happy to brag about his qualification later on twitter while he used this opportunity to dodge a potentially better than him Korean player.

I am glad the SC2 scene has people like Genna and Totalbiscuit who did more in 6 months than most in years. I didn't think they could bring so much to this scene. They are really improving our microcosm with their integrity, ethics and tournaments. Some larger and wealthier structures should take example.

Fun things are fun
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 11:00:38
May 05 2013 10:44 GMT
#70
Whelp, fucked up situation overall. Now, Axiom, Miya, Demuslim, Moosegill all got damaged in one way or another and while not all of them might have acted the best way they could have, it all comes down to the simple fact: MLG fucked up. Yet again. And again. Big shame on them!

Genna, you acted admirably. You assumed responsibility when you didn't have to, which is a rare character trait to see! Mad props to you.
Get off my lawn, young punks
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
May 05 2013 10:50 GMT
#71
On May 05 2013 19:32 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 19:20 binski wrote:
On May 05 2013 19:10 THF wrote:
Wax, I've lost all my respect for you after reading this.


You aren't the only one.


This isn't the first time he's done this either. Just a bit upsetting to me when TeamLiquid staff are so vehemently opposed to supporting up and coming players. Even r1ch acted like this on twitter

https://twitter.com/R1CH_TL/status/330813615793913856

Show nested quote +
@Unijk @DeMusliM @GennaBain Well Genna wouldn't have had to act this way if Demuslim and Moosegills didn't threaten to fuck up the tourney.


to be fair, R1CH had a point there with Demuslim's forfeit-threat
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 05 2013 11:05 GMT
#72
On May 05 2013 19:32 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 19:20 binski wrote:
On May 05 2013 19:10 THF wrote:
Wax, I've lost all my respect for you after reading this.


You aren't the only one.


This isn't the first time he's done this either. Just a bit upsetting to me when TeamLiquid staff are so vehemently opposed to supporting up and coming players. Even r1ch acted like this on twitter

https://twitter.com/R1CH_TL/status/330813615793913856

Show nested quote +
@Unijk @DeMusliM @GennaBain Well Genna wouldn't have had to act this way if Demuslim and Moosegills didn't threaten to fuck up the tourney.


Supporting up and coming players doesn't mean supporting them in every situation, at any cost. This situation had nothing to do with that particular topic in the first place.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
May 05 2013 11:06 GMT
#73
On May 05 2013 19:32 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 19:20 binski wrote:
On May 05 2013 19:10 THF wrote:
Wax, I've lost all my respect for you after reading this.


You aren't the only one.


This isn't the first time he's done this either. Just a bit upsetting to me when TeamLiquid staff are so vehemently opposed to supporting up and coming players. Even r1ch acted like this on twitter

https://twitter.com/R1CH_TL/status/330813615793913856

Show nested quote +
@Unijk @DeMusliM @GennaBain Well Genna wouldn't have had to act this way if Demuslim and Moosegills didn't threaten to fuck up the tourney.

Who is the "up and coming" player here? Demuslim is quite an established pro in SC2 (and was in WC3). I see no oppositon to an up and coming player here.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
May 05 2013 11:10 GMT
#74
On May 05 2013 20:06 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 19:32 gamerdude12345 wrote:
On May 05 2013 19:20 binski wrote:
On May 05 2013 19:10 THF wrote:
Wax, I've lost all my respect for you after reading this.


You aren't the only one.


This isn't the first time he's done this either. Just a bit upsetting to me when TeamLiquid staff are so vehemently opposed to supporting up and coming players. Even r1ch acted like this on twitter

https://twitter.com/R1CH_TL/status/330813615793913856

@Unijk @DeMusliM @GennaBain Well Genna wouldn't have had to act this way if Demuslim and Moosegills didn't threaten to fuck up the tourney.

Who is the "up and coming" player here? Demuslim is quite an established pro in SC2 (and was in WC3). I see no oppositon to an up and coming player here.

I think he referred to moose, the other player who also felt like they were getting fucked over by MLG.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 11:21:16
May 05 2013 11:20 GMT
#75
I've played in multiple MLG tournaments in the past, mainly in Halo 3 and Reach, and I totally agree that you MUST assume what an admin says is right, and you also MUST leave a player inside the venue at all times because a margin of the time, the scheduled time AND what the admin tells you both will turn out to be wrong.
This has only happened at live tournaments for me, but I assume the same happens with tournaments run through gamebattles.
As much as it is a players' responsibility to know and arrive at the correct time, the inconsistency of MLG's scheduling is a huge flaw that has been rampant for years. I do not particularly blame Miya for this situation, but it is simply horrible for any player. I also believe Moosegills and DemusliM had a RIGHT to threaten to forfeit, after the way the situation unfolded, as DeMusliM, for one has been backed by his own team as deserving an invite to Premier division, I can't imagine he is entirely happy with MLG's workings right now. Moosegills on the other hand is an up and comer who was possibly 1 game from qualifying for the biggest league he may ever get a chance to play in, and being told he has to go back in time and lose all previous results would totally kill your mindset. The players in this situation had a justified aggression towards the situation, I agree, and would have done what they did in the same situation

I would also like to say that, having been a past competitor, I have a huge amount of respect for MLG, and think that they do the very best they can. In my opinion they are not some greedy money hungry company that is out to destroy esports. They are simply a company led by an esports fanatic (who hates the word esports) that is trying pretty damn hard to make things work.

Well that's my rant.
Cheers.
TwitchTV as Maaasked I stream hots (rarely)
lmqtrsful
Profile Joined September 2012
11 Posts
May 05 2013 11:26 GMT
#76
On May 05 2013 19:20 binski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 19:10 THF wrote:
Wax, I've lost all my respect for you after reading this.


You aren't the only one.


It's as if he is purposefully misunderstanding Gills POV.
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
May 05 2013 11:55 GMT
#77
Thanks for this post. Bummer for Miya, but I think you did the right thing.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
May 05 2013 11:59 GMT
#78
It's insane how much people are obsessed with "supporting up and coming players". It really doesn't fucking matter whether you're unknown or a multiple GSL champion. It's about what's fair to everybody.

In the end there's nobody to blame except MLG, once again. Get your shit together ffs. This is supposed to be a glorious event to show off SC2 to the world and the amount of fuckups I'm constantly reading about concerning WCS America is far outweighing the positive news.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
May 05 2013 12:03 GMT
#79
Good god every time I come back to read TL theres is a MLG drama going on. How can tournaments still be this badly managed in their scheduling.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
makk
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom132 Posts
May 05 2013 12:18 GMT
#80
Mistakes happen but the admin should have made an effort to contact Miya when he realised instead of leaving a message when he knew he was asleep.
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