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Choices : The WCS NA Challenger Qualifier Drama - Page 8

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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
May 06 2013 17:07 GMT
#141
On May 07 2013 01:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 00:37 ftjust wrote:
hehehe i got blocked from TB, genna and axiom's twitter after i asked questions about this blog

the aftermath on how MLG tried to fix the problems that occured was just tasteless, a rule is a rule, and the first ruling that is made should stand.

what i belive/think was the problem from the first place is inside axiom, they need to have a good chain of command to follow, and not let their players try to fix everything for themself when the language barrier is so hard.

they should have a white board and a monthly schedule to follow, is that so hard? they did get the correct times in an email 4-5 days prior to challanger league started.

allso wanna give a shoutout to Genna, TB and Axiom even tho im blocked from your twitters im still a fan!


Because you don't know anything. You're one of those people who is desperate to share their opinion even though they don't have all the facts. I have no idea why, it's a strange internet phenomenon. You don't know enough about how Axiom runs, how WCS runs, how MLG operates to intelligently contribute to this discussion.


And your opinion to not let peeps contribute or give them a chance to voice there opinions in a forumtopic, because u believe they do not know enough about the topic, is also a "wierd internet phenomenom"
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 19:26:40
May 06 2013 19:25 GMT
#142
On May 07 2013 02:07 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 01:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 07 2013 00:37 ftjust wrote:
hehehe i got blocked from TB, genna and axiom's twitter after i asked questions about this blog

the aftermath on how MLG tried to fix the problems that occured was just tasteless, a rule is a rule, and the first ruling that is made should stand.

what i belive/think was the problem from the first place is inside axiom, they need to have a good chain of command to follow, and not let their players try to fix everything for themself when the language barrier is so hard.

they should have a white board and a monthly schedule to follow, is that so hard? they did get the correct times in an email 4-5 days prior to challanger league started.

allso wanna give a shoutout to Genna, TB and Axiom even tho im blocked from your twitters im still a fan!


Because you don't know anything. You're one of those people who is desperate to share their opinion even though they don't have all the facts. I have no idea why, it's a strange internet phenomenon. You don't know enough about how Axiom runs, how WCS runs, how MLG operates to intelligently contribute to this discussion.


And your opinion to not let peeps contribute or give them a chance to voice there opinions in a forumtopic, because u believe they do not know enough about the topic, is also a "wierd internet phenomenom"


Although you're trying to be cute, what TB is doing is not an internet phenomenon in any sense of the word, but what that guy TB responded to is doing (demanding acknowledgement of his uninformed opinions) is a weird internet phenomenon.

Ftjust's post states a lot of things as facts when he doesn't really know how Axiom is run, what their chain of command is, etc - he also mistakenly says they should "not let their players try to fix everything for themselves when the language barrier is so hard." Just by reading the information that is publicly available in this thread, he could see that was not what happened. Now do you see why uninformed or uneducated opinions aren't very useful?

I <3 StarCraft.
Gaizokubanou
Profile Joined April 2013
United States61 Posts
May 06 2013 20:14 GMT
#143
On May 07 2013 02:07 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 01:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 07 2013 00:37 ftjust wrote:
hehehe i got blocked from TB, genna and axiom's twitter after i asked questions about this blog

the aftermath on how MLG tried to fix the problems that occured was just tasteless, a rule is a rule, and the first ruling that is made should stand.

what i belive/think was the problem from the first place is inside axiom, they need to have a good chain of command to follow, and not let their players try to fix everything for themself when the language barrier is so hard.

they should have a white board and a monthly schedule to follow, is that so hard? they did get the correct times in an email 4-5 days prior to challanger league started.

allso wanna give a shoutout to Genna, TB and Axiom even tho im blocked from your twitters im still a fan!


Because you don't know anything. You're one of those people who is desperate to share their opinion even though they don't have all the facts. I have no idea why, it's a strange internet phenomenon. You don't know enough about how Axiom runs, how WCS runs, how MLG operates to intelligently contribute to this discussion.


And your opinion to not let peeps contribute or give them a chance to voice there opinions in a forumtopic, because u believe they do not know enough about the topic, is also a "wierd internet phenomenom"


ftjust said "not let their players try to fix everything for themself" without offering any piece of evidence to suggest such behavior from Miya. Every pieces of dialogue we got out of this event so far suggestion that only thing Miya did was ask the admin for time, slept, got confused, let Genna handle things then took the bullet for everyone by following Genna's decision to just go into LB which ended up putting a significant speed bump on his career.

Everything else in his/her post is also simply judgmental, offering nothing to support his/her conclusions. If someone is going to constructively tell team owners that they need to restructure their organization, you need more than "they need to have a good chain of command to follow" and "have a white board and a monthly schedule to follow". Heck, the second part offers nothing because MLG changed schedules in short period of time with admin's words holding the most authority.

Actually nevermind, it did offer something. It showed that either ftjust is either lazy and didn't bother to read the OP/thread, or has poor reading comprehension.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 21:26:36
May 06 2013 21:08 GMT
#144
I did not say he was right or wrong!

But, when u work in a broadcast-able progamingscene like starcraft, u know peeps have alot of different opinions .. some more stupid then the other (or there even biased), its a part of standing in the spotlight. I'ts not all fun and games u know.

And if I were TB, i would be happy someone has an opinion about things happening in the SC2-scene even when there wrong, because it means sc2 is alive and kicking. In the long run this is good for the team aswell. Saying stuff like, u dont know what ur talking about so your opinion does not count is disrepectfull to the scene (even tho he might not ment it in that way). This is TL forum, like reddit, it exsists solely so peeps can give there opinions and share there thoughts/experiences. Thats why i posted my comment and quoted TB.

edit : my opinion on the matter is that MLG proved again they suck in organising this tournament. Everything in WCS NA that could go wrong went wrong. But i dont feel 1 person, like that admin is to blame. It was a simple mistake, but endresult was deadly. I hope he can still work at MLG because u can not blame 1 person for everything that went wrong over multiple WCS-NA qualifiers. I hate symbolpolitics as nobody gains fromthat sort of practices in the longrun.
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Gaizokubanou
Profile Joined April 2013
United States61 Posts
May 07 2013 02:23 GMT
#145
On May 07 2013 06:08 govie wrote:
But, when u work in a broadcast-able progamingscene like starcraft, u know peeps have alot of different opinions .. some more stupid then the other (or there even biased), its a part of standing in the spotlight. I'ts not all fun and games u know.

And if I were TB, i would be happy someone has an opinion about things happening in the SC2-scene even when there wrong, because it means sc2 is alive and kicking. In the long run this is good for the team aswell.


How can it be good for the team if people are going around saying that the said team's management is so poor that it needs to buy a whiteboard and write down their schedule on it (that's like telling pro SC2 players to use the keyboard, more insult than actual advice at all)? I just don't buy the "any kind of publicity is good publicity" even when it comes to entertainment business.

And this isn't an issue about having an opinion (all opinions are biased btw ). There are opinions (Ex., I like/dislike Genna's decision based on the facts I read about this situation), then there are insults based on speculation like what ftjust said. I don't see how such baseless accusations are helpful to team image and the scene at all. As an example, Alien Colonial Marines got huge publicity for SEGA. Awesome! lot of people have opinions about their product which means great things for SEGA... not

Obviously ACM bombing SEGA/Gearbox's image is not in the same ballpark as ftjust talking smack on teamliquid forum, but that's just to provide an example where clearly bad publicity is just bad.
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
May 07 2013 14:59 GMT
#146
On May 07 2013 02:07 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 01:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 07 2013 00:37 ftjust wrote:
hehehe i got blocked from TB, genna and axiom's twitter after i asked questions about this blog

the aftermath on how MLG tried to fix the problems that occured was just tasteless, a rule is a rule, and the first ruling that is made should stand.

what i belive/think was the problem from the first place is inside axiom, they need to have a good chain of command to follow, and not let their players try to fix everything for themself when the language barrier is so hard.

they should have a white board and a monthly schedule to follow, is that so hard? they did get the correct times in an email 4-5 days prior to challanger league started.

allso wanna give a shoutout to Genna, TB and Axiom even tho im blocked from your twitters im still a fan!


Because you don't know anything. You're one of those people who is desperate to share their opinion even though they don't have all the facts. I have no idea why, it's a strange internet phenomenon. You don't know enough about how Axiom runs, how WCS runs, how MLG operates to intelligently contribute to this discussion.


And your opinion to not let peeps contribute or give them a chance to voice there opinions in a forumtopic, because u believe they do not know enough about the topic, is also a "wierd internet phenomenom"


He didn't block him from TeamLiquid, he blocked him from his twitter. If TB doesn't want to put up with ftjust's opinions, it's his right. People should stop complaining all the time about everything...
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
ftjust
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden43 Posts
May 07 2013 15:02 GMT
#147
On May 07 2013 02:07 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 01:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 07 2013 00:37 ftjust wrote:
hehehe i got blocked from TB, genna and axiom's twitter after i asked questions about this blog

the aftermath on how MLG tried to fix the problems that occured was just tasteless, a rule is a rule, and the first ruling that is made should stand.

what i belive/think was the problem from the first place is inside axiom, they need to have a good chain of command to follow, and not let their players try to fix everything for themself when the language barrier is so hard.

they should have a white board and a monthly schedule to follow, is that so hard? they did get the correct times in an email 4-5 days prior to challanger league started.

allso wanna give a shoutout to Genna, TB and Axiom even tho im blocked from your twitters im still a fan!


Because you don't know anything. You're one of those people who is desperate to share their opinion even though they don't have all the facts. I have no idea why, it's a strange internet phenomenon. You don't know enough about how Axiom runs, how WCS runs, how MLG operates to intelligently contribute to this discussion.



And your opinion to not let peeps contribute or give them a chance to voice there opinions in a forumtopic, because u believe they do not know enough about the topic, is also a "wierd internet phenomenom"



dont wanna just ramble on since the topic is so infected anyways but TB based his whole career from telling the world of his opinions, but when anyone else says something they are the problem and they are jackasses and they deserv to be harassed by the TB twitter army.

second, i dont know how axiom runs and i dont know all the ins and outs of WCS but the first line in the post said we recived and email with the schedule, and still their was mixups this is not trying to attack axiom tb or genna as i said im a fan. this is to esports in general and i brought it up on twitter because i wanted to discuss with others and hear their opinions only to get attacked by tb and some tb fans on twitter
their have been so many mistakes in esports so much drama (less latley actully) and its all contirbute to alot of really simple things and silly mistakes that would never ever happen in a real workplace, and im frustrated i think progamers and teams need to step up and take this more serious. their is actully alot of people making alot of money in this scene now and i demand more, i both subscibe, in alot of diffrent channels twitch yourtube, follow diffrent esport league where i pay to watch and i watch shoutcrafts and tip the tip jarr. for what? and im not entitled 1 little bit of criticism without pitchforks up my ass

rant rant im really dissapointed in the outcome of this.








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