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On September 23 2013 02:45 Sooooil wrote:
10€ minimum wage makes so many jobs disappear. At our local movie theatre they normally pay something like 8€ (same for McD). They will be hurt, every farmer who needs seasonal worker will suffer and some of them won't be able to survive.
As for the "more taxes means more low paid jobs"-part: The jobs which earn you more than 100k are normally not jobs were just can employ some unemployed guy with no degree. These are jobs which require atleast some kind of deeper knowledge. You can't just use some random guy for these positions.
As you said, theoretically it's good but it just won't work properly in reality.
It's not about an exact number , it's about the idea in general . First rule of negotionating is allways starting with an unrealistic goal that you don't get screwed over too far when you undoubtly will have to make compromises.
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I have always loved that train of thought. Raise the taxes and more people will become nurses because... more people will study to be nurses because... higher taxes?
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On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster.
yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence.
Especially because its so close.
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On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close.
I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I want an opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth.
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On September 23 2013 03:05 Yuljan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close. I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I actually want an actual opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth.
I think 2% gets awfully close to a number that would allow the NPD to enter and thats not a pleasant thought.
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On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster.
I know, that this is´nt the right place to discuss our general election system, but atm. it looks like this:
Germany has 80 million people, of which about 60 million are allowed to vote. That is about 75%. Out of those about 70% voted, and out of those about 42,5% voted CDU/CSU. So in the end, the CDU/CSU will probably rule 100% of the population, becuase they got elected by 0,75*0,7*0,425=0,223125, so about 22% of it.
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i fucking hate everyone who voted for merkel.....omg -.-
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On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close.
It's the first time this happened in all those years and will probably remain the last time, so don't worry.
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On September 23 2013 01:22 Blurio wrote:
To be honest, it was like that before. FDP doesn't do anything anyway. I do not know why so many people voted black. I hate Merkel so much for sitting out everything.
So you rather have a government that reacts quickly and does not reconsider facts and does not evaluate developement.
I think Merkels way is very good, not shiny, not outspoken and not IN YOUR FACE but also not "wrong".
Even if Steinbrück had won, he would act more like merkel when in office.
Also "hate" is a very strong word.
Great power brings great responsibilities :D
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in this case, hate is pretty accurate
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On September 22 2013 19:54 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 19:28 PraefektMotus wrote:
So, just voted AfD. Time to shake things up a little bit. You just want to watch the world burn. Be honest. Reintroducing the mark, stopping many obligations we have with the EU. No one can tell where that will lead. I voted pirates. My vote will make roughly 0.00...001% anyway, but I just wish we finally get some proper internet laws.
There's two reasons that I voted AfD, and they're not about reintroducing the DM because that actually seems a bit backwards in this day and age.
1) It has become commonplace that the EU will break ANY rule it is built on to keep the markets quiet. There is not a single electable party that talks about this except the AfD. No bailouts, Maastricht rules, independence of the ECB, it's all out the window, nobody gives a fuck. The stability and integrity of the EU, which is supposed to be our future, is more and more compromised.
2) Nobody talks about the fact that the German populace was never ASKED a damn thing. We weren't asked about the Euro, the ESM or anything. EU and German politicians just ordered us to engage in massive commitments without ever getting actual approval. This huge democratic deficit cannot stand, and the AfD wishes to introduce more direct referendums.
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303 of 606 for cdu ... 1 seat missing for only cdu
On September 23 2013 03:13 PraefektMotus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 19:54 Mataza wrote:On September 22 2013 19:28 PraefektMotus wrote:
So, just voted AfD. Time to shake things up a little bit. You just want to watch the world burn. Be honest. Reintroducing the mark, stopping many obligations we have with the EU. No one can tell where that will lead. I voted pirates. My vote will make roughly 0.00...001% anyway, but I just wish we finally get some proper internet laws. There's two reasons that I voted AfD, and they're not about reintroducing the DM because that actually seems a bit backwards in this day and age. 1) It has become commonplace that the EU will break ANY rule it is built on to keep the markets quiet. There is not a single electable party that talks about this except the AfD. No bailouts, Maastricht rules, independence of the ECB, it's all out the window, nobody gives a fuck. The stability and integrity of the EU, which is supposed to be our future, is more and more compromised. 2) Nobody talks about the fact that the German populace was never ASKED a damn thing. We weren't asked about the Euro, the ESM or anything. EU and German politicians just ordered us to engage in massive commitments without ever getting actual approval. This huge democratic deficit cannot stand, and the AfD wishes to introduce more direct referendums.
the problem is afd is made by the elite they akt like they would be your voice, they are just a hardcore fdp who tricked you alot
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On September 23 2013 03:08 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. I know, that this is´nt the right place to discuss our general election system, but atm. it looks like this: Germany has 80 million people, of which about 60 million are allowed to vote. That is about 75%. Out of those about 70% voted, and out of those about 42,5% voted CDU/CSU. So in the end, the CDU/CSU will probably rule 100% of the population, becuase they got elected by 0,75*0,7*0,425=0,223125, so about 22% of it.
the 30% nonvoters chose to support all parties according to their results. Noone forced them to not vote.
This time was had 2 parties very close to 5%, so thats unfortunate.
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On September 23 2013 03:07 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:05 Yuljan wrote:On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close. I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I actually want an actual opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth. I think 2% gets awfully close to a number that would allow the NPD to enter and thats not a pleasant thought.
Yeah, what's NPD's result today btw? Does someone know?
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Its kinda ironic that the FDP tried to "lend" votes from the CDU on the hustings to somehow make 5%. The CDU was not amused and wanted all the votes.
In retrospect they would probably be happier if they had "lent" them 0.5% so the FDP can take the 5% hurdle and continue the current coalition instead of looking for a new partner.
The FDP does seem like an easier partner than SPD or the greens.
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On September 23 2013 03:14 Drake wrote:303 of 606 for cdu ... 1 seat missing for only cdu Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:13 PraefektMotus wrote:On September 22 2013 19:54 Mataza wrote:On September 22 2013 19:28 PraefektMotus wrote:
So, just voted AfD. Time to shake things up a little bit. You just want to watch the world burn. Be honest. Reintroducing the mark, stopping many obligations we have with the EU. No one can tell where that will lead. I voted pirates. My vote will make roughly 0.00...001% anyway, but I just wish we finally get some proper internet laws. There's two reasons that I voted AfD, and they're not about reintroducing the DM because that actually seems a bit backwards in this day and age. 1) It has become commonplace that the EU will break ANY rule it is built on to keep the markets quiet. There is not a single electable party that talks about this except the AfD. No bailouts, Maastricht rules, independence of the ECB, it's all out the window, nobody gives a fuck. The stability and integrity of the EU, which is supposed to be our future, is more and more compromised. 2) Nobody talks about the fact that the German populace was never ASKED a damn thing. We weren't asked about the Euro, the ESM or anything. EU and German politicians just ordered us to engage in massive commitments without ever getting actual approval. This huge democratic deficit cannot stand, and the AfD wishes to introduce more direct referendums. the problem is afd is made by the elite they akt like they would be your voice, they are just a hardcore fdp who tricked you alot
Well maybe that's your perception. As it stands, no party tackled those problems except them.
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FDP is Out im so happy this fukin shit Party is out... Gysi is our man!
Red till death!
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So Germany is CDU only? No FPD?
Somehow that sounds very nice 
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On September 23 2013 03:19 Incognoto wrote:So Germany is CDU only? No FPD? Somehow that sounds very nice
Its a Nightmare.
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On September 23 2013 03:16 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:07 s3rp wrote:On September 23 2013 03:05 Yuljan wrote:On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close. I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I actually want an actual opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth. I think 2% gets awfully close to a number that would allow the NPD to enter and thats not a pleasant thought. Yeah, what's NPD's result today btw? Does someone know?
Around 1.2% according to TAZ
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