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On September 23 2013 03:20 quaZa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:19 Incognoto wrote:So Germany is CDU only? No FPD? Somehow that sounds very nice  Its a Nightmare.
wait! my bad
i meant that it was CDU only and no SPD
fpd out is indeed a shame i think because i kind of like their views
sorry 
i don't like communism lol ^^
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same people who cry about absolute majority would be whining about CDU/FDP, haha
man you are all so funny, ask France they had a 180° turn around, was it good? XD
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On September 23 2013 03:22 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:20 quaZa wrote:On September 23 2013 03:19 Incognoto wrote:So Germany is CDU only? No FPD? Somehow that sounds very nice Its a Nightmare. wait! my bad i meant that it was CDU only and no SPD fpd out is indeed a shame i think because i kind of like their views sorry i don't like communism lol ^^
I am Socialist...Thats why i elected the Left.
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On September 23 2013 03:22 smr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:16 Musicus wrote:On September 23 2013 03:07 s3rp wrote:On September 23 2013 03:05 Yuljan wrote:On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close. I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I actually want an actual opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth. I think 2% gets awfully close to a number that would allow the NPD to enter and thats not a pleasant thought. Yeah, what's NPD's result today btw? Does someone know? Around 1.2% according to TAZ
Ok thanks. That's half a million idiots more or less .
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On September 23 2013 03:22 sharkie wrote:
same people who cry about absolute majority would be whining about CDU/FDP, haha
man you are all so funny, ask France they had a 180° turn around, was it good? XD
No. And as long as they are part of the eurozone (especially with Germany in it) it will never be good.
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4 more years with Merkel, bleh
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@ Incognito The Left arent Communists...They are Democratic Socialists u want too see Communist Geman Partys? google MLPD or KPD...There u see The Communist Partys...
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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
On September 23 2013 03:22 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:20 quaZa wrote:On September 23 2013 03:19 Incognoto wrote:So Germany is CDU only? No FPD? Somehow that sounds very nice Its a Nightmare. wait! my bad i meant that it was CDU only and no SPD fpd out is indeed a shame i think because i kind of like their views sorry i don't like communism lol ^^
lol communism xD ^^^^^^^^ xDddd
No (relevant) german party stands for communism and no, social equity is not communism.
This is a horrible endresult, I am ashamed for my country.
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On September 23 2013 03:22 smr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:16 Musicus wrote:On September 23 2013 03:07 s3rp wrote:On September 23 2013 03:05 Yuljan wrote:On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close. I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I actually want an actual opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth. I think 2% gets awfully close to a number that would allow the NPD to enter and thats not a pleasant thought. Yeah, what's NPD's result today btw? Does someone know? Around 1.2% according to TAZ
That is... depressing. Just wow
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On September 23 2013 03:14 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:08 Xoronius wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. I know, that this is´nt the right place to discuss our general election system, but atm. it looks like this: Germany has 80 million people, of which about 60 million are allowed to vote. That is about 75%. Out of those about 70% voted, and out of those about 42,5% voted CDU/CSU. So in the end, the CDU/CSU will probably rule 100% of the population, becuase they got elected by 0,75*0,7*0,425=0,223125, so about 22% of it. the 30% nonvoters chose to support all parties according to their results. Noone forced them to not vote. This time was had 2 parties very close to 5%, so thats unfortunate.
Yeah, sure, the non-voters have themselves to blame and it is also surely a good thing that 6 year olds or something aren´t allowed to vote either (Otherwise, we might get NPD-guys give out candy at schools again [Yes, that actually happened during a state election]). But still, I don´t see a good reason, why we could´nt lower the 5%-limit to 3 or 4 percent. There are quite a few parties (and with that votes), that would get in and the joke parties (Die Partei and stuff) would still be out.
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On September 23 2013 03:31 Melliflue wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:22 smr wrote:On September 23 2013 03:16 Musicus wrote:On September 23 2013 03:07 s3rp wrote:On September 23 2013 03:05 Yuljan wrote:On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close. I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I actually want an actual opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth. I think 2% gets awfully close to a number that would allow the NPD to enter and thats not a pleasant thought. Yeah, what's NPD's result today btw? Does someone know? Around 1.2% according to TAZ That is... depressing. Just wow
what is depressing? so much? so few? that the source is from the taz?
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On September 23 2013 03:30 Greenei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:22 Incognoto wrote:On September 23 2013 03:20 quaZa wrote:On September 23 2013 03:19 Incognoto wrote:So Germany is CDU only? No FPD? Somehow that sounds very nice Its a Nightmare. wait! my bad i meant that it was CDU only and no SPD fpd out is indeed a shame i think because i kind of like their views sorry i don't like communism lol ^^ lol communism xD ^^^^^^^^ xDddd No german (relevant) party stands for communism and no, social equity is not communism. This is a horrible endresult, I am ashamed for my country.
The only thing that is shameful is reading some people opinion, yours included.
But guess you really shouldn't read political dicussions online, in those the vocal majority is rather stupid
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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
On September 23 2013 03:33 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:30 Greenei wrote:On September 23 2013 03:22 Incognoto wrote:On September 23 2013 03:20 quaZa wrote:On September 23 2013 03:19 Incognoto wrote:So Germany is CDU only? No FPD? Somehow that sounds very nice Its a Nightmare. wait! my bad i meant that it was CDU only and no SPD fpd out is indeed a shame i think because i kind of like their views sorry i don't like communism lol ^^ lol communism xD ^^^^^^^^ xDddd No german (relevant) party stands for communism and no, social equity is not communism. This is a horrible endresult, I am ashamed for my country. The only thing that is shameful is reading some people opinion, yours included. But guess you really shouldn't read political dicussions online, in those the vocal majority is rather stupid
So you are telling me that I'm wrong? What exactly? Are there relevant communist parties in Germany or does social equity mean communism? Tell me
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On September 23 2013 03:32 75 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:31 Melliflue wrote:On September 23 2013 03:22 smr wrote:On September 23 2013 03:16 Musicus wrote:On September 23 2013 03:07 s3rp wrote:On September 23 2013 03:05 Yuljan wrote:On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close. I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I actually want an actual opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth. I think 2% gets awfully close to a number that would allow the NPD to enter and thats not a pleasant thought. Yeah, what's NPD's result today btw? Does someone know? Around 1.2% according to TAZ That is... depressing. Just wow what is depressing? so much? so few? that the source is from the taz?
so much, yo
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On September 23 2013 03:33 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:30 Greenei wrote:On September 23 2013 03:22 Incognoto wrote:On September 23 2013 03:20 quaZa wrote:On September 23 2013 03:19 Incognoto wrote:So Germany is CDU only? No FPD? Somehow that sounds very nice Its a Nightmare. wait! my bad i meant that it was CDU only and no SPD fpd out is indeed a shame i think because i kind of like their views sorry i don't like communism lol ^^ lol communism xD ^^^^^^^^ xDddd No german (relevant) party stands for communism and no, social equity is not communism. This is a horrible endresult, I am ashamed for my country. The only thing that is shameful is reading some people opinion, yours included. But guess you really shouldn't read political dicussions online, in those the vocal majority is rather stupid
I guess u voted FDP? calm down buddy i give u some tissues later
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On September 23 2013 03:35 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:32 75 wrote:On September 23 2013 03:31 Melliflue wrote:On September 23 2013 03:22 smr wrote:On September 23 2013 03:16 Musicus wrote:On September 23 2013 03:07 s3rp wrote:On September 23 2013 03:05 Yuljan wrote:On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close. I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I actually want an actual opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth. I think 2% gets awfully close to a number that would allow the NPD to enter and thats not a pleasant thought. Yeah, what's NPD's result today btw? Does someone know? Around 1.2% according to TAZ That is... depressing. Just wow what is depressing? so much? so few? that the source is from the taz? so much, yo
less than 2005. probably because some voted for AfD
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On September 23 2013 03:23 quaZa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:22 Incognoto wrote:On September 23 2013 03:20 quaZa wrote:On September 23 2013 03:19 Incognoto wrote:So Germany is CDU only? No FPD? Somehow that sounds very nice Its a Nightmare. wait! my bad i meant that it was CDU only and no SPD fpd out is indeed a shame i think because i kind of like their views sorry i don't like communism lol ^^ I am Socialist...Thats why i elected the Left.
I believe you that you would like to be a socialist, but voting for the Left doesn't make you one.
Chances are:
- you haven't even read the party's agenda
- you have no idea where a significant portion of the party's members stem from and how morally bankrupt they are
- you're either incapable of contemplating over semi-complex systems or simply refuse to do so
Overall, chances are that you wasted your vote on a party that neither represents your ideals, nor has any capability of implementing what you wished for even if they were elected into power.
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On September 23 2013 03:07 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:05 Yuljan wrote:On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close. I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I actually want an actual opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth. I think 2% gets awfully close to a number that would allow the NPD to enter and thats not a pleasant thought.
Dunno, seeing what happened each time they got into a Landtag, the NPD getting into Bundestag once isn't really that bad. Each time they got into basically any parliament, they started acting even more stupid then otherwise and lost a lot of support due to that.
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the only upside in this vote is fdp<5%
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On September 23 2013 03:32 75 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:31 Melliflue wrote:On September 23 2013 03:22 smr wrote:On September 23 2013 03:16 Musicus wrote:On September 23 2013 03:07 s3rp wrote:On September 23 2013 03:05 Yuljan wrote:On September 23 2013 03:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On September 23 2013 02:56 LaNague wrote:On September 23 2013 02:52 Scorch wrote:
With the FDP, AfD and other parties failing to get into the Bundestag, a whopping 15% of votes basically go to waste. This means that the CDU's 42% may be enough to win an absolute majority in seats. I consider any one party government problematic for the democracy, and certainly one with only 42% of the popular vote. this system was developed for good reasons as other systems ended in disaster. yeah that system is important but when 15% are not represented in parliament then thats a bad consequence. Especially because its so close. I think 2% would be enough of a hurdle to keep the troubesome small parties from interrupting the Bundestag too much. But maybe its just because I actually want an actual opposition that does not consider Cuba a paradise on Earth. I think 2% gets awfully close to a number that would allow the NPD to enter and thats not a pleasant thought. Yeah, what's NPD's result today btw? Does someone know? Around 1.2% according to TAZ That is... depressing. Just wow what is depressing? so much? so few? that the source is from the taz?
That it is so many. It must mean a few hundred thousand voted for them. That's a lot of people who make me kinda nervous.
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