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Top30 Foreigner Ranking, April 2013

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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 16:36:08
April 22 2013 16:33 GMT
#1
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Please tell ur friends, state ur opinion in this thread, rate the blog and go on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1cvdkw/top_30_foreigner_ranking_april_2013/



About me and the ranking (updated raking system)

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Hi TeamLiquid (and reddit),

I'm DiaBoLuS, a german low gm protoss player in HotS and 6 time GM in WoL. I play sc2 since the release of the beta and I watch a shitton of professional SC2 – basically all major tournaments, many online cups and ladderstreams as well. Also, im obsessed with rankings!
Therefore, i post a foreigner rankings for about a year now, and i plan to keep posting rankings on a monthly basis in the future. When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire.


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How do i make my ranking? Which criteria do i have?
My personal ranking watches mostly on results, but also on how they where achieved. Also, ladder-performances as well as past, major results play a role in my ranking – as well as my general impression of a player (does he seem talented / cheesy / cant seem show off his full potential somehow). Activity obviously also plays a role – you cant call a player you never get to see one of the absolute best in my opinion.

Added new ranking system:
roughly
75% = my own rank /// 25% = aligulac.com rank.
both ranks will be shown in the players pictures, comulating in one rank.

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30* means 30+ or rank 30-40.

Also, only the Top30 players will be shown, not the 20-25 players following. There will possibly be a small list of the 5 players coming the closest to Top30.

So when criticizing the ranking, please talk specifically about my personal rank given, not the comulated rank, since the aligulac rank isnt influenced by me

too make things easier:
(my own rank [3x] / aligulac rank [1x])






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Players that came closest to Top 30

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Fraer
elfi
Strelok
SortOf
JohnnyRecco








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TOP 10
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Poll: Top 10: Most overrated?

Stephano (20)
 
47%

NaNiwa (7)
 
16%

VortiX (4)
 
9%

Kas (4)
 
9%

Scarlett (3)
 
7%

Lucifron (2)
 
5%

Nerchio (1)
 
2%

Happy (1)
 
2%

can't tell (1)
 
2%

MaNa (0)
 
0%

Snute (0)
 
0%

43 total votes

Your vote: Top 10: Most overrated?

(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): VortiX
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): MaNa
(Vote): Kas
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Happy
(Vote): can't tell




Poll: Top 10: Most underrated?

NaNiwa (8)
 
35%

Snute (5)
 
22%

VortiX (2)
 
9%

Kas (2)
 
9%

Happy (2)
 
9%

Lucifron (1)
 
4%

Scarlett (1)
 
4%

Nerchio (1)
 
4%

MaNa (1)
 
4%

Stephano (0)
 
0%

can't tell (0)
 
0%

23 total votes

Your vote: Top 10: Most underrated?

(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): VortiX
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): MaNa
(Vote): Kas
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Happy
(Vote): can't tell





RANK 11-20
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Poll: Top 20: Most overrated?

Bly (5)
 
22%

Ret (4)
 
17%

goswser (4)
 
17%

ThorZaiN (3)
 
13%

TLO (3)
 
13%

mOOnGlaDe (2)
 
9%

Feast (1)
 
4%

can't tell (1)
 
4%

SaSe (0)
 
0%

Dayshi (0)
 
0%

DeMusliM (0)
 
0%

23 total votes

Your vote: Top 20: Most overrated?

(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): ThorZaiN
(Vote): Bly
(Vote): Ret
(Vote): TLO
(Vote): Dayshi
(Vote): DeMusliM
(Vote): Feast
(Vote): goswser
(Vote): mOOnGlaDe
(Vote): can't tell




Poll: Top 20: Most underrated?

DeMusliM (14)
 
48%

Dayshi (4)
 
14%

TLO (3)
 
10%

Feast (2)
 
7%

goswser (2)
 
7%

SaSe (1)
 
3%

ThorZaiN (1)
 
3%

Bly (1)
 
3%

mOOnGlaDe (1)
 
3%

Ret (0)
 
0%

can't tell (0)
 
0%

29 total votes

Your vote: Top 20: Most underrated?

(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): ThorZaiN
(Vote): Bly
(Vote): Ret
(Vote): TLO
(Vote): Dayshi
(Vote): DeMusliM
(Vote): Feast
(Vote): goswser
(Vote): mOOnGlaDe
(Vote): can't tell





RANK 21-30
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Poll: Top 30: Most overrated?

HuK (10)
 
40%

MajOr (6)
 
24%

Welmu (4)
 
16%

Socke (2)
 
8%

TitaN (2)
 
8%

Bunny (1)
 
4%

HasuObs (0)
 
0%

BabyKnight (0)
 
0%

Grubby (0)
 
0%

sLivko (0)
 
0%

can't tell (0)
 
0%

25 total votes

Your vote: Top 30: Most overrated?

(Vote): HasuObs
(Vote): BabyKnight
(Vote): Socke
(Vote): Bunny
(Vote): HuK
(Vote): Welmu
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): MajOr
(Vote): sLivko
(Vote): TitaN
(Vote): can't tell




Poll: Top 30: Most underrated?

BabyKnight (5)
 
21%

MajOr (5)
 
21%

HuK (4)
 
17%

Welmu (3)
 
13%

Socke (2)
 
8%

TitaN (2)
 
8%

HasuObs (1)
 
4%

Bunny (1)
 
4%

Grubby (1)
 
4%

sLivko (0)
 
0%

can't tell (0)
 
0%

24 total votes

Your vote: Top 30: Most underrated?

(Vote): HasuObs
(Vote): BabyKnight
(Vote): Socke
(Vote): Bunny
(Vote): HuK
(Vote): Welmu
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): MajOr
(Vote): sLivko
(Vote): TitaN
(Vote): can't tell







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March 2012
April 2012
May 2012
June 2012
July 2012
August 2012
September 2012
October 2012
November 2012
December 2012 (1)
December 2012 (2)
January 2013
March 2013





Thanks, I hope u had a nice read!




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DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Ireniicas
Profile Joined April 2013
66 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 16:58:49
April 22 2013 16:57 GMT
#2
Terrans are going to climb higher with current meta, expect Lucifron going to number 1 and Bunny hopping up to top 20
Ireniicas
Profile Joined April 2013
66 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 16:58:35
April 22 2013 16:58 GMT
#3
oberkapo
Profile Joined July 2012
United States41 Posts
April 22 2013 17:08 GMT
#4
what o.o what were stephano's last results that gratify his no.1 spot?
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
April 22 2013 17:10 GMT
#5
Yeah why is stephano still up there, he's done like nothing since hots oo
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45321 Posts
April 22 2013 17:11 GMT
#6
DeMusliM's a lot lower than I would have guessed... does this take into account the + Show Spoiler +
WCS AM rounds?


The rest are fine/ close enough to what I would have guessed... or I just don't care enough about a few of them to make any comments
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
April 22 2013 17:22 GMT
#7
Bly is still the sexiest progamer out there. #1 in my heart!
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 22 2013 17:23 GMT
#8
simply put: if i had to take one foreigner to play in code S and do well, i would take stephano over anyone. simply because hes the best. thats my opinion, he didnt do anything bad enough to change that opinion.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
April 22 2013 17:26 GMT
#9
Real happy to see Dayshi there, and I think he's placed well. But he will keep climbing!
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
April 22 2013 17:35 GMT
#10
Huks got something to say about this for sure
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 17:40:31
April 22 2013 17:39 GMT
#11
I'm looking at your personal ratings like you asked and I'm curious what makes you rank Naniwa > Lucifron and Snute only at 12 when he recently beat HyuN in a bo9 as well as leads him 9-7 overall in the last month (12-7 if you go a few days before that), beat Mana in their only meeting (who you ranked 4), won ESET UK Masters, and is rated highly by the computers. Mainly I'm wondering what made you put Snute behind Ret, Thorzain, and Sase specifically, and I think you could argue him to potentially go higher although it would be close.
Thorzain's matches since your last blog
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(T)ThorZaIN 2–1 (T)SjoW
(T)ThorZaIN 2-0 (P)SaSe
(T)ThorZaIN 2-0 avokado
(T)ThorZaIN 2–0 (Z)LaLuSh
(T)ThorZaIN 2–0 (T)SjoW
(T)ThorZaIN 0–3 (P)herO[jOin]
(T)ThorZaIN 3–2 (P)Creator
(T)ThorZaIN 0–1 (P)jim
(T)ThorZaIN 0–1 (Z)JonSnow

The only result I'd consider impressive is beating Creator 3-2, which is a good result, but Creator still hasn't looked nearly in good in HoTS as he did in WoL. He beat a bunch of Swedish players, but none of them have really accomplished much recently, and the only one you/aligulac has rated decently is Sase. Then he has 0-3 loss to CJ hero and losses to Jim and JonSnow in team leagues. Just doesnt stand out as a top 10 foreigner type month to me. I guess you're just saying he won enough games and didnt really lose enough to justify dropping him?
As for Sase, I think it's pretty hard to draw any conclusions for him because he's basically only played against TW players for the last month, beating up guys that SEn has an over 90% win rate against if I remember the numbers from last season. I understand Snute stumbled a little when first switching to HoTS, but he's playing very well right now.

I like these blogs, though. They are interesting and I like to see other perspectives.
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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
April 22 2013 18:32 GMT
#12
I like how according to the current polls Huk is both the most underrated and the most overrated player in 21-30. Maybe that means he's actually right where he's supposed to be?
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Fizzy
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden388 Posts
April 22 2013 19:38 GMT
#13
I enjoy that Stephano has been your number 1 choice for every ranking so far :p
Mvp - Grubby - NaNiwa - Alliance DOTA2 <3
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 22 2013 19:53 GMT
#14
thanks for the feedback guys, will keep going obviously.

stephano has been close to drop to rank 2 3 times now, this month included. its just hard to call any foreigner better than him without a great major tournament result
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
FatNikE
Profile Joined March 2013
United Kingdom52 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 22:03:12
April 22 2013 22:02 GMT
#15
Demuslim too low, Vortix far, far+ Show Spoiler +
far, far, far, far
too high.

The rest of these are perfectly acceptable.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 22 2013 23:15 GMT
#16
On April 23 2013 07:02 FatNikE wrote:
Demuslim too low, Vortix far, far+ Show Spoiler +
far, far, far, far
too high.

The rest of these are perfectly acceptable.

Still not taking you seriously.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 23 2013 11:51 GMT
#17
On April 23 2013 07:02 FatNikE wrote:
Demuslim too low, Vortix far, far+ Show Spoiler +
far, far, far, far
too high.

The rest of these are perfectly acceptable.


I dont know why you hate vortix so much, it has to be some personal issue though.
He isnt #2 on aligulac for no reason, its not like he didnt have results in hots, although almost all of them are online (to be fair, there havent been many offline events yet)
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 10:55:53
April 28 2013 10:47 GMT
#18
I don´t really see, why major is on 24 in your list. Putting him above Socke, Strelok, Welmu, Bunny, moonglade or SortOf just seems wrong, his last results were a loss against terminator (which I can not really blame him for) and some SEA online cup, where he lost to Mafia. I know he is practising with T8 but if ranks are based on teams, Fenix also could be in there.

Otherwise it is good, maybe ThorZaiN and Goswser should be a bit lower, Welmu a bit higher and Strelok/SortOf/Heromarine somewhere in there, but you can´t fit everyone in and as this was written pre-DH, rating those a bit lower can be forgiven.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
April 28 2013 11:49 GMT
#19
Stephano won't be ranked first in the next one, will he?
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
April 28 2013 12:35 GMT
#20
This list needs to be updated, Naniwa to #1 !
"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." - Bruce Lee
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