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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On March 10 2013 02:03 micronesia wrote: I did a little looking into this finally... any idea how to learn this? This software starts at 1000 dollars! Torrents. | ||
micronesia
United States24637 Posts
I look forward to the interview question: so how did you learn LabView? XD | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On March 10 2013 02:05 micronesia wrote: I look forward to the interview question: so how did you learn LabView? XD Why would they care? As if all the design company's care that pretty much everyone they hired torrented Photoshop at some point ^.^. Frankly, photoshop is easily crackable because they want individuals to use their products because when they start working at company's/start their own company they will have to buy the product they got used too or they can face legal action. Probably the same for this piece of software. You can tell them you learned it in your own spare time because you were bored and it seemed like a good idea. That will show them your great work ethic  | ||
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moktira
Ireland1543 Posts
On March 10 2013 01:18 micronesia wrote: This is a great post. Unfortunately, I can't find any evidence to support many of the claims (this may just be my fault). I've been searching all morning for job listings which accept entry level physics grads, and am coming up with almost nothing. I found a few things which require very specialized knowledge, a few things which require years of experience, a few things which require a strong programming background, and other things which block the typical physics grad despite listing a physics bachelors as a possible qualifying credential. I didn't find much for lab technicians, although I'll keep looking. I haven't searched for observatories as those tend to be far away from where you/I live. Maybe I'm just not good at job searching, and am missing lots of great examples. It seems like the biggest hurdle to getting a job for a physics graduate is if they don't know a lot of coding... Well what I said was certainly anecdotal based on people I know and have met over the last few years in my field, also it's worth pointing out (similar to what Recognizable said) that these were all in Europe (and mostly Ireland) and also that I graduated in 2007 so I'm giving you 5 year old information in the wrong region. Still, if you wish I can find evidence to back it up in Ireland and probably the UK and Europe too but it could indeed be very different in the US. I just glanced at some websites that I have looked at in the past and they might give some indication rather than general searching. inspire for example is good and is US based, though mostly academic there are jobs for graduates listed too. PhysicsToday also gives a good list and I've applied the filter for degree here. Non-US; tip-top through IOP which seems to have changed to brightrecruits since I was last on it gives a good list in Europe and, again while mostly in academia, there are positions aimed at graduates in the two links I provided. The IOP have advice on this in the UK which might be applicable in the US too. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
get into Finance because a Physics degree is a pretty good indicator that you're smarter than most Finance majors and you'll be able to understand the math side of Finance and work with the algorithms that influence/predict financial markets make bank | ||
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micronesia
United States24637 Posts
On March 10 2013 04:06 udgnim wrote: get into Finance Can you elaborate on this part...? | ||
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farvacola
United States18820 Posts
Well, one could take the Uniform Certified Public Accountant Examination. Even if you only have the "inactive CPA" designation, a CPA with a physics degree would probably find a job in finance fairly quickly. | ||
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micronesia
United States24637 Posts
On March 10 2013 04:31 farvacola wrote: Well, one could take the Uniform Certified Public Accountant Examination. Even if you only have the "inactive CPA" designation, a CPA with a physics degree would probably find a job in finance fairly quickly. I was just reading through the material covered on that exam... not much of it was covered in my physics degree. How would someone go about passing this test without training? A tremendous amount of self-study? I've heard the exam to become a CPA is not easy; I think a cousin of mine took it several times before he passed (this was many years ago, though). | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On March 10 2013 02:03 micronesia wrote: I did a little looking into this finally... any idea how to learn this? This software starts at 1000 dollars! Yes. First of all, most universities should have licenses freely available to students. If they don't simply contact NI and they'll work with you. Most schools don't have any class that teaches labview, and it's something they may use only to be able to use a piece of hardware to control it or grab data off of it. Usually a grad student will learn just enough of it to write some type of procedure, and people will try to follow it. No one will have any idea what they are doing and it can be frustrating. However, if you want to learn it in an academic environment, I suggest using it to simplify your final project. Once you've used it to do a big project, you can then pretty easily get the first level of certification and then ask NI if there are any local companies looking for a physics student who is certified in labview. The second way to go about learning it is in a hobby environment. You can get a full labview license for personal use plus an arduino for $49. That's like getting labview for $20. https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11225 I believe you have access to free online training once you have a labview license to help train you. There are three levels of training, basic, medium, and advanced. This used to be relatively expensive to get a hold of, but now it comes with the license. edit: oh yeah, you can get a fully functioning version for 30 days free trial. 1 free trial per machine (unless you re-image it) | ||
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farvacola
United States18820 Posts
On March 10 2013 05:26 micronesia wrote: I was just reading through the material covered on that exam... not much of it was covered in my physics degree. How would someone go about passing this test without training? A tremendous amount of self-study? I've heard the exam to become a CPA is not easy; I think a cousin of mine took it several times before he passed (this was many years ago, though). Well I'm not the best authority on test taking, so you may be right. I'm not suggesting that physics degrees confer much knowledge in regards to accounting, rather that they look good in the eyes of employers one might not think of. An individual is still going to need to be rather resourceful and inherently bright to make divergent paths meet in such a way. | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On March 10 2013 05:38 farvacola wrote: Well I'm not the best authority on test taking, so you may be right. I'm not suggesting that physics degrees confer much knowledge in regards to accounting, rather that they look good in the eyes of employers one might not think of. An individual is still going to need to be rather resourceful and inherently bright to make divergent paths meet in such a way. Isn't this an accountancy test? | ||
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farvacola
United States18820 Posts
Yes, 'twas in response to Micronesia's inquiry in regards to how one with a physics background might get into finance. My only point is that employers look favorably on degrees like physics, even in unrelated fields like finance. Now whether or not a holder of a physics degree is actually good at accounting or the like is another question entirely. | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
Personally I want to look into defence and weapon systems. | ||
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PassionFruit
294 Posts
When you're in school it's about the degree, GPA, and internships. But once you've been out for a while, your relevant work experience is more important than your degree and GPA. And if you extend the time far enough, the latter almost becomes nonexistent in comparison to the former. Also CPA =/= finance. CFA is for finance. But a masters would probably serve you better given the long period you've been a teacher (I assume). You could also try to become an actuary with the P exams. But it really depends on what you want to do, then tailoring your experience/exams to show you're a valuable prospect to interested employers. | ||
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dongmydrum
United States139 Posts
On the other hand, if you want some type of research or highly technical jobs, I suggest you go to grad school | ||
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micronesia
United States24637 Posts
On March 10 2013 13:09 dongmydrum wrote: Don't limit yourself by asking "what can a physics degree undergrad can do." you can do pretty much anything if you can sell yourself. Most job listings specifically have requirements that you will not meet unless you do other things in addition to having a degree in physics. It's certainly worth deciding which of these jobs you are interested in and then trying to meet those requirements through self study, additional coursework, internships, or whatever else, but that's not really the point of the discussion. The point is, are there jobs you can get without having to meet other major requirements? If no, then ok, but the world is very dishonest about this fact which is rather damaging to young physics hopefuls. If yes, then I'm trying to find them, and having great difficulty. On the other hand, if you want some type of research or highly technical jobs, I suggest you go to grad school Serious research seems to go hand in hand with a phd. Highly technical jobs, from what I've seen, can be prepared for by getting a relevant MS. Correct me if I'm wrong here. | ||
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Burrfoot
United States1176 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
On March 10 2013 02:05 micronesia wrote: I look forward to the interview question: so how did you learn LabView? XD Well, this probably doesn't help but I'm finishing up my engineering undergrad and we use LabView a bit, but we have student licenses provided. Also, if you want to use LabView the point is interfacing with test equipment and stuff which isn't cheap at all either unfortunately. | ||
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